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Basic flathead tips and tricks
Mitchell Fredericks  |  First Published: December 2013

When spring arrives, one of my favourite species of fish starts hunting for food and getting ready to spawn. Yes, I’m talking about flathead.

There are actually over 30 species of flathead in Australia, but only 15 are caught by anglers. The most common are dusky flathead, sand flathead and bar-tailed flathead, which can be caught right around Australia in rivers and estuaries, and even on the reefs.

These ambush predators are a bottom dwellers, which means they both live and eat off the bottom. When on the bottom, flathead bury themselves just far enough under the sand so no prey can see. When a prey item such as a whiting cruises past or even over the flathead, the flathead shoots out and grabs it before settling itself back on the bottom as it swallows its food.

Flathead are a lazy fish, only moving on tide changes and to find food. If you come across a flathead mark (the shape a flathead leaves behind in the sand, also called a ‘lay’), try throwing lures 15m around the mark. When I’ve done this I’ve often caught the flathead that left the mark, judging by the fish’s size.

In spring, flathead often hang together in small groups consisting of around four or so males and one big female. A lot of customers ask me (I work at Davo’s in Noosaville), “Why am I only catching little flathead in one spot?”

My answer is this: If you’re getting little fellas, there is most likely a big female lying a few metres away. Put on a bigger lure or bait – ‘big lure and bait equals big fish’, as they say – and luck might just come your way.

LIKELY LOCATIONS
Flathead like to live and feed on shallow sand flats because a lot of prey swims by, such as whiting, mullet, herring and even garfish.

Another well-known flathead haunt is on mud flats. These fish camouflage very well with the mud, making them practically invisible. It’s the perfect place for them to launch surprise attacks on the resident mullet and gar.

I also like to throw lures and baits off sand and mud banks, as the flathead like to sit on the edge waiting for the bait to drift past, and also to stay out of the fast-flowing water.

If you’re struggling to get them off the flats, try something different such as flicking and drifting baits in small and big eddies. Eddies hold no current, which mean the flathead don’t have to use much energy to stay in one spot.

If you want a good chance to get a few flathead, fish on the run-out tide and the change of the tide. At these times the baitfish get washed down from upriver, giving the flathead an easy meal. Flatties also like to sunbathe in the shallow water and warm themselves.

Through the last weeks of winter, flathead feed a lot more to prepare for their breeding season in the spring. When flathead fishing you’ll notice that you’ll start to get slightly larger ones, hopefully one over 75cm, as they feed up.

When spring arrives you’ll catch many more bigger ones. Female flathead grow significantly larger than males do, so if you catch a large fish in spring you’ll know it’s a big girl with a belly full of eggs. To release her, keep her horizontal, gently supporting her belly while you remove the hook, and she’ll go back healthy to contribute to the next generation. Some of these big females can reach over 1m in length and weigh over 7kg. Now that’s a huge fish!

Techniques
Flathead aren’t an aggressive feeders so longer the lure or bait is in the strike zone for the better. That’s unless you’re drifting, as it looks natural.

When using soft plastics make sure you let your lure hit the bottom before you start the retrieve. A flathead won’t discard its camouflaged ambush point on the bottom to come up 1-2m to have a closer look at your plastic swimming by.

After your soft plastic hits the bottom, do a double twitch with the rod tip and let the plastic sink back to the bottom for five seconds. Continue that technique back to the boat. You will find that the flathead will swim after your plastic and then, when you have paused it, they’ll grab it and sit on the bottom. Sometimes you won’t even realise this has happened until you wind up the slack.

If you have no success with that retrieve, try a slow roll with a paddle-tail, with no pauses. If you’re using a jerkshad, try a slow lift up and let it sink back, continuing that retrieve back to the boat.

If none of those techniques are working, there are several reasons why that could be. There could be no flathead in the area, or you’re fishing the wrong spot at the wrong time and tide and they’re not hungry.

When trolling for flathead, it’s all about speed. These are lazy fish, so the speed to be travelling when trolling for them is 3-5 knots, with a couple of twitches every 30 seconds or even a minute. The best lures to use are hardbodies that dive from 1.5-3m, such as gold Bombers.

LURE CHOICES
When using plastics I tend to use a reasonable sized ones, starting from 65mm right the way through to 140mm. I have found that 140mm and 100mm Squidgy Wrigglers work well for bigger flathead, as these are larger plastics and have a long curly tail which will get the flathead’s attention and annoy them, resulting in a hook-up.

Another plastic that works well for me is the 4” Z-man SwimmerZ in pearl white colour. You will get all sizes of flathead on them as the SwimmerZ aren’t too big or too small and have a great tail action.

