TheFunPolice wrote on Feb 12^th, 2018 at 11:10pm:


So you think no warming at all?

TheFunPolice wrote on Feb 13^th, 2018 at 1:54pm:


Nothing. I posed a question.

So far you haven't said anything one way or the other.

Pho Huc wrote on Feb 14^th, 2018 at 2:52am:



Oh absolutely. Natural Variation. But for it to be Global the effects must be GLOBAL.

Pho Huc wrote on Feb 14^th, 2018 at 2:52am:



I'm sorry; where have I said that?


Pho Huc wrote on Feb 14^th, 2018 at 2:52am:



Now you have jumped the shark. Gone from warming to AGW with no step in between. That is a belief system. The High Church of AGW.

You must understand that current global temperatures are a supposition. There are large areas of the globe with NO data. What they have to do is smear it to cover a greater area.

Then of course there is the claim that going back years to 1880, where the data is more sporadic, they can extrapolate how warm it was to two decimal places, including the oceans.

Sorry. But that is so unbelievable it is not funny.

You haven't even tried to look at normal warming. What did you expect coming out of the LIA? The IPCC claim that at least 50% of the warming since the latter half of the 20th century is manmade. They actually haven't produced anything to show it, it is merely an assertion.

Still no date of photograph on your pictures. That must be frustrating for you.

"In 1844, at the height of the Little Ice Age—a minor glacial advance recorded worldwide—the glacier was 8 km long, reaching all the way to where Icefield Centre is now. Now the glacier is nearly 2 km shorter."
http://earthsciencescanada.com/geovista/PDFs_en/vistas8_agci.pdf

Damn, the LIA was worldwide and it has lost about 2km in 170 years of recovery of temperatures.

lee wrote on Feb 14^th, 2018 at 12:11pm:


Riddle me this. Why is the planet warming 10 times faster than at any point in the last 60 odd million years? whats your explanation for this anomaly?

Pho Huc wrote on Feb 15^th, 2018 at 12:44am:



Have you got a reference for that? A peer-reviewed paper?



Perhaps you prefer the Marcott reconstruction.

Marcott interview -

"Our global paleotemperature reconstruction includes a so-called “uptick” in temperatures during the 20th-century. However, in the paper we make the point that this particular feature is of shorter duration than the inherent smoothing in our statistical averaging procedure, and that it is based on only a few available paleo-reconstructions of the type we used. Thus, the 20th century portion of our paleotemperature stack is not statistically robust, cannot be considered representative of global temperature changes, and therefore is not the basis of any of our conclusions."

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/03/response-by-marcott-et-al/
"The Greenland records show that climate changes have been very large, rapid, and widespread. Coolings were achieved in a series of steep ramps or steps and warmings in single steps."

"In Antarctica the Byrd core from West Antarctica, and probably the Vostok and some other cores from East Antarctica, show events that are correlative to the larger millennial events of Greenland, including the Younger Dryas (6, 31). Byrd and Vostok also contain indications of events that may be correlative to nearly all of the Greenland events (31). "

http://www.pnas.org/content/97/4/1331.full

The town of Sion has grown from 3,000 in 1850, to 35,000 in 2016. Perhaps urban heat DOES have something to do with it.

My point is that in Antartica, there are places where it has never ever gotten over 0 degrees. The ice in that region is called permafrost. It would takes years of tropic temperatures for this ice to melt.

Not so much for areas like Europe. Even in places of high altitude, snow and ice can melt in an unusually warm season of summer. And if you really want to say that it is a warmer recent climate that is causing the retreating glaciers, then you really are contradicting your point about glaciers not melting.

It looks like these are photographs of two different seasons in a single place. One of summer and one of winter. The purpose of these photos is nothing more than for propaganda in the "global waffle" chicken little's war.

The number of times I see Christmas footage of New York and the 4th of July footage of New York. It's either "global warming" or "not global warming". People are just too soft towards seasonal change.