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Reply #195 - Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 10:38pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 10:19pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 9:12pm:

No worries. Kindly name the grand aggregate of ALL Muslim countries and their Western colonial equivalent - by kill.

Cheers.

Remove whatever is in your mouth, Kameeeeeel, and be precise about what you are asking. This is NOT a public toilet where any dick might do you. "the grand aggregate of ALL Muslim countries and their Western colonial equivalent" makes no sense. 'Muslim countries' ('countries', for that matter) are a recent inventions. In the meantime, I can tell you that Muslim conquests of India, for example, have been up there with the bloodiest. The whole Sikh wheeze was in response to the Muslim onslaught. The way Muslims disposed of the Armenians also gives you a glimpse into Islamic 'toleration' of diversity.

Suck on that, between cubicles, Kameeeeeel.

I most certainly will not. FD's beef with G is over that utilitarian phenomenon known as a number.

G has posted things called figures. FD tried the old no speaka da English ruse for a few pages, but you speak Danish so we know you can keep up.

Try reading the numerals, old boy. Do you take any issue with G's maths?

Your remain as cryptic and vague and and obscure as you have always been. Talking straight and being clear is just not something you can do with your mouth constantly full with a load of cock and bull, miam-miaming, yes?

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Reply #196 - Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 10:40pm

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freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 10:14pm:

The Muslims created the largest land empire that had ever existed in just over a century.

Oh, dear, here we go again. You still refuse to accept that the Mongol Empire was larger than the Muslim Empire, FD? Tsk, tsk. what is the point in trying to educate you if you refuse to learn? Roll Eyes

The Mongol empire covered most of the Eurasian landmass, it stretched from Eastern Europe to the Sea of Okst. From near the Barents Sea to the Persian Gulf.

The Muslim "Empire" (ie, of the First Caliphate) covered only the Arabian Peninsular and it's near surrounds.

Yes, yes, yes, you ARE at the head of the idiot queue, Bwian, we get it. No need to push in with such haste and stupidity.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98973	Re: Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy Reply #197 - Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 10:58pm What happened to the graphs, old boy? No more maths? We understand. Superior culture, innit. FD's moved on from death tallies to wealth creation. Beats chasing G around about unread links though, no?
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Reply #198 - Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 11:17pm

Frank wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 10:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 10:35pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 10:14pm:

The Muslims created the largest land empire that had ever existed in just over a century.

Oh, dear, here we go again. You still refuse to accept that the Mongol Empire was larger than the Muslim Empire, FD? Tsk, tsk. what is the point in trying to educate you if you refuse to learn? Roll Eyes

The Mongol empire covered most of the Eurasian landmass, it stretched from Eastern Europe to the Sea of Okst. From near the Barents Sea to the Persian Gulf.

The Muslim "Empire" (ie, of the First Caliphate) covered only the Arabian Peninsular and it's near surrounds.

Yes, yes, yes, you ARE at the head of the idiot queue, Bwian, we get it. No need to push in with such haste and stupidity.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Soren once more hops in with his ad hominem insults. Tsk, tsk, move along folks, move along. Nothing of interest here at all. Just Soren sounding off again when he can't marshal an argument, can't provide links to prove his points. Roll Eyes

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Reply #199 - Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 10:34am

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 7:07pm:

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Speaking of evasive, can you think of another period in history where so many people were killed by on

Given that you won't say how many, I wouldn't know where to begin. But "in the millions" is far from unique, especially for a period spanning centuries. Also, what period of time are you including? After all, we are still occupying Muslim lands, right?

The period of European colonialism - roughly mid/late 16th century to the end of the 19th century. Thats a good place to begin. I am quite confident that no other preceding period in history of raping and pillaging by one civilization of similar duration has caused even close to so many deaths - let alone devastation and upheaval of the lands they raped and pillaged. What do you think? Do you agree that the muslims wouldn't have come close to this (both deaths and destruction) during their entire 1400 years of conquering? Do you at least concede that diseases that struck non-Europeans as a result of the Europeans invading, raping and pillaging their lands - are deaths as a result of European imperialism?

