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GUN LAWS -- Australian Law vs. American Law
Aug 11^th, 2015 at 9:52am

GUN LAWS -- Australian Law vs. American Law

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Present Day Law, History, & Legal Precedents

Australia has a Constitution, & America has a Constitution.

★ Were did our/their present day laws come from, & specifically where did the authority to institute these laws come from? Did the respective Gun Laws emanate from those documents, & if so, are they beholden to powers established specifically within those respective documents?

★ What specific historical events, Australian & American, if any, preceded putting Gun Laws into effect?

★ What do you think about your gun laws, & if it applies in your opinion, what specific amendments, adjustments, & or modifications would you like to see -- keeping in mind historical precedents & legal authorities, if any, expressed in the respective Constitution, as a guideline.

★ Now, for a little excitement, I propose that ..... Australians are free to suggest laws in America, & Americans are free to suggest laws for Australia).

Let the bloodbath discussion begin!

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: GUN LAWS -- Australian Law vs. American Law Reply #1 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:22am Lets ban all guns! Stop private ownership of all firearms.
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Baronvonrort Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17452 Gender:	Re: GUN LAWS -- Australian Law vs. American Law Reply #2 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:47am \|dev\|null wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:22am: Lets ban all guns! Stop private ownership of all firearms. You should seek help for your hoplophobia
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Panther Gold Member Offline My Heart beats True for the Red White & Blue... Posts: 11095 Gender:	Re: GUN LAWS -- Australian Law vs. American Law Reply #3 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:50am \|dev\|null wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:22am: No valid argument or meaningful contribution (I guess??) Hot_Breath is just a Troll....
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Baronvonrort Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17452 Gender:	Re: GUN LAWS -- Australian Law vs. American Law Reply #4 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 12:18pm Panther wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:50am: \|dev\|null wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:22am: No valid argument or meaningful contribution (I guess??) Hot_Breath is just a Troll.... http://imgur.com/MmJgF7o.gif http://imgur.com/wgENiib.jpg We should ignore the trolls.
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: GUN LAWS -- Australian Law vs. American Law Reply #5 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:22pm I am not a troll. I am talking truth. Guns cause more trouble than they ever could fix. We don't need them. Get rid of them!
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Baronvonrort Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17452 Gender:	Re: GUN LAWS -- Australian Law vs. American Law Reply #6 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:40pm \|dev\|null wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:22pm: I am not a troll. You're a worthless troll.
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: GUN LAWS -- Australian Law vs. American Law Reply #7 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 2:12pm Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:40pm: \|dev\|null wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 1:22pm: I am not a troll. You're a worthless troll. Do you always declare those you disagree with as "trolls" Baron?
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Reply #8 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 2:13pm

OK so I'll post it here, less the reference to Obama.

There have been many claims that the Gun Laws have stopped any mass shootings in Australia and that therefore they are a success.

The Lyndt Cafe and Monis proved that they are a failure.
All the ingredients were there for a massacre.

Monis had a firearm - the laws didn't stop him from acquiring it.

Monis' firearm was prohibited by the gun laws - he still got it.
his firearm was illegally modified - the gun laws didn't stop the modification.

Monis didn't have a firearms licence - he didn't comply with the gun laws.

Monis took hostages - the gun laws didn't stop him.

Monis murdered one person - the gun laws didn't stop him.

Monis had it in his power to murder many more people - the gun laws didn't stop him, he was stopped by men with guns.

Anyone care to refute the above?

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: GUN LAWS -- Australian Law vs. American Law Reply #9 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 2:16pm Laws don't stop crimes, they punish crimes. Monis's crime doesn't fit the criteria of a "massacre". Only one person died from his hand and two died from the hands of the Police. Three isn't sufficient to justify it called a "massacre". Keep grasping. It's amusing to watch.
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Reply #10 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 2:24pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

OK so I'll post it here, less the reference to Obama.

There have been many claims that the Gun Laws have stopped any mass shootings in Australia and that therefore they are a success.

The Lyndt Cafe and Monis proved that they are a failure.
All the ingredients were there for a massacre.

Monis had a firearm - the laws didn't stop him from acquiring it.