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If you’re finding the flathead won’t take big baits, try the 3” Z-man MinnowZ in redbone. It glows underwater and looks natural, also it’s a perfect bait size to a herring, whiting and a poddy mullet. This plastic also works on a day if the flathead are being fussy on what they eat.

However, my all-time favourite soft plastic would have to be the Gladiator Smash Bait Prawn 8.5cm in gold fleck. It looks just like a prawn, and as anglers we all know that every fish eats a well-presented prawn.

When it comes to jigheads, I prefer TTs Headlocks and standard TTs jigheads as they are a strong jighead, built on a strong Gamakatsu hook. I use a weight ranging from 1/8oz right the way to 3/8oz with a 2/0 and a 4/0 hook, as I like my lure to get to the bottom quicker and keep it in the strike zone longer.

If you find the soft plastics aren’t working, try a soft vibe lure like a Jackall Transam 95mm in 13g. It closely imitates a fish when worked in the water correctly. The best way is to slow roll or give it one or two gentle hops off the bottom and let it sink back down.

GEAR CHOICES
Because flathead love big plastics and hardbodied lures, I use a 2-4kg rod with a 2500 size spin reel when I’m fishing my home waters around the Sunshine Coast. Down in NSW people tend to use a 3000 or even a 4000 spin reel matched with a 6-8kg rod, as the flathead are a lot bigger down there.

When it comes to braid selection, I go for the expensive stuff. It’s much thinner, more durable and has better knot strength. My picks are Daiwa Saltiga Surf 15lb or Sunline Super PE 15lb, as both are super tough, super thin and super abrasion resistant when nicked or frayed. Those two types of braids are all PE which means they have a very thin diameter and cast amazingly well and never fray.

With these thin diameter braids, you can run as low as a 6lb or even a 4lb leader, but for flathead I tend to run a rod length of 12lb right the way through to 25lb. My leaders of choice are Sunline FC Rock Fluorocarbon leader and Icon Fluorocarbon leader.

TOP SPOTS
The top places to fish here on the Sunshine Coast for flathead would have to be the Noosa River and the Maroochydore River. These two rivers have great structure, banks and well created drop-offs which the flathead adore. These rivers also have great tidal flow which means more bait gets washed in, attracting large numbers of predatory fish.

I hope my article will help you land some quality flathead for the dinner table, as these are beautiful fish to eat crumbed or battered.

If you have any further questions about flathead, feel free to come in and have a chat to me and the boys at Davo’s Complete Angler Noosaville.

Tight lines and bent spines.


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Reply #2 - Jan 6th, 2018 at 5:15pm
 
Flathead for my money are the second most tastiest fish in the ocean, king george whiting being the best.
They are a hard fish to target and usually come along as a bonus when fishing for other stuff for me.
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Reply #3 - Jan 6th, 2018 at 5:33pm
 
I agree with all the technical stuff in the article. One or two bits I didn't know because I don't use those techniques much or well.

I disagree with the bit about garfish though. You can not use river gar for bait nothing will touch them, while in the article it sounded good I doubt that it happens. Maybe in some other areas. Sea Gar is an excellent bait but it is different.
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Reply #4 - Jan 6th, 2018 at 5:36pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Jan 6th, 2018 at 5:15pm:
Flathead for my money are the second most tastiest fish in the ocean, king george whiting being the best.
They are a hard fish to target and usually come along as a bonus when fishing for other stuff for me.


If you fish the type of areas listed in the article they are one of the easiest fish to target and you may pickup some others as a bonus. Whiting bream flounder. The big breeding females should always go back.
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Reply #5 - Jan 6th, 2018 at 5:44pm
 
When we lived up on the mid north coast we used to regularly go fishing in the local estuary.  It was full of Bream and Flathead.

I used to throw the Bream back (too many bones for me) and feast on the Flathead tails that were abundant.    Great eating.
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Reply #6 - Jan 6th, 2018 at 6:08pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 6th, 2018 at 5:36pm:
Johnnie wrote on Jan 6th, 2018 at 5:15pm:
Flathead for my money are the second most tastiest fish in the ocean, king george whiting being the best.
They are a hard fish to target and usually come along as a bonus when fishing for other stuff for me.


If you fish the type of areas listed in the article they are one of the easiest fish to target and you may pickup some others as a bonus. Whiting bream flounder. The big breeding females should always go back.

Trouble is that if i spend time targeting them and they are not on the bite then i may miss out on a bag limit of squid, fishing is not always clear cut, it takes skill, observation, data, an echo sounder and good luck to even get a catch to pay for the petrol, unless you have a beach near by not fished out.
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Reply #7 - Jan 6th, 2018 at 7:24pm
 
Another fact worth knowing that wasn't in the article is that in cooler months the Flathead will move towards the back of the system like a lake etc. Towards the warmer waters. Same rules shallow mudflats on the rising tide and just off the drop off on the retreating tide.

