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No sir, 14 chooks per m2 is not free range
Jul 25th, 2017 at 2:03pm
 
One of WA’s biggest egg producers has been fined $750,000 for misleading customers by claiming its produce was free range when it was highly unlikely most of its chickens could move around outside.

A Federal Court judgment handed down in May last year found Snowdale Holdings breached consumer protection laws by making false or misleading representations that its eggs were free range.

Snowdale, which sold to retailers Coles and Woolworths, supplied eggs under brands including Eggs by Ellah, Swan Valley Free Range and Wanneroo Free Range.

Justice Antony Siopis fined the company this morning and ordered it to pay $300,000 in costs.

The action against Snowdale was taken by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission over conditions for its chickens between April 2011 and December 2013.

During a three-week trial in 2015, it was alleged some of Snowdale’s barns at Carabooda and in the Swan Valley held up to 18,000 chickens – or 14 animals a square metre – with only a few exits to outdoor ranges.

The company used advertising that included claims its eggs were “free range” and images of chickens in “grassy fields”.

The ACCC argued a significant amount of consumers would reasonably think the words free range meant something more than up to 18,000 hens in a barn with a few exits.

Justice Siopis ruled the ACCC had established most of the hens in relevant sheds did not move around freely on an open range on an ordinary day.
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Re: No sir, 14 chooks per m2 is not free range
Reply #1 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 2:04pm
 
Now could His Honour please turn his attention to all the chooks in cages?
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Re: No sir, 14 chooks per m2 is not free range
Reply #2 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 3:25pm
 
Disgusting...What are Coles and other companies going to do about it? If nothing stop buying there
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Reply #4 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 3:30pm
 
I had three chooks. They ranged through my large backyard. Beyootifool eggs, still dream of them. Never raised hens for meat—thought of all the plucking to be done, no thanks.
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Reply #5 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 3:51pm
 
red baron wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 3:25pm:
Disgusting...What are Coles and other companies going to do about it? If nothing stop buying there



mate its up to the consumer.. you and I...I have only bought one brand of eggs since forever.. in fact they may have been the first of the free range...

its the same with the chicken   their lives are miserable...

if we treat an animal  like this we are not allowed to have animals for about 10 years   

how come these egg farmers are not closed down????...its animal cruelty

we use grand statements now dont we..

this is about using FREE RANGE on its cartons.. not about those poor animals...god the more I read about WA the worse it gets.
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Reply #6 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 3:55pm
 
cods wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
mate its up to the consumer.


the consumer is entitled to believe that eggs labelled free range do in fact come from free range chickens.  Unless you expect consumers to visit the farms before they make a purchase?
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Reply #7 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 3:58pm
 
Freerange ?-I just always bought whatever fit my shopping budget- was only ever a scam-  they can do what they like to animals used for produce-  complete misery and despair - 
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Reply #8 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 4:08pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 3:30pm:
I had three chooks. They ranged through my large backyard. Beyootifool eggs, still dream of them. Never raised hens for meat—thought of all the plucking to be done, no thanks.

Demi plucked them for free remember and removed the gizzards as a free service-
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Reply #9 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 4:15pm
 
cods wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
mate its up to the consumer.. you and I...I have only bought one brand of eggs since forever.. in fact they may have been the first of the free range...


I only ever buy free range eggs and would like to think that it is strictly regulated enough so that they actually are what they claim to be ie free range.
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Reply #10 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 4:35pm
 
Im not sure its even possible to be a profitable, large scale egg producer.

Given that chickens will destroy any and all vegetation within their reach, a huge amount of land per head is required to raise them in any degree of comfort.

We (ie you) are used to eggs within a certain price range and its just not enough to support a large operation and the resources it requires.  Its all very well saying youll pay an extra dollar or 2 per carton, but its still not enough.  I think itd be more like an extra dollar per egg, and that price just isnt going to fly.
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Reply #11 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 5:15pm
 


Who here claims to know the thoughts of a chook?
Or are you anthropomorphizing.

I think I read a study where they measured the stress hormone levels in chooks and the caged birds had less stress.

You should start thinking about chooks the way I think about most humans.

Simple minded creatures without enough brain capacity to know the difference
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However the company that was cheating should be fined.
Free range eggs should cost about $15 per dozen
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miketrees wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 5:17pm:
However the company that was cheating should be fined.
Free range eggs should cost about $15 per dozen


They'll sell plenty at that price won't they.

I never buy 'free range' eggs. Easy to spot the scam. There seems to be more free range eggs in the supermarket than there are chooks in the country.

Had five chooks in our backyard 'till a fox got hungry.
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I never buy 'free range' eggs. Easy to spot the scam.


