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Reply #240 - Mar 4th, 2017 at 11:58am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 6:07am:
You can go here to see dozens of CO2 sampling station records from sea level to mountain top, from pole to equator, that show unequivically that CO2 spreads very evenly throughout the global atmosphere, all theory or prediction aside. We can even see that CO2 rise in the southern hemisphere lags behind CO2 rise in the northern hemisphere by a few years as most anthropogenic CO2 is produced in the north where the majority of fossil fuel combustion takes place and it takes some time to spread around. The annual rise and fall is the natural result of plant growth and die-off as seasons cycle through the northern hemisphere, again where most plant growth takes place.


Don't want to believe your lying eyes. Wink And from another blog.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 6:07am:
Ice core drilled from Vostok in the Russina part of Antarctics, part of a 3 nation effort:
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and analyzing the CO2 concentrations by gas chromatography (Barnola et al. 1983). The analytical system, except for the stainless steel container in which the ice was crushed, was calibrated for each ice sample measurement with a standard mixture of CO2 in nitrogen and oxygen. For further details on the experimental procedures and the dating of the successive ice layers at Vostok, see Barnola et al. (1987, 1991), Lorius et al. (1985), and Petit et al. (1999).



You have heard about the uncertainties of CO2 in the firn? How pressure from increasing snow and ice affects the bottom layers? How it diffuses out?

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 6:07am:
2. Another atmospheric CO2 logging station at the south pole:
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An Applied Physics Corporation (APC) nondispersive infrared gas analyzer was used in the field to obtain atmospheric CO2 concentrations, based on continuous data for 6-hour steady periods. Weekly averages were calculated from those daily averages meeting the requirement for at least 6 hours of continuous sampling. Data are available from most weeks during the 3-year period of record.



So we have according to your top reference "dozens" of sites in 510m sq km. How much surface area is unsampled?

I did not say it did not mix; I said it was not well-mixed. You do understand the difference?
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Reply #244 - Mar 4th, 2017 at 12:21pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 6:19am:
Ajax wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 3:58pm:
CO2 has NEVER controlled temperature on Earth.

There's no correlation between this trace gas and global temperatures.

Just look at our history....................... Cool


TODAY.............................MILLIONS OF YEARS AGO


http://i66.tinypic.com/jg3at5.jpghttp://i45.tinypic.com/vf8b5l.jpg


Do you have any idea of how the earth and sun have changed in the long period of geologic time? Sure, a major ice age caused by changes to the orbit of the earth, google “milankovitch cycles” could override CO2 forcings at particular times. Continents are in different places at different times and the sun progresses through the usual path for a sun of the mass and age of our sun.

Your little chart does not mean as much as you think it does.

So do some reading, start here if you like.



I've already debunked Ajax's graphs many times and also pointed out that some of them have been deliberately doctored.
He keeps using them though
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Reply #245 - Mar 4th, 2017 at 3:59pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
I've already debunked Ajax's graphs many times and also pointed out that some of them have been deliberately doctored.
He keeps using them though


If it gives you peace of mind, debunk all you like..... Smiley

BTW read the fine print on those graphs please.... Wink


TODAY.............................MILLIONS OF YEARS AGO


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Reply #246 - Mar 4th, 2017 at 4:25pm
 
Lee is correct CO2 IS NOT WELL MIXED in the atmosphere.

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https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=...
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Reply #247 - Mar 4th, 2017 at 4:31pm
 


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Reply #248 - Mar 4th, 2017 at 5:55pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 6:07am:
Let us just finish putting this “CO2 is not a well mixed gas” lie in the garbage bin where it belongs:

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You can go here to see dozens of CO2 sampling station records from sea level to mountain top, from pole to equator, that show unequivically that CO2 spreads very evenly throughout the global atmosphere, all theory or prediction aside. We can even see that CO2 rise in the southern hemisphere lags behind CO2 rise in the northern hemisphere by a few years as most anthropogenic CO2 is produced in the north where the majority of fossil fuel combustion takes place and it takes some time to spread around. The annual rise and fall is the natural result of plant growth and die-off as seasons cycle through the northern hemisphere, again where most plant growth takes place.

. . . .So CO2 mixes, why is this? Pure CO2 is indeed heavier than air and there have even been suffocation deaths caused by volcanic emissions of CO2 many times in human history. The one word answer is wind. The atmosphere is very turbulent (windy) and this turbulence easily dilutes many kinds of gases in the atmoshpere and overpowers any small differences in bouyancy.


http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2010/10/is-co2-well-mixed/

Let us have a look at some records:

1. Ice core drilled from Vostok in the Russina part of Antarctics, part of a 3 nation effort:
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and analyzing the CO2 concentrations by gas chromatography (Barnola et al. 1983). The analytical system, except for the stainless steel container in which the ice was crushed, was calibrated for each ice sample measurement with a standard mixture of CO2 in nitrogen and oxygen. For further details on the experimental procedures and the dating of the successive ice layers at Vostok, see Barnola et al. (1987, 1991), Lorius et al. (1985), and Petit et al. (1999).