When I say shallow waters can be as low as 1 or 2 mtr deep over the bank.

One of the fun things with fishing shallow water is that the fish will occasionally leave the water as he smashes the bait.

Same with fishing for bream around shallow oyster leases or outcrops.



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Black Orchid wrote on Jan 6th, 2018 at 5:44pm:
When we lived up on the mid north coast we used to regularly go fishing in the local estuary.  It was full of Bream and Flathead.

I used to throw the Bream back (too many bones for me) and feast on the Flathead tails that were abundant.    Great eating.


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Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 6th, 2018 at 7:56pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Jan 6th, 2018 at 5:44pm:
When we lived up on the mid north coast we used to regularly go fishing in the local estuary.  It was full of Bream and Flathead.

I used to throw the Bream back (too many bones for me) and feast on the Flathead tails that were abundant.    Great eating.


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oh red will you drop me off some of the flathead you catch?...I love that good old flathead....dipped in beer batter and crunchy crisp


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cods wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 9:00am:
oh red will you drop me off some of the flathead you catch?...I love that good old flathead....dipped in beer batter and crunchy crisp


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Use to catch whoppa flathead of the pier at Point Henry, very tasty....... Cool

King George Whiting too.... Wink
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Ajax wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 9:13am:
Use to catch whoppa flathead of the pier at Point Henry, very tasty....... Cool

King George Whiting too.... Wink


Is that down near Geelong?
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Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 9:32am:
Ajax wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 9:13am:
Use to catch whoppa flathead of the pier at Point Henry, very tasty....... Cool

King George Whiting too.... Wink


Is that down near Geelong?


Yep on the pier owned by the Alcoa Aluminium smelter.

It's been closed to the public for a long time, cause some idiots threatened the security guard when he told them to stop drinking alcohol on the pier.
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Ajax wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 9:46am:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 9:32am:
Ajax wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 9:13am:
Use to catch whoppa flathead of the pier at Point Henry, very tasty....... Cool

King George Whiting too.... Wink


Is that down near Geelong?


Yep on the pier owned by the Alcoa Aluminium smelter.

It's been closed to the public for a long time, cause some idiots threatened the security guard when he told them to stop drinking alcohol on the pier.


I am just having a week down at Batemans Bay on NSW South Coast!

The trouble is the place is like little Canberra at this time of year!

Maybe one like this will want to commit suicide
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http://www.fishingworld.com.au/news/lake-macquarie-s-first-recaptured-trophy-fla...


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Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 9:50am:
Ajax wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 9:46am:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 9:32am:
Ajax wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 9:13am:
Use to catch whoppa flathead of the pier at Point Henry, very tasty....... Cool

King George Whiting too.... Wink


Is that down near Geelong?


Yep on the pier owned by the Alcoa Aluminium smelter.

It's been closed to the public for a long time, cause some idiots threatened the security guard when he told them to stop drinking alcohol on the pier.


I am just having a week down at Batemans Bay on NSW South Coast!

The trouble is the place is like little Canberra at this time of year!

Maybe one like this will want to commit suicide
http://yaffa-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/yaffadsp/images/dspArticle/featureImage/big-fl...




LOL you don't need to catch too many there....!!

Never seen a flathead that big before....FFS

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https://www.batemansbayfishing.com.au/
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Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 9:50am:
Ajax wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 9:46am:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 9:32am:
Ajax wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 9:13am:
Use to catch whoppa flathead of the pier at Point Henry, very tasty....... Cool

King George Whiting too.... Wink


Is that down near Geelong?


Yep on the pier owned by the Alcoa Aluminium smelter.

It's been closed to the public for a long time, cause some idiots threatened the security guard when he told them to stop drinking alcohol on the pier.


I am just having a week down at Batemans Bay on NSW South Coast!

The trouble is the place is like little Canberra at this time of year!

Maybe one like this will want to commit suicide
http://yaffa-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/yaffadsp/images/dspArticle/featureImage/big-fl...

http://www.fishingworld.com.au/news/lake-macquarie-s-first-recaptured-trophy-fla...




Wow that's a monster whats in the water FFS....???
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When I said whoppas at Point Henry I was talking about 12 to 15 inches nothing like those specimens.
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Are those monster flatties good eating?

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Had fun this morning,  took the SUP out and it was ultra low tide and was cruising over sandbanks for ages. Saw 100s of whiting and was thinking a handspear on the paddleboard could get me a big bag of whiting.
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Gordon wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 10:02am:
Had fun this morning,  took the SUP out and it was ultra low tide and was cruising over sandbanks for ages. Saw 100s of whiting and was thinking a handspear on the paddleboard could get me a big bag of whiting.


