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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75985 Gender:	Re: What to do in a home invasion Reply #45 - Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:25pm rhino wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:19pm: No prizes for 2nd John unless its your missus. she wouldn't take you anyway rhino so you've no need to worry about it.
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Re: What to do in a home invasion
Reply #46 - Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:28pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:25pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:19pm:

No prizes for 2nd John Wink

unless its your missus.

she wouldn't take you anyway rhino so you've no need to worry about it.

You misunderstood my comment. Lol. As if id have sex with someone dumb enough to marry you. I could get arrested for that.

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Re: What to do in a home invasion
Reply #47 - Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:30pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 6:08pm:

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And if someone does get in? Comply says Mr Flavell. "Give them what they want.Don't engage with them.And whatever you do try to keep some space,such as keeping a table between you and them.And call for help as soon as it's safe to do so."
racv.com.au/membership/member-benefits/royalauto/news/what-to-do-in-a-home-invas...

There you go the RACV say hand over all your stuff and let them have their way with your wife or daughter is that what they mean by comply.

Once upon a time we were allowed to defend ourselves from home invaders, our politicians and leftists have turned us into a nation of victims.

In a single word - "bullshit", Baron. We are still allowed to defend ourselves. The judicial system takes that into account if your home is "invaded". Roll Eyes

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Re: What to do in a home invasion
Reply #48 - Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:30pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 6:08pm:

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And if someone does get in? Comply says Mr Flavell. "Give them what they want.Don't engage with them.And whatever you do try to keep some space,such as keeping a table between you and them.And call for help as soon as it's safe to do so."
racv.com.au/membership/member-benefits/royalauto/news/what-to-do-in-a-home-invas...

There you go the RACV say hand over all your stuff and let them have their way with your wife or daughter is that what they mean by comply.

Once upon a time we were allowed to defend ourselves from home invaders, our politicians and leftists have turned us into a nation of victims.

In a single word - "bullshit", Baron. We are still allowed to defend ourselves. The judicial system takes that into account if your home is "invaded". Roll Eyes

First up you'll need a law degree to ensure you comply with all restrictions and precedents, lest you use too much force.

Then of course you will need an array of approve defensive weapons, once again, lest you use too much force.

They will have to wait until you have full assessed the situation,selected the appropriate defensive weapon.

And piece of p1ss, home defended in accordance with the law.

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Re: What to do in a home invasion
Reply #49 - Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:54pm

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:30pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 6:08pm:

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And if someone does get in? Comply says Mr Flavell. "Give them what they want.Don't engage with them.And whatever you do try to keep some space,such as keeping a table between you and them.And call for help as soon as it's safe to do so."
racv.com.au/membership/member-benefits/royalauto/news/what-to-do-in-a-home-invas...

There you go the RACV say hand over all your stuff and let them have their way with your wife or daughter is that what they mean by comply.

Once upon a time we were allowed to defend ourselves from home invaders, our politicians and leftists have turned us into a nation of victims.

In a single word - "bullshit", Baron. We are still allowed to defend ourselves. The judicial system takes that into account if your home is "invaded". Roll Eyes

First up you'll need a law degree to ensure you comply with all restrictions and precedents, lest you use too much force.

Then of course you will need an array of approve defensive weapons, once again, lest you use too much force.

They will have to wait until you have full assessed the situation,selected the appropriate defensive weapon.

And piece of p1ss, home defended in accordance with the law.

So, you agree that the Baron is bullshitting, BigOl64?

In reality all you need to do is prove that you feared for your or others' lives and that you were defending yourself/them from attack. There have been several court cases which were won on that basis.

What you cannot do, is beat your assailant or imprison them. The amount of force you use must be consummate with the force your assailant used and not be excessive. You can even use a gun to defend yourself, despite what the Baron and other gun nuts would prefer you to believe. Again, several court cases have been won, despite the use of a gun to defend the defendant against their assailant's attack post Port Arthur.

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: What to do in a home invasion Reply #50 - May 1^st, 2017 at 12:02am Brian is right. Just make sure when the home intruder is found dead from stab wounds that the knife is found in his hand and that he attacked you first with it.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 109257 Melbourne Gender:	Re: What to do in a home invasion Reply #51 - May 1^st, 2017 at 12:06am You're all forgetting that punks have rights:
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Re: What to do in a home invasion
Reply #52 - May 1^st, 2017 at 12:10am

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:54pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:30pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 6:08pm:

Quote:

And if someone does get in? Comply says Mr Flavell. "Give them what they want.Don't engage with them.And whatever you do try to keep some space,such as keeping a table between you and them.And call for help as soon as it's safe to do so."
racv.com.au/membership/member-benefits/royalauto/news/what-to-do-in-a-home-invas...

There you go the RACV say hand over all your stuff and let them have their way with your wife or daughter is that what they mean by comply.

Once upon a time we were allowed to defend ourselves from home invaders, our politicians and leftists have turned us into a nation of victims.