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Reply #200 - Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 10:41am

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 10:14pm:

The Muslims created the largest land empire that had ever existed in just over a century. They did this by rape and pillage. Then they converted everyone to Islam. Rape was also a big part of that. Despite having the biggest empire that have ever existed, in what had been the wealthiest place on earth for 10000 years, they did not significantly improve living standards, which remained well short of those seen earlier in the same place and at the same time in China. Today, the land that had been the wealthiest for all of human civilisation up till Muhammad is now among the most backwards, poor and oppressive places on earth.

I blame Islam. You?

And yet the scale of raping and pillaging and slaughtering by Europeans in a few hundred years of colonial expansion far eclipsed 1400 years of muslim conquering - agreed?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #201 - Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 11:03am

Karnal wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 10:19pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 9:12pm:

No worries. Kindly name the grand aggregate of ALL Muslim countries and their Western colonial equivalent - by kill.

Cheers.

Remove whatever is in your mouth, Kameeeeeel, and be precise about what you are asking. This is NOT a public toilet where any dick might do you. "the grand aggregate of ALL Muslim countries and their Western colonial equivalent" makes no sense. 'Muslim countries' ('countries', for that matter) are a recent inventions. In the meantime, I can tell you that Muslim conquests of India, for example, have been up there with the bloodiest. The whole Sikh wheeze was in response to the Muslim onslaught. The way Muslims disposed of the Armenians also gives you a glimpse into Islamic 'toleration' of diversity.

Suck on that, between cubicles, Kameeeeeel.

I most certainly will not. FD's beef with G is over that utilitarian phenomenon known as a number.

G has posted things called figures. FD tried the old no speaka da English ruse for a few pages, but you speak Danish so we know you can keep up.

Try reading the numerals, old boy. Do you take any issue with G's maths?

8 million estimated native Indians in South America. 2-13 million in Congo. Thats just for starters. How many North American Indians were wiped out? Arguably the greatest genocide in all of history, complete with small pox blankets. Africa - probably the most ravaged continent by Europeans of all - the devastating effects of which are only to evident to this very day. Oh but FD will say the diseases the Europeans spread while raping and pillaging were not deliberately spread, so its all good. No moral responsibility. He'll probably also try on the "wheres the source Gandalf" ruse for these figures, and once again "forget" that he's read and even quoted the wikipedia quotes that I posted. He'll then continue on with the "oh there's no exact total, sorry can't discuss it" copout. Apparently oblivious to the fact that undeniably entire continents were violently overtaken, and entire populations ethnically cleansed, and often annihilated - unlike in any other time in history. It is simply self-evident that European colonialism was the most disruptive, violent and devastating period for the most number of people, in the smallest period of time, in all of history.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #202 - Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 12:08pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 11:03am:

Karnal wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 10:19pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 9:12pm:

No worries. Kindly name the grand aggregate of ALL Muslim countries and their Western colonial equivalent - by kill.

Cheers.

Remove whatever is in your mouth, Kameeeeeel, and be precise about what you are asking. This is NOT a public toilet where any dick might do you. "the grand aggregate of ALL Muslim countries and their Western colonial equivalent" makes no sense. 'Muslim countries' ('countries', for that matter) are a recent inventions. In the meantime, I can tell you that Muslim conquests of India, for example, have been up there with the bloodiest. The whole Sikh wheeze was in response to the Muslim onslaught. The way Muslims disposed of the Armenians also gives you a glimpse into Islamic 'toleration' of diversity.

Suck on that, between cubicles, Kameeeeeel.

I most certainly will not. FD's beef with G is over that utilitarian phenomenon known as a number.

G has posted things called figures. FD tried the old no speaka da English ruse for a few pages, but you speak Danish so we know you can keep up.

Try reading the numerals, old boy. Do you take any issue with G's maths?