Throw a small net bound to get one or two job done, time to eat.
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Gordon wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 9:59am:
Are those monster flatties good eating?



I doubt it,

that one in my photo was tagged and released in 28 November 2017 in Lake Macquarie (Newcastle) he was re-caught on 31st November and released again after photos taken.


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Reply #23 - Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:38pm
 
I've been getting Silver Perch right down towards Windsor in the Nepean Redmond. I know they have been up river around Camden for years but now they are in the whole freshwater part of the Hawkesbury/Nepean system. Feral in the system but welcome. All 1-2 kgs.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:38pm:
I've been getting Silver Perch right down towards Windsor in the Nepean Redmond. I know they have been up river around Camden for years but now they are in the whole freshwater part of the Hawkesbury/Nepean system. Feral in the system but welcome. All 1-2 kgs.


I dont know much about Perch (Silver or otherwise if there is more than one type)

As a boy I was brought up on a farm in the Hunter Valley and remember we used to catch a type of perch but dont know if they were the same, those and the old freshwater mullet.
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Reply #25 - Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:47pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:43pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:38pm:
I've been getting Silver Perch right down towards Windsor in the Nepean Redmond. I know they have been up river around Camden for years but now they are in the whole freshwater part of the Hawkesbury/Nepean system. Feral in the system but welcome. All 1-2 kgs.


I dont know much about Perch (Silver or otherwise if there is more than one type)

As a boy I was brought up on a farm in the Hunter Valley and remember we used to catch a type of perch but dont know if they were the same, those and the old freshwater mullet.

They'd be Estuary Perch and Australian Bass Redmond. Silver Perch are found in the rivers on the other side of the divide along with Murray Cod and Golden Perch. They shouldn't be in the Nepean. Fun to catch though. I love both freshwater and saltwater fishing. I've been doing it since a little kid and it never gets boring to me.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:47pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:43pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:38pm:
I've been getting Silver Perch right down towards Windsor in the Nepean Redmond. I know they have been up river around Camden for years but now they are in the whole freshwater part of the Hawkesbury/Nepean system. Feral in the system but welcome. All 1-2 kgs.


I dont know much about Perch (Silver or otherwise if there is more than one type)

As a boy I was brought up on a farm in the Hunter Valley and remember we used to catch a type of perch but dont know if they were the same, those and the old freshwater mullet.

They'd be Estuary Perch and Australian Bass Redmond. Silver Perch are found in the rivers on the other side of the divide along with Murray Cod and Golden Perch. They shouldn't be in the Nepean. Fun to catch though. I love both freshwater and saltwater fishing. I've been doing it since a little kid and it never gets boring to me.


A great hobby my old dad did it until he was nearly eighty

anyway enjoy it Hammer and all the best!
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Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:53pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:47pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:43pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 1:38pm:
I've been getting Silver Perch right down towards Windsor in the Nepean Redmond. I know they have been up river around Camden for years but now they are in the whole freshwater part of the Hawkesbury/Nepean system. Feral in the system but welcome. All 1-2 kgs.


I dont know much about Perch (Silver or otherwise if there is more than one type)

As a boy I was brought up on a farm in the Hunter Valley and remember we used to catch a type of perch but dont know if they were the same, those and the old freshwater mullet.

They'd be Estuary Perch and Australian Bass Redmond. Silver Perch are found in the rivers on the other side of the divide along with Murray Cod and Golden Perch. They shouldn't be in the Nepean. Fun to catch though. I love both freshwater and saltwater fishing. I've been doing it since a little kid and it never gets boring to me.


A great hobby my old dad did it until he was nearly eighty

anyway enjoy it Hammer and all the best!

Tight lines. Try garlic spray on your lures and plastics. You can buy it at the tackle shop. Cheers.
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The estuary flathead probably taste like mud after sea flathead.
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I shouldn't but I will.

Flathead. Best caught 'spearfishing' or 'snorkling'.
Why 'skim the surface' when you can get
DEEP DOWN
and totally
CHILLED OUT.

Get down even deeper and you get
NARKED OFF YOUR TITTIES!
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Anyway, I snorkel/spear around where I live often.
I can actually come up to a Flathead, gently/slowly slide my hand under them and lift them. Sometimes they shoot off, most times they stay for about a minute at most.
In this period, place the other hand 'cupped' over their front/head ...stay away from all their nasty spines. If really lucky, they open their mouth enough to get a better grip in. They will wiggle and waggle, but just hang on firmly for a bit and they will cease and ...into the bag they go! Unharmed and unspoiled!!  Cool

Where I do this - a young fella caught an Australian record Tailor a month n' abit ago.
Where I do this - heaps of large Mullet go a belly slappin after baitfish.