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/vostok.html

But CO2 is not a well mixed gas sputters lees so there is none in Antarctica!  Smiley

2. Another atmospheric CO2 logging station at the south pole:
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An Applied Physics Corporation (APC) nondispersive infrared gas analyzer was used in the field to obtain atmospheric CO2 concentrations, based on continuous data for 6-hour steady periods. Weekly averages were calculated from those daily averages meeting the requirement for at least 6 hours of continuous sampling. Data are available from most weeks during the 3-year period of record.

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/sio-keel-flask/sio-keel-flaskspo_c.html

Well, Antarctica at the “bottom of the world” should have no CO2 unless CO2 is actually a well mixed gas. Maybe lees should read up about when a mix of gases might stratify. As a comedian his act is lousy, very old material of dubious value.

The result of this study:
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The annual range of about 1.5 ppmv, and an increase of roughly 1 ppmv/year are evident over the period of record. The upward trend is better displayed by SIO's PDF monthly averaged data.


3. Mt Grim, Tasmania:
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Trends

These measurements indicate a rise in annual average atmospheric CO2 concentrations, from 354.07 parts per million by volume (ppmv) in 1992 to 378.50 ppmv in 2006, or an increase of almost 1.75 ppmv per year, on average.


http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/csiro/csiro-cgrim.html


There are dozens of stations and their results lees can look through if lees wants to read science. In the meantime rational people conclude that CO2 disperses through the atmosphere and being a greenhouse gas is acting to warm the world.


So we have refuted the claim by lees that “CO2 is not a well mixed gas.”

I don’t know where it says anywhere that AGW relies on CO2 being a well mixed gas but now that we know it IS a well mixed gas we can move on from that furohy.

What Lees was trying to do, and probably thought himself a clever fellow, was turn a fact, that greenhouse gases do, in fact, act like a greenhouse to the Earth, as clearly, irrefutably shown by spectrometer readings on earth and on satellites, into seeming to be a theory.

1. CO2 IS a well mixed gas.

2. CO2, H2O, CH4 et al do act like a greenhouse and the more CO2 etc we emit the smaller the frequency window that heat wave radiation (infrared) can escape to space through

3. In other words, the AGW theory is pretty conclusively shown to be a good explanation for the heating we are seeing. AGW is true, if you want me to put it that way.
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Reply #249 - Mar 4th, 2017 at 6:34pm
 
Another Cider Workshop email:

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Here in the SE Michigan USA the weather was in the 50's and 60's for two weeks in February.  We have not seen any serious snow for most of the winter more rain than anything else.  While the weather is cooler now, many of the apple trees around my yard have silver tip buds waiting to burst.  With temps going back up this weekend again I'd image a burst is coming way too soon.  This warm spring weather here is ridiculous. 


This isn’t to say “Ooh, AGW proven!”

Does show there was hot weather in the US Midwest. Europe was quite cold for a little while this NH winter: an effect of the weakening, meandering Jet Stream.

We can’t cherry pick events, need to consider GLOBAL temperatures.

Leave the cherry picking to propagandists like Dubyne and to Booby and the Moronic who believe him implicitly. Snake oil.
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Reply #250 - Mar 4th, 2017 at 7:01pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 6:34pm:
We can’t cherry pick events, need to consider GLOBAL temperatures.



You mean like Arctic ice melt without reference to the early 20th century, Late 19th century? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #251 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 8:18am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 5:55pm:

1. CO2 IS a well mixed gas.



What part of
"NOT WELL MIXED"
don't you understand JM..??




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https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=...



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Reply #252 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 9:01am
 
Hey JM your source is a bit out dated (1960 - 1963) dare to include the techniques and procedures to obtain this data, don't you think........??

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/sio-keel-flask/sio-keel-flaskspo_c.html

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Reply #253 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 9:13am
 
Where does this article say "IT'S WELL MIXED"........?????

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/csiro/csiro-cgrim.html

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Again with the source below, where does it say that CO2 is a well mixed gas..........................???

I cant see it......................!!!!

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/vostok.html
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Reply #254 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 10:12am
 
So if CO2 isn't a well mixed gas
Then why do all the worlds CO2 measuring stations show that it is increasing?

Also remember that due to air being highly mobile due to winds, a CO2 station can effectively monitor CO2 levels over a huge area.
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