See Organic,,,,, same deal.
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Reply #15 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 8:08pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 3:30pm:
I had three chooks. They ranged through my large backyard. Beyootifool eggs, still dream of them. Never raised hens for meat—thought of all the plucking to be done, no thanks.


Don't pluck them then, skin them and use the meat.
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Setanta wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 8:08pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 3:30pm:
I had three chooks. They ranged through my large backyard. Beyootifool eggs, still dream of them. Never raised hens for meat—thought of all the plucking to be done, no thanks.


Don't pluck them then, skin them and use the meat.

  He will keep that in mind for next time- Demi ( his dog) chewed into the little wing dings- even the gizzards- cant trust those horrible creatures that aren't cats you know
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Reply #17 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 9:50pm
 
Agnes wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 9:45pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 8:08pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 3:30pm:
I had three chooks. They ranged through my large backyard. Beyootifool eggs, still dream of them. Never raised hens for meat—thought of all the plucking to be done, no thanks.


Don't pluck them then, skin them and use the meat.

  He will keep that in mind for next time- Demi ( his dog) chewed into the little wing dings- even the gizzards- cant trust those horrible creatures that aren't cats you know


I'm not a Muslim or a Jew, if they weren't too badly damaged they would have at least made chicken soup.
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Reply #18 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:23pm
 
I used to work in the Poultry Industry,
even as a Chicken Sexer for a short period before I was replaced for 'cheaper Asian Labour' brought in under the cover of 'Back-Packer Visas' (6 month rotation of workers from South Korea) - not that they actually stayed in Back Packer Hostels.  Roll Eyes

The problem with 'MASS PRODUCTION' poultry is that you really buy very poor quality produce. The only justification for 'mass production' is to feed over-populated nations.

Besides the poor conditions of the chickens, grain fed, dismal lighting, cramped conditions, etc.
The eggs themselves are 'fumigated' in Hatcheries with at least x5 bombardments of FORMALDEHYDE !!!

A large number of those eggs that hatch are genetically stuffed both physically and mentally - legs coming out of abdomens, eyes rolling around furiously, etc.

They also used to 'macerate' the unwanted chickens - live.
Now though, most places just 'gas' the chickens to 'forever-sleep'. Which is far better unless you are 'jewish'.

I even tried a 'Supermarket' pre-cooked cheap chicken last night and it went through me faster than a curry or chilli dish.

There was an American Company, that owns 90% of the Global Market, that came to Australia to finish the job and own 100% of the Global Market of 'Mass Production Poultry'.
They had already bought 'Inghams' - but with good warning  Wink, the other Australian Companies and Independents put up a good fight and pushed those American plans back a fair bit.

American's go about business via 'Destroy the Competition' rather than compete fairly. Take a hint from the America's Cup.  Tongue
Lucky Australia didn't sell 'Grain Corp'  or it would have been 'Grain Dead' in 3 years  Cry

I could say a lot more - but I gotta watch myself a bit here.
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Jasin wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:23pm:
I used to work in the Poultry Industry,
even as a Chicken Sexer for a short period before I was replaced for 'cheaper Asian Labour' brought in under the cover of 'Back-Packer Visas' (6 month rotation of workers from South Korea) - not that they actually stayed in Back Packer Hostels.  Roll Eyes

The problem with 'MASS PRODUCTION' poultry is that you really buy very poor quality produce. The only justification for 'mass production' is to feed over-populated nations.

Besides the poor conditions of the chickens, grain fed, dismal lighting, cramped conditions, etc.
The eggs themselves are 'fumigated' in Hatcheries with at least x5 bombardments of FORMALDEHYDE !!!

A large number of those eggs that hatch are genetically stuffed both physically and mentally - legs coming out of abdomens, eyes rolling around furiously, etc.

They also used to 'macerate' the unwanted chickens - live.
Now though, most places just 'gas' the chickens to 'forever-sleep'. Which is far better unless you are 'jewish'.

I even tried a 'Supermarket' pre-cooked cheap chicken last night and it went through me faster than a curry or chilli dish.

There was an American Company, that owns 90% of the Global Market, that came to Australia to finish the job and own 100% of the Global Market of 'Mass Production Poultry'.
They had already bought 'Inghams' - but with good warning  Wink, the other Australian Companies and Independents put up a good fight and pushed those American plans back a fair bit.

American's go about business via 'Destroy the Competition' rather than compete fairly. Take a hint from the America's Cup.  Tongue
Lucky Australia didn't sell 'Grain Corp'  or it would have been 'Grain Dead' in 3 years  Cry

I could say a lot more - but I gotta watch myself a bit here.
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Setanta wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:30pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:23pm:
I used to work in the Poultry Industry,
even as a Chicken Sexer for a short period before I was replaced for 'cheaper Asian Labour' brought in under the cover of 'Back-Packer Visas' (6 month rotation of workers from South Korea) - not that they actually stayed in Back Packer Hostels.  Roll Eyes

The problem with 'MASS PRODUCTION' poultry is that you really buy very poor quality produce. The only justification for 'mass production' is to feed over-populated nations.