8 million estimated native Indians in South America. 2-13 million in Congo. Thats just for starters. How many North American Indians were wiped out? Arguably the greatest genocide in all of history, complete with small pox blankets. Africa - probably the most ravaged continent by Europeans of all - the devastating effects of which are only to evident to this very day. Oh but FD will say the diseases the Europeans spread while raping and pillaging were not deliberately spread, so its all good. No moral responsibility. He'll probably also try on the "wheres the source Gandalf" ruse for these figures, and once again "forget" that he's read and even quoted the wikipedia quotes that I posted. He'll then continue on with the "oh there's no exact total, sorry can't discuss it" copout. Apparently oblivious to the fact that undeniably entire continents were violently overtaken, and entire populations ethnically cleansed, and often annihilated - unlike in any other time in history. It is simply self-evident that European colonialism was the most disruptive, violent and devastating period for the most number of people, in the smallest period of time, in all of history.

Well sure, but I don't buy the Smallpox blankets. Settlers had no idea of germ theory, and wouldn't be able to spread smallpox without getting it themselves.

And where would they even get the smallpox virus from?

In Australia, Aborigines in Sydney were wiped out by smallpox, not deliberately, but through contact with Europeans.

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Reply #203 - Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 12:13pm

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8 million estimated native Indians in South America. 2-13 million in Congo

More people have been killed in a single year Gandalf. Yet you struggle to match it from a 300 year period.

Also, didn't your link about the Congo say a lot of the deaths were caused by drought? Have you read it?

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Africa - probably the most ravaged continent by Europeans of all - the devastating effects of which are only to evident to this very day. Oh but FD will say the diseases the Europeans spread while raping and pillaging were not deliberately spread, so its all good

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Gandalf, Africa is not the new world. With the possible exception of sub saharan Africa, European diseases were already well established there. In fact, the role of disease was often reversed in Africa compared to the new world. There were a lot of tropical diseases preventing colonisation of central Africa.

As for rape and pillage, nothing comes close to Islam in using rape to spread an ideology.

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He'll then continue on with the "oh there's no exact total, sorry can't discuss it" copout.

I'm not asking for an exact number Gandalf. Would you agree that it was actually you 'copping out' by demanding I guess the numbers for you? Would you agree that saying one number is greater than another number, and asking people whether they agree with you, while refusing to say what either number is, is particularly stupid?

Is it also a cop-out when you include disease and weather among your causes, but throw a hissy fit when asked about it and refuse to answer simple questions? It's a simple question Gandalf. Are you including deaths caused by weather?

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Reply #204 - Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 1:12pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 10:41am:

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 10:14pm:

The Muslims created the largest land empire that had ever existed in just over a century. They did this by rape and pillage. Then they converted everyone to Islam. Rape was also a big part of that. Despite having the biggest empire that have ever existed, in what had been the wealthiest place on earth for 10000 years, they did not significantly improve living standards, which remained well short of those seen earlier in the same place and at the same time in China. Today, the land that had been the wealthiest for all of human civilisation up till Muhammad is now among the most backwards, poor and oppressive places on earth.

I blame Islam. You?

And yet the scale of raping and pillaging and slaughtering by Europeans in a few hundred years of colonial expansion far eclipsed 1400 years of muslim conquering - agreed?

so "muslim" conquering didnt involve any raping or pillaging or killing ...

only Christians do that apparently ...

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Reply #205 - Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 1:26pm

cods wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 1:12pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 10:41am:

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 10:14pm:

The Muslims created the largest land empire that had ever existed in just over a century. They did this by rape and pillage. Then they converted everyone to Islam. Rape was also a big part of that. Despite having the biggest empire that have ever existed, in what had been the wealthiest place on earth for 10000 years, they did not significantly improve living standards, which remained well short of those seen earlier in the same place and at the same time in China. Today, the land that had been the wealthiest for all of human civilisation up till Muhammad is now among the most backwards, poor and oppressive places on earth.

I blame Islam. You?

And yet the scale of raping and pillaging and slaughtering by Europeans in a few hundred years of colonial expansion far eclipsed 1400 years of muslim conquering - agreed?

so "muslim" conquering didnt involve any raping or pillaging or killing ...

only Christians do that apparently ...

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Good eye rolls, dear. Brian will agree with you for sure.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98973	Re: Ahmadis sentenced to death for blasphemy Reply #206 - Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 2:12pm FD, can you think of one (1) developing country Uncle has brought Freeeedom to? Cheers.
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Reply #207 - Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 2:26pm

freediver wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 12:13pm:

lso, didn't your link about the Congo say a lot of the deaths were caused by drought? Have you read it?