Few days ago, took the young neighbour out for a spearfish. We mostly aimed for looking at a wreck, so I just bothered with a hand-spear. Anyway, besides finding two 'old coins'. I chanced upon about 20 large/big fish in a gutter. At first I thought it was schooling shark (Svengali came to mind  Tongue) because of their tails and behaviour. Then I realised it was Jewfish - BIG JEWFISH!! Shocked
Because of the way I approach things, they weren't scared off and I knew I had time to bring the young fella over to make the hit with his gun.
BANG!
He hit behind the head (good) but to the side from above (not good) and once he got it to the surface I knew it would rip itself off before...
...too late!  Sad
1m long BIG JEWFISH (aka Dinner!) got away.  Cry
Superstition has it though that its good luck for the 'first' Big fish to get away and it was the young fella's first big one.

Alas, I was made so hungry by the sight of that delicious Jewy, that I headed for the Fish n' Chips once back to shore and ute.

Alas, like most 'Fish n Chip' shops along the NSW coast - they don't really put the type of fish on their boards because 'ironically' - they are selling BASA (SE-Asian Catfish), now under 'other names' to hide the fact.
Yep - here I am just off the beach, eating an 'imported catfish', in a Coastal town, just after losing a JEWFISH.
*sigh  Sad
They even over-cooked the chips!
Basa is cheaply bought but sold at a price like any other type of better quality fish. Sums up most Asian made products when sold in Australia to undercut Australian made products.  Roll Eyes Stupid Effin Govts!  Angry
Maybe plain gutless too!? Huh

Flathead? Meh ...over-rated for taste and its a bit of a peck through all those bones.
The Fishing Scene only go on and harp about how good Flathead & Snapper is because it's mostly what they catch ...by Line/Boat (up there on the surface).
My mate a few days even earlier caught a good batch of fish spearing, but alas - the local Great White came along and stole his catch (dragged him 20m before he unhooked).
Even spearing has it's disadvantages to surface Fishing.  Grin

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Yes spear fishing is the way to go for flathead, they think they are camouflaged under the sand but that big flat head stands out if you look closely, and is a good target, no wasted flesh with a head shot.
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Jasin wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 2:16pm:
I shouldn't but I will.

Flathead. Best caught 'spearfishing' or 'snorkling'.
Why 'skim the surface' when you can get
DEEP DOWN
and totally
CHILLED OUT.

Get down even deeper and you get
NARKED OFF YOUR TITTIES!
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Anyway, I snorkel/spear around where I live often.
I can actually come up to a Flathead, gently/slowly slide my hand under them and lift them. Sometimes they shoot off, most times they stay for about a minute at most.
In this period, place the other hand 'cupped' over their front/head ...stay away from all their nasty spines. If really lucky, they open their mouth enough to get a better grip in. They will wiggle and waggle, but just hang on firmly for a bit and they will cease and ...into the bag they go! Unharmed and unspoiled!!  Cool

Where I do this - a young fella caught an Australian record Tailor a month n' abit ago.
Where I do this - heaps of large Mullet go a belly slappin after baitfish.

Few days ago, took the young neighbour out for a spearfish. We mostly aimed for looking at a wreck, so I just bothered with a hand-spear. Anyway, besides finding two 'old coins'. I chanced upon about 20 large/big fish in a gutter. At first I thought it was schooling shark (Svengali came to mind  Tongue) because of their tails and behaviour. Then I realised it was Jewfish - BIG JEWFISH!! Shocked
Because of the way I approach things, they weren't scared off and I knew I had time to bring the young fella over to make the hit with his gun.
BANG!
He hit behind the head (good) but to the side from above (not good) and once he got it to the surface I knew it would rip itself off before...
...too late!  Sad
1m long BIG JEWFISH (aka Dinner!) got away.  Cry
Superstition has it though that its good luck for the 'first' Big fish to get away and it was the young fella's first big one.

Alas, I was made so hungry by the sight of that delicious Jewy, that I headed for the Fish n' Chips once back to shore and ute.