Besides the poor conditions of the chickens, grain fed, dismal lighting, cramped conditions, etc.
The eggs themselves are 'fumigated' in Hatcheries with at least x5 bombardments of FORMALDEHYDE !!!

A large number of those eggs that hatch are genetically stuffed both physically and mentally - legs coming out of abdomens, eyes rolling around furiously, etc.

They also used to 'macerate' the unwanted chickens - live.
Now though, most places just 'gas' the chickens to 'forever-sleep'. Which is far better unless you are 'jewish'.

I even tried a 'Supermarket' pre-cooked cheap chicken last night and it went through me faster than a curry or chilli dish.

There was an American Company, that owns 90% of the Global Market, that came to Australia to finish the job and own 100% of the Global Market of 'Mass Production Poultry'.
They had already bought 'Inghams' - but with good warning  Wink, the other Australian Companies and Independents put up a good fight and pushed those American plans back a fair bit.

American's go about business via 'Destroy the Competition' rather than compete fairly. Take a hint from the America's Cup.  Tongue
Lucky Australia didn't sell 'Grain Corp'  or it would have been 'Grain Dead' in 3 years  Cry

I could say a lot more - but I gotta watch myself a bit here.
Wink


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Considering I just told my German employer where to go today and am unemployed again.
I have no idea what that says.  Huh
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Jasin wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:46pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:30pm:
Du bist eine huhner ficker? Shocked

Considering I just told my German employer where to go today and am unemployed again.
I have no idea what that says.  Huh


I won't translate it for you, google will but it relates to your job as a chicken sexer. Grin
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Is it true the male chicks are ground up,  dried and turned into  chicken salt?
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Gordon wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 11:00pm:
Is it true the male chicks are ground up,  dried and turned into  chicken salt?


You want chicken salt? Suck this, points at something, it's foul and salty! Grin

Seriously though, they are ground up alive. No idea how quick it is but probably faster than having your body parts amputated for sale while you are still alive as happens in Asia.
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Gordon wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 11:00pm:
Is it true the male chicks are ground up,  dried and turned into  chicken salt?


Grin
No. But the Chinese Restaurants in Melbourne sell baby chickens as Quail  Wink
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Setanta wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:54pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:46pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:30pm:
Du bist eine huhner ficker? Shocked

Considering I just told my German employer where to go today and am unemployed again.
I have no idea what that says.  Huh


I won't translate it for you, google will but it relates to your job as a chicken sexer. Grin

You're an incubadoras ****er!

Grin
It can make you $1000 a day  Wink
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Jasin wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 11:07pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:54pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:46pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:30pm:
Du bist eine huhner ficker? Shocked

Considering I just told my German employer where to go today and am unemployed again.
I have no idea what that says.  Huh


I won't translate it for you, google will but it relates to your job as a chicken sexer. Grin

You're an incubadoras ****er!

Grin
It can make you $1000 a day  Wink


Don't you be talking about my wife like that!
If you have a wife that needs a bit of sexing, I'll do it half price, mates rates.
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Reply #28 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 11:28pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 11:11pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 11:07pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:54pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:46pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:30pm:
Du bist eine huhner ficker? Shocked

Considering I just told my German employer where to go today and am unemployed again.
I have no idea what that says.  Huh


I won't translate it for you, google will but it relates to your job as a chicken sexer. Grin

You're an incubadoras ****er!

Grin
It can make you $1000 a day  Wink


Don't you be talking about my wife like that!
If you have a wife that needs a bit of sexing, I'll do it half price, mates rates.


Mate's Rate is always just 10%.
That's like 10mm of fun you'll be getting.  Grin
Alas, no I don't have a 'wife'.
She's still in the Prison wondering where I got to.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Jasin wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 11:28pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 11:11pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 11:07pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:54pm:
Jasin wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:46pm:
Setanta wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 10:30pm:
Du bist eine huhner ficker? Shocked

Considering I just told my German employer where to go today and am unemployed again.
I have no idea what that says.  Huh


I won't translate it for you, google will but it relates to your job as a chicken sexer. Grin

You're an incubadoras ****er!

Grin
It can make you $1000 a day  Wink


Don't you be talking about my wife like that!
If you have a wife that needs a bit of sexing, I'll do it half price, mates rates.


Mate's Rate is always just 10%.
That's like 10mm of fun you'll be getting.  Grin
Alas, no I don't have a 'wife'.
She's still in the Prison wondering where I got to.


I don't do anal but I Greg might know someone. Wink
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