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No sir, 14 chooks per m2 is not free range
Jul 25^th, 2017 at 2:03pm

One of WA’s biggest egg producers has been fined $750,000 for misleading customers by claiming its produce was free range when it was highly unlikely most of its chickens could move around outside.

A Federal Court judgment handed down in May last year found Snowdale Holdings breached consumer protection laws by making false or misleading representations that its eggs were free range.

Snowdale, which sold to retailers Coles and Woolworths, supplied eggs under brands including Eggs by Ellah, Swan Valley Free Range and Wanneroo Free Range.

Justice Antony Siopis fined the company this morning and ordered it to pay $300,000 in costs.

The action against Snowdale was taken by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission over conditions for its chickens between April 2011 and December 2013.

During a three-week trial in 2015, it was alleged some of Snowdale’s barns at Carabooda and in the Swan Valley held up to 18,000 chickens – or 14 animals a square metre – with only a few exits to outdoor ranges.

The company used advertising that included claims its eggs were “free range” and images of chickens in “grassy fields”.

The ACCC argued a significant amount of consumers would reasonably think the words free range meant something more than up to 18,000 hens in a barn with a few exits.

Justice Siopis ruled the ACCC had established most of the hens in relevant sheds did not move around freely on an open range on an ordinary day.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: No sir, 14 chooks per m2 is not free range Reply #1 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 2:04pm Now could His Honour please turn his attention to all the chooks in cages?
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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: No sir, 14 chooks per m2 is not free range Reply #2 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 3:25pm Disgusting...What are Coles and other companies going to do about it? If nothing stop buying there
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16489 Gender:	Re: No sir, 14 chooks per m2 is not free range Reply #3 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 3:30pm -
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43806 Gender:	Re: No sir, 14 chooks per m2 is not free range Reply #4 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 3:30pm I had three chooks. They ranged through my large backyard. Beyootifool eggs, still dream of them. Never raised hens for meat—thought of all the plucking to be done, no thanks.
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Re: No sir, 14 chooks per m2 is not free range
Reply #5 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 3:51pm

red baron wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 3:25pm:

Disgusting...What are Coles and other companies going to do about it? If nothing stop buying there

mate its up to the consumer.. you and I...I have only bought one brand of eggs since forever.. in fact they may have been the first of the free range...

its the same with the chicken their lives are miserable...

if we treat an animal like this we are not allowed to have animals for about 10 years

how come these egg farmers are not closed down????...its animal cruelty

we use grand statements now dont we..

this is about using FREE RANGE on its cartons.. not about those poor animals...god the more I read about WA the worse it gets.

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 72495 Gender:	Re: No sir, 14 chooks per m2 is not free range Reply #6 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 3:55pm cods wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 3:51pm: mate its up to the consumer. the consumer is entitled to believe that eggs labelled free range do in fact come from free range chickens. Unless you expect consumers to visit the farms before they make a purchase?
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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Re: No sir, 14 chooks per m2 is not free range Reply #7 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 3:58pm Freerange ?-I just always bought whatever fit my shopping budget- was only ever a scam- they can do what they like to animals used for produce- complete misery and despair -
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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Re: No sir, 14 chooks per m2 is not free range Reply #8 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 4:08pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 3:30pm: I had three chooks. They ranged through my large backyard. Beyootifool eggs, still dream of them. Never raised hens for meat—thought of all the plucking to be done, no thanks. Demi plucked them for free remember and removed the gizzards as a free service-
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Re: No sir, 14 chooks per m2 is not free range
Reply #9 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 4:15pm

cods wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 3:51pm:

mate its up to the consumer.. you and I...I have only bought one brand of eggs since forever.. in fact they may have been the first of the free range...

I only ever buy free range eggs and would like to think that it is strictly regulated enough so that they actually are what they claim to be ie free range.

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Re: No sir, 14 chooks per m2 is not free range
Reply #10 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 4:35pm

Im not sure its even possible to be a profitable, large scale egg producer.

Given that chickens will destroy any and all vegetation within their reach, a huge amount of land per head is required to raise them in any degree of comfort.

We (ie you) are used to eggs within a certain price range and its just not enough to support a large operation and the resources it requires. Its all very well saying youll pay an extra dollar or 2 per carton, but its still not enough. I think itd be more like an extra dollar per egg, and that price just isnt going to fly.

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In the fullness of time...

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Re: No sir, 14 chooks per m2 is not free range
Reply #11 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 5:15pm

Who here claims to know the thoughts of a chook?
Or are you anthropomorphizing.

I think I read a study where they measured the stress hormone levels in chooks and the caged birds had less stress.

You should start thinking about chooks the way I think about most humans.

Simple minded creatures without enough brain capacity to know the difference

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6488 Gender:	Re: No sir, 14 chooks per m2 is not free range Reply #12 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 5:17pm However the company that was cheating should be fined. Free range eggs should cost about $15 per dozen
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Re: No sir, 14 chooks per m2 is not free range
Reply #13 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 5:47pm

miketrees wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 5:17pm:

However the company that was cheating should be fined.
Free range eggs should cost about $15 per dozen

They'll sell plenty at that price won't they.

I never buy 'free range' eggs. Easy to spot the scam. There seems to be more free range eggs in the supermarket than there are chooks in the country.

Had five chooks in our backyard 'till a fox got hungry.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6488 Gender:	Re: No sir, 14 chooks per m2 is not free range Reply #14 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 5:49pm I never buy 'free range' eggs. Easy to spot the scam. See Organic,,,,, same deal.
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