Alas, like most 'Fish n Chip' shops along the NSW coast - they don't really put the type of fish on their boards because 'ironically' - they are selling BASA (SE-Asian Catfish), now under 'other names' to hide the fact.
Yep - here I am just off the beach, eating an 'imported catfish', in a Coastal town, just after losing a JEWFISH.
*sigh  Sad
They even over-cooked the chips!
Basa is cheaply bought but sold at a price like any other type of better quality fish. Sums up most Asian made products when sold in Australia to undercut Australian made products.  Roll Eyes Stupid Effin Govts!  Angry
Maybe plain gutless too!? Huh

Flathead? Meh ...over-rated for taste and its a bit of a peck through all those bones.
The Fishing Scene only go on and harp about how good Flathead & Snapper is because it's mostly what they catch ...by Line/Boat (up there on the surface).
My mate a few days even earlier caught a good batch of fish spearing, but alas - the local Great White came along and stole his catch (dragged him 20m before he unhooked).
Even spearing has it's disadvantages to surface Fishing.  Grin

Ok. You may all resume your positions of rotting in hell as a bunch of pussy-whipped males to those female members from that PA Forum that come here to cause trouble and get people banned for looking at their tits that they wobble around in front of everyone.

I'm always interested in what you have to say Jasin.
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Jasin wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 2:16pm:
Ok. You may all resume your positions of rotting in hell as a bunch of pussy-whipped males to those female members from that PA Forum that come here to cause trouble and get people banned for looking at their tits that they wobble around in front of everyone.



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I find flathead best lightly fried in real butter with just a sprinkle of salt with a few drops of lemon juice, or deep fried in a thin beer batter, served with a lettuce leaf and chips, lettuce leaf and chips optional.
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Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 2:29pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 2:16pm:
Ok. You may all resume your positions of rotting in hell as a bunch of pussy-whipped males to those female members from that PA Forum that come here to cause trouble and get people banned for looking at their tits that they wobble around in front of everyone.



Please ban this twit for a month or two freediver!


How come we never hear you demanding that those who posted my name, my photo, my FaceBook page etc etc be permanently banned, Redneck.

Its ban this bloke, ban that bloke from you....never, ban Neferti, never, ban AiA, never, ban Super Nova.  Why is that Redneck?

Take care at Bateman's.  Its crawling with Aussies right now.
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Aussie wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 2:47pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 2:29pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 2:16pm:
Ok. You may all resume your positions of rotting in hell as a bunch of pussy-whipped males to those female members from that PA Forum that come here to cause trouble and get people banned for looking at their tits that they wobble around in front of everyone.



Please ban this twit for a month or two freediver!


How come we never hear you demanding that those who posted my name, my photo, my FaceBook page etc etc been permanently banned, Redneck.

Its ban this bloke, ban that bloke from you....never, ban Neferti, never, ban AiA, never, ban Super Nova.  Why is that Redneck?

Take care at Bateman's.  Its crawling with Aussies right now.


And in comes Aussie to destroy a perfectly good thread.
Here's a good way to destroy some flathead.

Yuck!!

https://www.sbs.com.au/food/recipes/malayali-fish-curry
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Flathead can be extremely frustrating to spear if they are familiar with spearos. I think they wait until after you pull the trigger to swim off. Other spots have massive flathead that just sit there and wait, or swim off when you nearly kick them and wait for you to come around and have a shot. You have to get them in the back of the head or they will break free.

Live baits work well. Never had any luck with lures.
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Black Orchid wrote on Jan 6th, 2018 at 5:44pm:
When we lived up on the mid north coast we used to regularly go fishing in the local estuary.  It was full of Bream and Flathead.

I used to throw the Bream back (too many bones for me) and feast on the Flathead tails that were abundant.    Great eating.


X2. Flathead ad is my favourite fish. Brushed with soy, lemon, and honey and grilled on the bbq or George Forman 😀
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Mistress Nicole wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 5:09pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Jan 6th, 2018 at 5:44pm:
When we lived up on the mid north coast we used to regularly go fishing in the local estuary.  It was full of Bream and Flathead.

I used to throw the Bream back (too many bones for me) and feast on the Flathead tails that were abundant.    Great eating.


X2. Flathead ad is my favourite fish. Brushed with soy, lemon, and honey and grilled on the bbq or George Forman 😀

How could you put soy on flathead, i cry sacrilege, perhaps a light sprinkle of white pepper, a good trick i found  is to coat in wholemeal flour and fry lightly for a crusty finish.
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Johnnie wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 5:19pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 5:09pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Jan 6th, 2018 at 5:44pm:
When we lived up on the mid north coast we used to regularly go fishing in the local estuary.  It was full of Bream and Flathead.

I used to throw the Bream back (too many bones for me) and feast on the Flathead tails that were abundant.    Great eating.


X2. Flathead ad is my favourite fish. Brushed with soy, lemon, and honey and grilled on the bbq or George Forman 😀

How could you put soy on flathead, i cry sacrilege, perhaps a light sprinkle of white pepper, a good trick i found  is to coat in wholemeal flour and fry lightly for a crusty finish.