In a single word - "bullshit", Baron. We are still allowed to defend ourselves. The judicial system takes that into account if your home is "invaded". Roll Eyes

First up you'll need a law degree to ensure you comply with all restrictions and precedents, lest you use too much force.

Then of course you will need an array of approve defensive weapons, once again, lest you use too much force.

They will have to wait until you have full assessed the situation,selected the appropriate defensive weapon.

And piece of p1ss, home defended in accordance with the law.

So, you agree that the Baron is bullshitting, BigOl64?

In reality all you need to do is prove that you feared for your or others' lives and that you were defending yourself/them from attack. There have been several court cases which were won on that basis.

What you cannot do, is beat your assailant or imprison them. The amount of force you use must be consummate with the force your assailant used and not be excessive. You can even use a gun to defend yourself, despite what the Baron and other gun nuts would prefer you to believe. Again, several court cases have been won, despite the use of a gun to defend the defendant against their assailant's attack post Port Arthur.

You are partially correct, in that in theory we can effectively defend ourselves, but the reality is not really.

As far as using a gun; forget it. If you are compliant with the laws governing gun ownership and storage, the home invaders will be all over you in a heart beat before you even prepped your weapon for use.

Like I said, you will need a range of approved weapons, in which to defend yourself, so you are compliant with the law. Too fkken bad if you can't work out if your weapon is excessive force or not. If it is excessive your are basically fkked under the law.

The law is definitely on the side of the home invader as the law is pretty implicit about excessive force by the home owner and the fact the law does not judge them kindly.

So forget about guns, the crims will probably have them but you won't be able to use your if in fact you have one; the police will have in cuff before you can explain anything about protecting your family. Like you say guns are NOT for protection.

The best protection against home invasion is wealth. Live in a good part of town away from the lower socio-economic filth that commits these types of crimes.

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Re: What to do in a home invasion
Reply #53 - May 1^st, 2017 at 12:12am

rhino wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 12:02am:

Brian is right. Just make sure when the home intruder is found dead from stab wounds that the knife is found in his hand and that he attacked you first with it.

The one thing every home invader knows for sure about the average home owner, there will be no guns, unless they are bringing them.

The law favours the crim, have no doubt about that.

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Re: What to do in a home invasion
Reply #54 - May 1^st, 2017 at 12:26am

BigOl64 wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 12:10am:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:54pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:30pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 6:08pm:

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And if someone does get in? Comply says Mr Flavell. "Give them what they want.Don't engage with them.And whatever you do try to keep some space,such as keeping a table between you and them.And call for help as soon as it's safe to do so."
racv.com.au/membership/member-benefits/royalauto/news/what-to-do-in-a-home-invas...

There you go the RACV say hand over all your stuff and let them have their way with your wife or daughter is that what they mean by comply.

Once upon a time we were allowed to defend ourselves from home invaders, our politicians and leftists have turned us into a nation of victims.

In a single word - "bullshit", Baron. We are still allowed to defend ourselves. The judicial system takes that into account if your home is "invaded". Roll Eyes

First up you'll need a law degree to ensure you comply with all restrictions and precedents, lest you use too much force.

Then of course you will need an array of approve defensive weapons, once again, lest you use too much force.

They will have to wait until you have full assessed the situation,selected the appropriate defensive weapon.

And piece of p1ss, home defended in accordance with the law.

So, you agree that the Baron is bullshitting, BigOl64?

In reality all you need to do is prove that you feared for your or others' lives and that you were defending yourself/them from attack. There have been several court cases which were won on that basis.

What you cannot do, is beat your assailant or imprison them. The amount of force you use must be consummate with the force your assailant used and not be excessive. You can even use a gun to defend yourself, despite what the Baron and other gun nuts would prefer you to believe. Again, several court cases have been won, despite the use of a gun to defend the defendant against their assailant's attack post Port Arthur.

You are partially correct, in that in theory we can effectively defend ourselves, but the reality is not really.

As far as using a gun; forget it. If you are compliant with the laws governing gun ownership and storage, the home invaders will be all over you in a heart beat before you even prepped your weapon for use.

Like I said, you will need a range of approved weapons, in which to defend yourself, so you are compliant with the law. Too fkken bad if you can't work out if your weapon is excessive force or not. If it is excessive your are basically fkked under the law.

The law is definitely on the side of the home invader as the law is pretty implicit about excessive force by the home owner and the fact the law does not judge them kindly.

So forget about guns, the crims will probably have them but you won't be able to use your if in fact you have one; the police will have in cuff before you can explain anything about protecting your family. Like you say guns are NOT for protection.

The best protection against home invasion is wealth. Live in a good part of town away from the lower socio-economic filth that commits these types of crimes.

Self-Defence in Australia...

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Re: What to do in a home invasion
Reply #55 - May 1^st, 2017 at 12:42am

Brian Ross wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 12:26am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 12:10am:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:54pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:30pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 6:08pm:

Quote:

And if someone does get in? Comply says Mr Flavell. "Give them what they want.Don't engage with them.And whatever you do try to keep some space,such as keeping a table between you and them.And call for help as soon as it's safe to do so."
racv.com.au/membership/member-benefits/royalauto/news/what-to-do-in-a-home-invas...

