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Reply #255 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 10:20am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 10:12am:
So if CO2 isn't a well mixed gas
Then why do all the worlds CO2 measuring stations show that it is increasing?

Also remember that due to air being highly mobile due to winds, a CO2 station can effectively monitor CO2 levels over a huge area.


Could it be that most of the CO2 measuring station are in the Northern hemisphere.

Well mixed means thoroughly blended through out the whole atmosphere.

The NASA infrared sounder says that's its not........!!!!!

Where is your evidence..................???
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Reply #258 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 10:21am
 
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Reply #259 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 10:29am
 
Ajax wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 10:20am:
Could it be that most of the CO2 measuring station are in the Northern hemisphere.



No the South Pole and Cape Grimm (Tasmania) measuring stations, among others, all show that CO2 levels are increasing.

Ajax wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 10:20am:
Well mixed means thoroughly blended through out the whole atmosphere.



So we are going to get down to semantics now?

The fact that the worlds CO2 measuring stations in the northern hemisphere as well as the southern hemisphere are all showing that CO2 levels are climbing is irrefutable evidence that CO2 is well mixed enough to affect our climate.
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Reply #260 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 10:35am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 10:29am:
No the South Pole and Cape Grimm (Tasmania) measuring stations, among others, all show that CO2 levels are increasing.


Yeah but the majority are in the northern hemisphere... Kiss


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So we are going to get down to semantics now?
The fact that the worlds CO2 measuring station in the northern hemisphere as well as the southern hemisphere are all showing that CO2 levels are climbing is irrefutable evidence that CO2 is well mixed enough to affect our climate.


If it was a well mixed gas it would show the same reading all over the world, the same increase all over the world, it wouldn't fade in parts while elsewhere it increases and elsewhere nearly absent.

Satellite data, tells us that "IT'S NOT A WELL MIXED GAS".

Like I said where is your evidence that it is..........???
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Reply #261 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 10:51am
 
Ajax wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 10:35am:
If it was a well mixed gas it would show the same reading all over the world, the same increase all over the world, it wouldn't fade in parts while elsewhere it increases and elsewhere nearly absent.

Satellite data, tells us that "IT'S NOT A WELL MIXED GAS".

Like I said where is your evidence that it is..........???


You are being distracted by semantics Ajax.

World wide CO2 stations are all showing that CO2 levels are increasing and that is all that is required to prove that it is well mixed enough to affect climate.
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Reply #262 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 10:57am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 10:51am:
Ajax wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 10:35am:
If it was a well mixed gas it would show the same reading all over the world, the same increase all over the world, it wouldn't fade in parts while elsewhere it increases and elsewhere nearly absent.

Satellite data, tells us that "IT'S NOT A WELL MIXED GAS".

Like I said where is your evidence that it is..........???


You are being distracted by semantics Ajax.

World wide CO2 stations are all showing that CO2 levels are increasing and that is all that is required to prove that it is well mixed enough to affect climate.


Not at all Barnacle, unlike you I search for the truth.

Facts are the northern hemisphere has more CO2 than the southern hemisphere.

CO2 is concentrated in some areas and dispersed in others while elsewhere it could be non existing or while in others it changes with the seasons.

We have data from AIRS that confirms CO2 is not well mixed.

Now where is your evidence that CO2 is well mixed....??

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Reply #263 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:08am
 
I'm not sure if you are being deliberately stupid or you are just blinded by your conspiracy theory blogs but I'm not going to waste any more of my time trying to explain what is actually quite a simple concept.
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Reply #264 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:13am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:08am:
I'm not sure if you are being deliberately stupid or you are just blinded by your conspiracy theory blogs but I'm not going to waste any more of my time trying to explain what is actually quite a simple concept.


It's there in black and white.

I didn't write it, I'm just shoving it under your nose.

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Reply #265 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:52am
 
"This assessment demonstrates that the effect of an increased warming caused by an increase of  absorptivity of infrared radiation (IR) by water vapor due to overlapping spectral bands with carbon dioxide does not happen in nature.

On the overlapping absorption spectral bands of carbon dioxide and water vapor, the carbon dioxide propitiates a decrease of the total emissivity/absorptivity of the mixture in the atmosphere, not an increase,as AGW proponents argue.

Applying the physics laws of atmospheric heat transfer, the Carbon Dioxide behaves as a coolant of the Earth’s surface and the Earth’s atmosphere by its effect of diminishing the total absorptivity and total emissivity of the mixture of atmospheric gases."

http://www.biocab.org/Overlapping_Absorption_Bands.pdf

A peer-reviewed paper.

With heat transfer the Specific Heat (SH) of air is 1.0, for CO2 it is 0.8. That is it heats and cools faster. It doesn't "trap" heat.
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Reply #266 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 4:20am
 
The poles show AGW, from IR absorption by greenhouse gases, is still hitting stronger every day. Doesn’t seem to be a maximum effect from CO2 yet.

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NASA Study Shows Global Sea Ice Diminishing, Despite Antarctic Gains

Sea ice increases in Antarctica do not make up for the accelerated Arctic sea ice loss of the last decades, a new NASA study finds. As a whole, the planet has been shedding sea ice at an average annual rate of 13,500 square miles (35,000 square kilometers) since 1979, the equivalent of losing an area of sea ice larger than the state of Maryland every year.

“Even though Antarctic sea ice reached a new record maximum this past September, global sea ice is still decreasing,” said Claire Parkinson, author of the study and climate scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. “That’s because the decreases in Arctic sea ice far exceed the increases in Antarctic sea ice.”