My friend does that. I confess his fish is always good.

But at home I grill it. Mix lemon, soy and honey it works.

Trust me jeez,😀
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Mistress Nicole wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 5:22pm:
Johnnie wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 5:19pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 5:09pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Jan 6th, 2018 at 5:44pm:
When we lived up on the mid north coast we used to regularly go fishing in the local estuary.  It was full of Bream and Flathead.

I used to throw the Bream back (too many bones for me) and feast on the Flathead tails that were abundant.    Great eating.


X2. Flathead ad is my favourite fish. Brushed with soy, lemon, and honey and grilled on the bbq or George Forman 😀

How could you put soy on flathead, i cry sacrilege, perhaps a light sprinkle of white pepper, a good trick i found  is to coat in wholemeal flour and fry lightly for a crusty finish.


My friend does that. I confess his fish is always good.

But at home I grill it. Mix lemon, soy and honey it works.

Trust me jeez,😀

I wont be game to try it unless i pull a big haul enough to experiment with, even then i would be reluctant, soy is good on fried rice.
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Gordon wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 9:59am:
Are those monster flatties good eating?




They are breeding females and taste about 1/2 as good as a normal size fish.

They often have defects, parasites, barnacles with other imperfections and disorders..
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Gordon wrote on Jan 7th, 2018 at 9:59am:
Are those monster flatties good eating?



I doubt it,

that one in my photo was tagged and released in 28 November 2017 in Lake Macquarie (Newcastle) he was re-caught on 31st November and released again after photos taken.




that one in my photo was tagged and released in 28 November 2017 in Lake Macquarie (Newcastle) he
She
was re-caught on 31st November and released again after photos taken.
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Flathead? Meh ...over-rated for taste and its a bit of a peck through all those bones.



Fillet it correctly and there are no bones at all.
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I dive for old bottles. It's a hobby of mine. Quite often I see massive flathead and it amazes me how close into shore they are. I love seeing those metre long flathead. In Sydney Harbour there's a type of stingray that shocks you called a numbray. If you touch one it's a sensation you'll never forget. I've been zapped a bunch of times. The marine world is full of some interesting critters.
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Isn't that dangerous, getting zapped under water? You could end up unconscious.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 8th, 2018 at 8:01pm:
I dive for old bottles. It's a hobby of mine. Quite often I see massive flathead and it amazes me how close into shore they are. I love seeing those metre long flathead. In Sydney Harbour there's a type of stingray that shocks you called a numbray. If you touch one it's a sensation you'll never forget. I've been zapped a bunch of times. The marine world is full of some interesting critters.


Even way down the coast, old bottles still get found.
Hell, just a few years ago a good dive acquaintance and his mate found another 19 'wrecks' in/around Sydney harbour.
I even got to see the 'extra footage' of the Jap Sub that was not shown on the news.
...that wasn't you showing me that FD? Huh Huh Huh Huh
(If it was - do you remember me now? Grin)

NUMBRAYS! Ahhh - the bets on with me putting my hand under a Numbray and to be filmed.  Cheesy
Mates have been 'shocked' by them and they didn't enjoy the experience. A bit like holding onto an electric fence for as long as you can.  Grin

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[quote author=JaSin link=1515218315/29#29 date=1515298565]Ok. You may all resume your positions of rotting in hell as a bunch of pussy-whipped males to those female members from that PA Forum that come here to cause trouble and get people banned for looking at their tits that they wobble around in front of everyone.



Please ban this twit for a month or two freediver![/quote]


...seems
Red
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Tampon
is upset that he's just a 'peasant' that just sits in a boat on the surface with sand in his Vag! Obviously too scared to get his d*** wet!  Grin
But he is just a 'PA Sewer-rat' and prone to scream for anyone other than a PA Sewer-rat, to be banned.  Roll Eyes

I must try 'Soy' on my fish though. It does sound appealing.

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Ban the twit freediver !

Permanently would be nice!

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We use  stainless steel probes and stick them into the sand to find the old bottles Jasin. Over time the pre 1900 bottles sink really deep. One time I impaled a numbray accidently and got multiple shocks. My hand stuck to the probe for about 5 seconds. I got angry and catapulted him about 50 metres out into the channel. I had a headache for hours afterwards. The little rascals.
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Isn't that dangerous, getting zapped under water? You could end up unconscious.


Yes - very 'potentially' dangerous.
But rarely, if ever - happens.
It isn't as strong a 'ZAP' as what Electric Eels can do.
Those things can knock you off your feet!

