Australian Politics Forum - Global warming, the science and the consequences

lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #30 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:15pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:09pm: Yes but no but the CO2 is increasing exponentially. And the temperature? What effect does increasing CO2 have on temperature?
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Reply #31 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:15pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:09pm:

Yes but no but the CO2 is increasing exponentially.

Temperature drives the increase of natural CO2 from its natural resources into our atmosphere, CO2 doesn't drive its own rate of increase.

So your assumption is wrong as has been observed over the years.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #32 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:34pm Burning fossil fuels increases the CO2 in the atmosphere. The warming is melting the tundra and huge frozen deposits of methane are melting and methane is escaping into the atmosphere. Methane is also escaping where greedy idiots are fracking.
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Reply #33 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:53pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:34pm:

The warming is melting the tundra

Really? To what depth?

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:34pm:

and huge frozen deposits of methane are melting and methane is escaping into the atmosphere. Methane is also escaping where greedy idiots are fracking.

You forgot the termites. Wink

"Methane emissions, which have decreased by 16.0percent since 1990, resulted primarily from enteric fermentation associated with domestic livestock, natural gas systems, and
decomposition of wastes in landfills."

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2017-02/documents/2017_complete_repor...

And that is DESPITE fracking. The US is where the bulk of fracking occurs. Wink

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Reply #34 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:53pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:34pm:

Burning fossil fuels increases the CO2 in the atmosphere.

The warming is melting the tundra and huge frozen deposits of methane are melting and methane is escaping into the atmosphere. Methane is also escaping where greedy idiots are fracking.

Notice the sharp rise in fossil fuel CO2 emissions after 2000.

After 2000 fossil fuel emissions were 3 times the amount of fossil fuel emissions in the prior decade to 2000, that is 3 times as much fossil fuel emission went into our atmosphere after 2000 than the decade before 2000.

But the average yearly increase after 2000 just like the decade prior to 2000, average increase in CO2 remains more or less steady at 2.1ppm per year.

Fossil fuel CO2 emissions at 2.3% of the total CO2 natural emissions are insignificant and get lost in the noise.

That's why the average yearly increase of CO2 has remained steady at 2.1ppm per year even though fossil fuel emissions have shot through the roof.

Again your argument is shot down.

Yes fossil fuels emissions contribute but the contribution is small at 2.3% of the total amount of natural CO2 that is emitted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGZqWMEpyUM

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #35 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 8:08pm Hm of the extra CO2 is dissolved in the oceans? NOAA:
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Reply #36 - Apr 25^th, 2017 at 6:07am

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Global carbon emissions from fossil fuels have significantly increased since 1900. Since 1970, CO2 emissions have increased by about 90%, with emissions from fossil fuel combustion and industrial processes contributing about 78% of the total greenhouse gas emissions increase from 1970 to 2011. Agriculture, deforestation, and other land-use changes have been the second-largest contributors.[1]

Emissions of non-CO2 greenhouse gases have also increased significantly since 1900. To learn more about past and projected global emissions of non-CO2 gases, please see the EPA report, Global Anthropogenic Non-CO2 Greenhouse Gas Emissions: 1990-2020.

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions-data

Ajax, the globe is still warming despite the sun being quiescent since 1980. Solar maximum was in the 1950s.

Glaciers are retreating, polar sea ice extent is shrinking and Greenland is losing huge amounts of ice. The very simplest thing to do is accept the theory of AGW. That theory is confirmed by terrestrial and satellite spectroscopy. GHGs do absorb infrared photons (rays if you like) causing the globe to warm.

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #37 - Apr 25^th, 2017 at 8:46am September 1957 - arctic decreases by 40% May 1947 - arctic melting http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/22429983?searchTerm=climate%20change&s... November 1922 - arctic melting http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/050/mwr-050-11-0589a.pdf
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Reply #38 - Apr 25^th, 2017 at 9:22am

Hey JV

These same nut jobs were heralding global cooling and an ice age in the early 1970's.

They would even slay democracy to save us all from global cooling and the coming ice age....LOL.

http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/02/the-1970s-global-cooling-alarmism.html

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=jjgiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=9KsFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1371,235...

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #39 - Apr 25^th, 2017 at 9:30am The 1970's media scare. Hey JV I bet you would have believed this malarkey too....?!?! For more newspaper artciles on global COOLING in the 1970's go to this site and scroll down. http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/02/the-1970s-global-cooling-alarmism.html
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #40 - Apr 25^th, 2017 at 9:39am Like the sheeple of today that have been fooled into believing the pseudo science that is AGW. Poor Spock also believed in the propaganda of the 1970's about the coming ice age.
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #41 - Apr 25^th, 2017 at 10:08am Last one JV Monday 11th September 1972 https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=MnMQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=R4sDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2204,118... Is that the same H. Lamb that worked for the IPCC....?? Well at least he was an honest fellow, unlike Michael Mann and his fraudulent hockey SHHHHTick.......
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #42 - Apr 25^th, 2017 at 4:58pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 8:08pm: Hm of the extra CO2 is dissolved in the oceans? Shouldn't that be how much CO2 is outgassed by the oceans?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #43 - Apr 25^th, 2017 at 6:11pm Ajax and his voodoo charms
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #44 - Apr 25^th, 2017 at 7:12pm "Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences" Why are you not talking science? Tell us about Meehle et al 2014 and their claims that GHG's are anthropogenic. Tell us the science.
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