Does it FD? Lets see - go to the article and press ctrl-f and type in the word "drought". How many hits do you get? Never mind, I'll save you the trouble, we know you have an aversion to actually reading sources. Its zero, nada, zilch. Oh, and just for fun, why not do the same for "weather". Oh what the hell, lets try "climate". Can you guess how many hits there are?

But it makes me curious, where did you get that nonsense about drought?

And just think, you're the one asking me if I've read it.

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It is argued that the reduction in the Congo was atypical and can be attributed to the direct and indirect effects of colonial rule and especially to disease and falling birthrate

hmmm now where have I seen that quote before? Oh thats right, the time I posted it before, in this thread, which you ignored.

freediver wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 12:13pm:

Would you agree that it was actually you 'copping out' by demanding I guess the numbers for you? Would you agree that saying one number is greater than another number, and asking people whether they agree with you, while refusing to say what either number is, is particularly stupid?

I was actually inviting you to use your common sense. I kinda figured that the establishment of (by far) the largest programs of invasion and conquest and ethnic cleansing the world has ever seen - the first time that such a program had global reach, the first time in which entire continents were conquered and in many cases cleansed of natives - by the many millions - is self-evidently a level of slaughter and destruction not seen before in history. Also, the irony of you, on so many previous occasions refusing to cite evidence for your claims while hiding behind the most absurd "I defer to common sense" justifications - is not lost on me.

freediver wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 12:13pm:

s it also a cop-out when you include disease and weather among your causes

and you would of course be referring to the non-existent reference to weather in my Congo article yes?

FD, did you know I've cited 2 articles to demonstrate the level of carnage European imperialism inflicted? I feel I need to ask, since you have proven so clueless as to just about everything I have posted in this thread. Now to be fair I can't recall if the Latin American one mentions weather - but I can say that both articles cite evidence supporting the idea that the effects of colonialism caused, indirectly or directly, the death toll. I have highlighted these relevant parts of both articles - more than once. And yet still you insist I am including unrelated causes to the deaths.

Remember that point about you not listening to what people say that I keep banging on about?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #208 - Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 2:35pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 1:26pm:

cods wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 1:12pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 10:41am:

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2017 at 10:14pm:

The Muslims created the largest land empire that had ever existed in just over a century. They did this by rape and pillage. Then they converted everyone to Islam. Rape was also a big part of that. Despite having the biggest empire that have ever existed, in what had been the wealthiest place on earth for 10000 years, they did not significantly improve living standards, which remained well short of those seen earlier in the same place and at the same time in China. Today, the land that had been the wealthiest for all of human civilisation up till Muhammad is now among the most backwards, poor and oppressive places on earth.

I blame Islam. You?

And yet the scale of raping and pillaging and slaughtering by Europeans in a few hundred years of colonial expansion far eclipsed 1400 years of muslim conquering - agreed?

so "muslim" conquering didnt involve any raping or pillaging or killing ...

only Christians do that apparently ...

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Good eye rolls, dear. Brian will agree with you for sure.

oh dear, tsk tsk tsk rolls eyes

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Reply #209 - Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 2:45pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 2:26pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2017 at 12:13pm:

lso, didn't your link about the Congo say a lot of the deaths were caused by drought? Have you read it?

Does it FD? Lets see - go to the article and press ctrl-f and type in the word "drought". How many hits do you get? Never mind, I'll save you the trouble, we know you have an aversion to actually reading sources. Its zero, nada, zilch. Oh, and just for fun, why not do the same for "weather". Oh what the hell, lets try "climate". Can you guess how many hits there are?

But it makes me curious, where did you get that nonsense about drought?

And just think, you're the one asking me if I've read it.

from my link:

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It is argued that the reduction in the Congo was atypical and can be attributed to the direct and indirect effects of colonial rule and especially to disease and falling birthrate

Excuse me, G, are you suggesting here that FD has made up a complete porkie about your article?

And even worse, are you suggesting he hasn't even read it? These are serious allegations, G.

You'll need to respond to this, FD. If this is true, it completely undermines your credibility. There is, however, a way to retrieve it.

Provide a quote from G's article.

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