Hey Hammer. Catch a PJ and you have yourself an instant 'scooter'!  Cheesy
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We use  stainless steel probes and stick them into the sand to find the old bottles Jasin. Over time the pre 1900 bottles sink really deep. One time I impaled a numbray accidently and got multiple shocks. My hand stuck to the probe for about 5 seconds. I got angry and catapulted him about 50 metres out into the channel. I had a headache for hours afterwards. The little rascals.

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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freediver wrote on Jan 8th, 2018 at 10:22pm:
Isn't that dangerous, getting zapped under water? You could end up unconscious.


Yes - very 'potentially' dangerous.
But rarely, if ever - happens.
It isn't as strong a 'ZAP' as what Electric Eels can do.
Those things can knock you off your feet!

Hey Hammer. Catch a PJ and you have yourself an instant 'scooter'!  Cheesy

PJ? Port Jackson Shark.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 6:13pm:
We use  stainless steel probes and stick them into the sand to find the old bottles Jasin. Over time the pre 1900 bottles sink really deep. One time I impaled a numbray accidently and got multiple shocks. My hand stuck to the probe for about 5 seconds. I got angry and catapulted him about 50 metres out into the channel. I had a headache for hours afterwards. The little rascals.

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
That's mad! Cool

We find stoneware ginger beer bottles from time to time. My mate stuck one in his wetsuit to hold him down because they are quite heavy. He had it in his wetsuit all day. When we were cleaning this bottle at home a blue ringed octopus popped out with 2 eggs. That was a shocker Jasin.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 6:19pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 6:16pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 6:13pm:
We use  stainless steel probes and stick them into the sand to find the old bottles Jasin. Over time the pre 1900 bottles sink really deep. One time I impaled a numbray accidently and got multiple shocks. My hand stuck to the probe for about 5 seconds. I got angry and catapulted him about 50 metres out into the channel. I had a headache for hours afterwards. The little rascals.

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
That's mad! Cool

We find stoneware ginger beer bottles from time to time. My mate stuck one in his wetsuit to hold him down because they are quite heavy. He had it in his wetsuit all day. When we were cleaning this bottle at home a blue ringed octopus popped out with 2 eggs. That was a shocker Jasin.


I know some divers with Pre-1900 bottles. Many are Pre-1950 at least.
Blue-Ring Occy!  Shocked Shocked Hell, how lucky is he the Occy didn't bite him. They can be very aggressive! I use a L-shaped rod to dig 'sinkers' out from under ledges because BR-Occys will 'dart out' at the rod for a bite. Never use 'fingers' to wiggle something out from under anything. Don't see many of them down the coast, mostly around 'polluted' Sydney, like from Cronulla to Manly.

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Re: Catching Flathead
Reply #57 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 6:29pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 6:17pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 6:15pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 8th, 2018 at 10:22pm:
Isn't that dangerous, getting zapped under water? You could end up unconscious.


Yes - very 'potentially' dangerous.
But rarely, if ever - happens.
It isn't as strong a 'ZAP' as what Electric Eels can do.
Those things can knock you off your feet!

Hey Hammer. Catch a PJ and you have yourself an instant 'scooter'!  Cheesy

PJ? Port Jackson Shark.


Yep!
They're quite docile. Catch for 'school' excursions - keep them in a pool on the beach for a little while for the kids to look and learn via 'experts' down from the Uni's & Zoo.
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Reply #58 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 7:23pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 6:26pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 6:19pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 6:16pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 9th, 2018 at 6:13pm:
We use  stainless steel probes and stick them into the sand to find the old bottles Jasin. Over time the pre 1900 bottles sink really deep. One time I impaled a numbray accidently and got multiple shocks. My hand stuck to the probe for about 5 seconds. I got angry and catapulted him about 50 metres out into the channel. I had a headache for hours afterwards. The little rascals.

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That's mad! Cool

We find stoneware ginger beer bottles from time to time. My mate stuck one in his wetsuit to hold him down because they are quite heavy. He had it in his wetsuit all day. When we were cleaning this bottle at home a blue ringed octopus popped out with 2 eggs. That was a shocker Jasin.


I know some divers with Pre-1900 bottles. Many are Pre-1950 at least.
Blue-Ring Occy!  Shocked Shocked Hell, how lucky is he the Occy didn't bite him. They can be very aggressive! I use a L-shaped rod to dig 'sinkers' out from under ledges because BR-Occys will 'dart out' at the rod for a bite. Never use 'fingers' to wiggle something out from under anything. Don't see many of them down the coast, mostly around 'polluted' Sydney, like from Cronulla to Manly.


They are right up  the harbour above Gladesville which is surprising Jasin.
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Reply #59 - Jan 9th, 2018 at 7:47pm
 
Interesting. Wouldn't think they would venture in that far.
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