Parkinson used microwave data collected by NASA and Department of Defense satellites for her study, which was published last December in the Journal of Climate. She added Arctic and Antarctic sea ice extents month by month from November 1978 to December 2013 to determine the global ice extent for each month. Her analysis shows that over the 35-year period, the trend in ice extents was downward in all months of the year, even those corresponding to the Arctic and Antarctic sea ice maximum extents.

Comparing Arctic sea ice loss to Antarctic sea ice gain shows that the planet has-been shedding sea ice at an average annual rate of 13,500 square miles since 1979, the equivalent of losing an area of sea ice larger than the state of Maryland every year.

Furthermore, the global ice decrease has accelerated: in the first half of the record (1979-96), the sea ice loss was about 8,300 square miles (21,500 square kilometers) per year. This rate more than doubled for the second half of the period (1996 to 2013), when there was an average loss of 19,500 square miles (50,500 square kilometers) per year – an average yearly loss larger than the states of Vermont and New Hampshire combined.


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Reply #267 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 4:23am
 
More bad news for sea ice:

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Sea Ice Extent Sinks to Record Lows at Both Poles
Arctic sea ice appears to have reached on March 7 a record low wintertime maximum extent, according to scientists at NASA and the NASA-supported National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) in Boulder, Colorado. And on the opposite side of the planet, on March 3 sea ice around Antarctica hit its lowest extent ever recorded by satellites at the end of summer in the Southern Hemisphere, a surprising turn of events after decades of moderate sea ice expansion.


The March 7, 2017, Arctic sea ice maximum extent was a record low, due to warmer-than-average temperatures, winds unfavorable to ice expansion, and a series of storms. Antarctic sea ice also broke a record with its annual minimum extent on March 3.

On Feb. 13, the combined Arctic and Antarctic sea ice numbers were at their lowest point since satellites began to continuously measure sea ice in 1979. Total polar sea ice covered 6.26 million square miles (16.21 million square kilometers), which is 790,000 square miles (2 million square kilometers) less than the average global minimum extent for 1981-2010 – the equivalent of having lost a chunk of sea ice larger than Mexico.

Arctic and global sea ice totals have moved consistently downward over 38 years. Antarctic trends are more muddled, but they do not offset the great losses in the Arctic.

The ice floating on top of the Arctic Ocean and surrounding seas shrinks in a seasonal cycle from mid-March until mid-September. As the Arctic temperatures drop in the autumn and winter, the ice cover grows again until it reaches its yearly maximum extent, typically in March. The ring of sea ice around the Antarctic continent behaves in a similar manner, with the calendar flipped: it usually reaches its maximum in September and its minimum in February.

This winter, a combination of warmer-than-average temperatures, winds unfavorable to ice expansion, and a series of storms halted sea ice growth in the Arctic. This year’s maximum extent, reached on March 7 at 5.57 million square miles (14.42 million square kilometers), is 37,000 square miles (97,00 square kilometers) below the previous record low, which occurred in 2015, and 471,000 square miles (1.22 million square kilometers) smaller than the average maximum extent for 1981-2010.

“We started from a low September minimum extent,” said Walt Meier, a sea ice scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland. “There was a lot of open ocean water and we saw periods of very slow ice growth in late October and into November, because the water had a lot of accumulated heat that had to be dissipated before ice could grow. The ice formation got a late start and everything lagged behind – it was hard for the sea ice cover to catch up.”

The Arctic’s sea ice maximum extent has dropped by an average of 2.8 percent per decade since 1979. The summertime minimum extent losses are nearly five times larger: 13.5 percent per decade. Besides shrinking in extent, the sea ice cap is also thinning and becoming more vulnerable to the action of ocean waters, winds and warmer temperatures.

This year’s record low sea ice maximum extent might not necessarily lead to a new record low summertime minimum extent, since weather has a great impact on the melt season’s outcome, Meier said. “But it’s guaranteed to be below normal.”

In Antarctica, this year’s record low annual sea ice minimum of 815,000 square miles (2.11 million square kilometers) was 71,000 square miles (184,000 square kilometers) below the previous lowest minimum extent in the satellite record, which occurred in 1997.


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Reply #268 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 4:32am
 
Despite the El Nino now waning temperatures are still climbing, pushing us into uncharted territory, according to the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/21/record-breaking-climate-chan...
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Reply #269 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 4:52am
 
Meanwhile, in Australia, a shambles of a government, beholden to anti–science extreme right wingers prepares to discard advice from its own scientific advisory body:

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Two members of the Climate Change Authority have resigned, with one accusing the government of being beholden to rightwing, anti-science “extremists” in its own party and in the media.

John Quiggin told Guardian Australia he informed the federal minister for environment and energy, Josh Frydenberg, of his resignation on Thursday. It follows the resignation of fellow climate change authority member, Danny Price, who quit on Tuesday.

“The government’s refusal to accept the advice of its own authority, despite wide support for that advice from business, environmental groups and the community as a whole, reflects the comprehensive failure of its policies on energy and the environment,” Quiggin said.

“These failures can be traced, in large measure, to the fact that the government is beholden to rightwing anti-science activists in its own ranks and in the media. Rather than resist these extremists, the Turnbull government has chosen to treat the vital issues of climate change and energy security as an opportunity for political point-scoring and culture war rhetoric.”



https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/23/two-quit-australia-climate-c...

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