freediver wrote on Oct 6^th, 2017 at 11:56am:


My my we are petty today.

The answer is I don't know, and I don't care. But here you go, knock yourself out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surahs_in_the_Quran

Here's some more relevant stats for you:

there are 129 verses in chapter 9. There are in total 6236 verses in the Quran. If we just use number of verses as a measurement of length (not necessarily accurate but anyway), I make that about 2% of the Quran.

Do you agree that someone who has read little more than 2% of the Quran (I'm being generous), has about zero credibility when they lecture others about what the Quran is really about?

2% of the qur'an?

The fangs of the king cobra are probably only about .00001% of its' total length, yet that's the bit that kills you.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 6^th, 2017 at 6:04pm:


Your story keeps changing Gandalf. How far down the list is it? Did someone tell you it was one of the smaller chapters, or did you just make it up?

Were you lying about the Koran Gandalf? I can start a new thread if you think I am just trying to change the topic in this one.

freediver wrote on Oct 6^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:


no. Not like you when you declared there are "entire chapters [plural]" "dedicated" to killing the infidel. That was a real whopper wouldn't you agree? Or how about then one where you said there were multiple "historians [plural]" who asserted that the treaty with the Medinans was "imposed" by Muhammad - when in fact you just copied a citation of a single historian Bernard Lewis from wikipedia. Do you really want to go down that path again FD?

Or you can stick to the actual issue here - which is, again, do you think you have any sort of credibility lecturing me what the Quran is about - without having read about 98% of the Quran?

2% of the qur'an?


this site tells us in part:

Amount of Text Devoted to the Kafir

The Koran says that the Kafir may be deceived, plotted against, hated, enslaved, mocked, tortured and worse. The word is usually translated as “unbeliever” but this translation is wrong. The word “unbeliever” is logically and
emotionally neutral, whereas, Kafir is the most abusive, prejudiced and hateful word in any language.

Islam devotes a great amount of energy to the Kafir. The majority (64%) of the Koran is devoted to the Kafir, and nearly all of the Sira (81%) deals with Mohammed’s struggle with them. The Hadith (Traditions) devotes 32% of the text to Kafirs1. Overall, the Trilogy devotes 60% of its content to the Kafir.

Hadith 37%
Sira 81%
Koran 64%
Total 60%

Hatred for the sake of Allah and love for the sake of Allah is called Al Walaa wa al Baraa, a fundamental principle of Islamic ethics and Sharia. A Muslim is to hate what Allah hates and love what Allah loves. Allah hates the Kafir, therefore, a Muslim is to act accordingly.

FD sticking to the really important and relevant points here. What we see here is you simply giving up and retreating to your comfort zone (being petty and obnoxious)

Do you now concede it was the height of arrogance to lecture me on what the Quran is really about after reading just one chapter amounting to about 2% of the Quran? (google the word counts if you still don't believe me) Would you like to reassert the case for the "non-spiritual" Quran and back it up with your extensive knowledge of the Quran?

Notice how you are now avoiding this point now?

I look forward to further installments in FD's ongoing adventures of deflecting, ducking and weaving

freediver wrote on Oct 12^th, 2017 at 8:08pm:


Is it because people only quote half of verse 5?

Perhaps you could elaborate, FD.  We'll do a word count when you're done.