There you go the RACV say hand over all your stuff and let them have their way with your wife or daughter is that what they mean by comply.

Once upon a time we were allowed to defend ourselves from home invaders, our politicians and leftists have turned us into a nation of victims.

In a single word - "bullshit", Baron. We are still allowed to defend ourselves. The judicial system takes that into account if your home is "invaded". Roll Eyes

First up you'll need a law degree to ensure you comply with all restrictions and precedents, lest you use too much force.

Then of course you will need an array of approve defensive weapons, once again, lest you use too much force.

They will have to wait until you have full assessed the situation,selected the appropriate defensive weapon.

And piece of p1ss, home defended in accordance with the law.

So, you agree that the Baron is bullshitting, BigOl64?

In reality all you need to do is prove that you feared for your or others' lives and that you were defending yourself/them from attack. There have been several court cases which were won on that basis.

What you cannot do, is beat your assailant or imprison them. The amount of force you use must be consummate with the force your assailant used and not be excessive. You can even use a gun to defend yourself, despite what the Baron and other gun nuts would prefer you to believe. Again, several court cases have been won, despite the use of a gun to defend the defendant against their assailant's attack post Port Arthur.

You are partially correct, in that in theory we can effectively defend ourselves, but the reality is not really.

As far as using a gun; forget it. If you are compliant with the laws governing gun ownership and storage, the home invaders will be all over you in a heart beat before you even prepped your weapon for use.

Like I said, you will need a range of approved weapons, in which to defend yourself, so you are compliant with the law. Too fkken bad if you can't work out if your weapon is excessive force or not. If it is excessive your are basically fkked under the law.

The law is definitely on the side of the home invader as the law is pretty implicit about excessive force by the home owner and the fact the law does not judge them kindly.

So forget about guns, the crims will probably have them but you won't be able to use your if in fact you have one; the police will have in cuff before you can explain anything about protecting your family. Like you say guns are NOT for protection.

The best protection against home invasion is wealth. Live in a good part of town away from the lower socio-economic filth that commits these types of crimes.

Self-Defence in Australia...

Reinforces exactly what I've been saying.

The full weight of the police and the judiciary will be waiting for you if you kill or seriously maim a criminal in your home.

It will cost you everything you own, including the home you tried to defend to keep you out of gaol.

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Reply #56 - May 1^st, 2017 at 1:00am

Bigol64 hit on the real defense to home invasions.

The best protection against home invasion is wealth. Live in a good part of town away from the lower socio-economic filth that commits these types of crimes.

Where you live and where you go has everything to do with how safe you are in life. No one around me seems to be dealing in drugs or illegal aliens so undesirables have little reason to come around.

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Re: What to do in a home invasion
Reply #57 - May 1^st, 2017 at 7:53am

rhino wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:25pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 11:19pm:

No prizes for 2nd John Wink

unless its your missus.

she wouldn't take you anyway rhino so you've no need to worry about it.

You misunderstood my comment. Lol. As if id have sex with someone dumb enough to marry you. I could get arrested for that.

I understood your comment perfectly, you admitted to playing second fiddle.
It's OK to be gay rhino.

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Re: What to do in a home invasion
Reply #58 - May 1^st, 2017 at 8:42am

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 8:44pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 7:50pm:

It'ld be very fast and scary.

I have a baseball bat in the bedroom, that might buy us time till the cops come.

Good luck with that.

I had a 'home invader' a few years ago who tried to get in while knowing I was in here, and who must have known I'd called the police.

He stayed a full half hour trying to gain access to the backyard where no doubt he was intending to smash in the backdoor with no neighbours watching.

It took the police a good 45 minutes to arrive from the station that is only 5 minutes drive from my place.

Message: Under no circumstances rely on your EMERGENCY PHONE CALL SERVICE DIAL 000 to save you from a desperate situation that requires an immediate response.

Arm yourself with a gun ... a cross-bow ... a spear-fishing sling-shot ... any damned thing, and when the police finally arrive, tell them to go fack themselves.

"A large man is trying to break into my house with violent intent, could you please send some police around to my place as soon as possible?"

45 minutes later these fackers arrive with donut sugar stuck around their mouths .. Useless as tits on a bull.

If I'd had a gun, I would definitely have shot this fellow the moment he stepped into the house.

Get a better postcode, Herb.

In my suburb if I called the police and told them someone cut in front of the line at the artisan bakery and got the last sour-dough that was meant for me, the riot squad would arrive within 90 seconds to ensure the suburbs decorum is maintained.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: What to do in a home invasion Reply #59 - May 1^st, 2017 at 8:46am BigOl64 wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 12:12am: The law favours the crim, have no doubt about that. Damned right ~ before, during, and after the event.
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