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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43638 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #15 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:08am Even that graph shows the ice extent is shrinking!
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Reply #16 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:13am

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:08am:

Even that graph shows the ice extent is shrinking!

I said that they have shown that in the last decade it has shrunk by 10% but who's to say this isn't normal.

September 1957 - arctic decreases by 40%

May 1947 - arctic melting

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/22429983?searchTerm=climate%20change&sea...

November 1922 - arctic melting

http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/050/mwr-050-11-0589a.pdf

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Reply #17 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:26am

It is melting. Good, at least you agree.

It has melted further than in the past and shows no sign of slowing.

Temperatures are increasing and they are increasing due to greenhouse gases, principally carbon dioxide and methane.

1°C of heating but the heating has gone on past the 1°C.

Sea level rises, due to the warming of the oceans and the massive ice loss from Greenland will accelerate once Antarctica starts losing ice too: it is gaining mass ATM but at slower and slower rates.

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Reply #18 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:41am

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:26am:

It is melting. Good, at least you agree.

It has melted further than in the past and shows no sign of slowing.

Temperatures are increasing and they are increasing due to greenhouse gases, principally carbon dioxide and methane.

1°C of heating but the heating has gone on past the 1°C.

Sea level rises, due to the warming of the oceans and the massive ice loss from Greenland will accelerate once Antarctica starts losing ice too: it is gaining mass ATM but at slower and slower rates.

For a gas like CO2 or methane (CH4) to have any significant effect on the atmosphere it must total at least 1% of the atmospheric volume.

CO2 is at the moment 0.04%.......400ppm

CH4 is at the moment 0.000183%.......1.834ppm

Water Vapour...................4%............40,000ppm

Water vapour accounts for 95% of the greenhouse house effect here on Earth.

BTW 1% = 10,000ppm (ppm = parts per million)

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Reply #19 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:40am

Ajax wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:41am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:26am:

It is melting. Good, at least you agree.

It has melted further than in the past and shows no sign of slowing.

Temperatures are increasing and they are increasing due to greenhouse gases, principally carbon dioxide and methane.

1°C of heating but the heating has gone on past the 1°C.

Sea level rises, due to the warming of the oceans and the massive ice loss from Greenland will accelerate once Antarctica starts losing ice too: it is gaining mass ATM but at slower and slower rates.

For a gas like CO2 or methane (CH4) to have any significant effect on the atmosphere it must total at least 1% of the atmospheric volume.

CO2 is at the moment 0.04%.......400ppm

CH4 is at the moment 0.000183%.......1.834ppm

Water Vapour...................4%............40,000ppm

Water vapour accounts for 95% of the greenhouse house effect here on Earth.

BTW 1% = 10,000ppm (ppm = parts per million)

* source?????

THANKS BUDDY Roll Eyes

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TheFunPolice Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9009 waggawagga Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #20 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:41am Water Vapour IS THE FEEDBACK MECHANISM : we don't drill for water to pump it into the atmosphere
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10958 Australia Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #21 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:45am TheFunPolice wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:40am: * source????? THANKS BUDDY ....................... http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html Global Deception: The Exaggeration of the Global Warming Threat http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Reference_Docs/PMichaels_Jun98.pdf
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Reply #22 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:47am

TheFunPolice wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:41am:

Water Vapour IS THE FEEDBACK MECHANISM : we don't drill for water to pump it into the atmosphere

Water vapour accounts for 95% of the greenhouse gas effect we have here on Earth.

It's that invisible stuff that makes a 25°C day seem like a 40°C when there's lots of it in the air........... Wink

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Reply #23 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 1:51pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:04am:

The Arctic is warming and the sea ice there is shrinking. This NH winter it was even shrinking in winter!

You shouldn't just rely on the satellite data. Wink

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:04am:

The globe is warming and it is because of the greenhouse gases we emit.

Nice supposition. According to Meehl et al 2004 GHG's are anthropogenic. No natural emissions at all.

That would mean termites (CH4) are human, water vapour is human, plants are human. Wink

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:04am:

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Arctic Sea Ice Minimum

Arctic sea ice reaches its minimum each September. September Arctic sea ice is now declining at a rate of 13.3 percent per decade, relative to the 1981 to 2010 average. This graph shows the average monthly Arctic sea ice extent in September since 1979, derived from satellite observations.

So only relative to 1981 -2010. And only satellite observations. Wink

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Reply #24 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 1:58pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:26am:

It has melted further than in the past and shows no sign of slowing.

Only if you limit to the satellite era.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:26am:

Temperatures are increasing and they are increasing due to greenhouse gases, principally carbon dioxide and methane.

You still haven't posted the peer-review paper that proves your assertion.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:26am:

ea level rises, due to the warming of the oceans and the massive ice loss from Greenland

Pleas show the paper that shows Greenland NET ice loss.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 10:26am:

will accelerate once Antarctica starts losing ice too: it is gaining mass ATM but at slower and slower rates.

Good to see you acknowledge that the Antarctic is not losing ice. The rest about it eventually losing ice is mere conjecture. Did you approach Madam Zara for the prediction?

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Reply #25 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:58pm

Ajax wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:47am:

TheFunPolice wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:41am:

Water Vapour IS THE FEEDBACK MECHANISM : we don't drill for water to pump it into the atmosphere

Water vapour accounts for 95% of the greenhouse gas effect we have here on Earth.

It's that invisible stuff that makes a 25°C day seem like a 40°C when there's lots of it in the air........... Wink

The warming from the CO2 sees more water vapor in the atmosphere, increasing the GHG effect. Water eventually condenses which is why it is classed as a AGW reinforcing not a primary GHG.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16415 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #26 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:01pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:58pm: The warming from the CO2 sees more water vapor in the atmosphere, increasing the GHG effect. Proof?
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Reply #27 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:02pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Ajax wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:47am:

TheFunPolice wrote on Apr 24^th, 2017 at 11:41am:

Water Vapour IS THE FEEDBACK MECHANISM : we don't drill for water to pump it into the atmosphere

Water vapour accounts for 95% of the greenhouse gas effect we have here on Earth.

It's that invisible stuff that makes a 25°C day seem like a 40°C when there's lots of it in the air........... Wink

The warming from the CO2 sees more water vapor in the atmosphere, increasing the GHG effect. Water eventually condenses which is why it is classed as a AGW reinforcing not a primary GHG.

To a certain point "YES" I agree with you...... Wink

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1493003769

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43638 Gender:	Re: Global warming, the science and the consequences Reply #28 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:09pm Yes but no but the CO2 is increasing exponentially.
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Reply #29 - Apr 24^th, 2017 at 4:13pm

JM, From one of your favourite sources -

"Some questions remain. When temperatures get too high, there’s no continued increase in intense rain events. In fact, heavy precipitation events decrease at the highest temperatures. There are some clear reasons for this but for brevity, regardless of where measurements are made on Earth, there appears to be an increase of precipitation with temperature up until a peak and thereafter, more warming coincides with decreased precipitation. "

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/mar/2...

Bloody cluey stuff this water vapour. It only lie Goldilocks temperatures to precipitate out. Wink

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