Monis' firearm was prohibited by the gun laws - he still got it.
his firearm was illegally modified - the gun laws didn't stop the modification.

Monis didn't have a firearms licence - he didn't comply with the gun laws.

Monis took hostages - the gun laws didn't stop him.

Monis murdered one person - the gun laws didn't stop him.

Monis had it in his power to murder many more people - the gun laws didn't stop him, he was stopped by men with guns.

Anyone care to refute the above?

You posted this a few days ago and a shall repeat the answer.

The fact that a law is not 100% effective is no reason to repeal that law. For example.

Drink driving.

People are caught drink driving every day.

People are frequently killed by drink drivers,

People have kept drink driving even though it has become illegal.

All of my statements are true, but none of them create a case against drink driving laws.

P.S the Lindt cafe technically does not qualify as a "mass shooting" since the perpetrator only shot one person.

This is a mass murder
http://news.yahoo.com/texas-police-5-children-3-adults-found-dead-110223005.html

I guess its a shame that America doesn't have a gun control scheme, otherwise the perpetrator(with a long history of violent offences) may not have been able to get a gun, and shoot his whole family.

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Reply #11 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 3:28pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

I guess its a shame that America doesn't have a gun control scheme, otherwise the perpetrator(with a long history of violent offences) may not have been able to get a gun, and shoot his whole family.

I will answer this simply by quoting an answer I read a while ago.

No laws will ever prevent a criminal from obtaining a gun, or any other weapon for that matter, nor will any law ever stop that individual from committing any criminal act, if that individual is intent on committing the act.

If that Texas murderer had hacked those children to death with a machete, a knife, a hammer, a chain, a baseball bat, a cricket bat, or a chainsaw would the crime have been any less heinous to the anti-gun mob? Would they be out to stop people from owning machetes, knifes, hammers, chains, baseball bats, cricket bats, or chainsaws with the same fervor?

How about petrol & matches. People have been doused & lit afire en masse......haven't they?

I've said it before, & will say it again, it isn't the tool of destruction that should inspire our lawmakers, it's the sick criminals that use them that need their undivided attention.....but, America does have a Constitution that says you have the legal means, an inalienable right, at your disposal to protect & defend yourself, your family, & your friends, from violent harm, & protect & defend your property from encroachment, theft &/or damage -- a firearm

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Reply #12 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 3:41pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 2:16pm:

Laws don't stop crimes, they punish crimes.

Monis's crime doesn't fit the criteria of a "massacre". Only one person died from his hand and two died from the hands of the Police. Three isn't sufficient to justify it called a "massacre".

Keep grasping. It's amusing to watch. Cheesy

Monis Killed one and wounded 2 others before a good guy with a gun shot him dead, if it wasn't for the Police going in there would have been more killed by Monis.

He put a fist sized hole in the foot of the fat woman and a Policeman received shotgun pellets to his face.

The Police intervention is the only reason the bodycount was low.

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Reply #13 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 3:44pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

I guess its a shame that America doesn't have a gun control scheme, otherwise the perpetrator(with a long history of violent offences) may not have been able to get a gun, and shoot his whole family.

The USA prohibits convicted felons from owning guns.
That sounds like gun control schemes to me.

They have assault weapon bans and magazine limits in California,New York,Connecticut and Massachusetts.
In Qld a landowner can buy a Ruger SR762 yet an American in Ca,NY,Co and Ma cannot own one of these rifles.

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Reply #14 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 3:49pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

OK so I'll post it here, less the reference to Obama.

There have been many claims that the Gun Laws have stopped any mass shootings in Australia and that therefore they are a success.

The Lyndt Cafe and Monis proved that they are a failure.
All the ingredients were there for a massacre.

Monis had a firearm - the laws didn't stop him from acquiring it.

Monis' firearm was prohibited by the gun laws - he still got it.
his firearm was illegally modified - the gun laws didn't stop the modification.

Monis didn't have a firearms licence - he didn't comply with the gun laws.

Monis took hostages - the gun laws didn't stop him.

Monis murdered one person - the gun laws didn't stop him.

Monis had it in his power to murder many more people - the gun laws didn't stop him, he was stopped by men with guns.

Anyone care to refute the above?

If our laws are so good why are they trying to change them to outlaw lever action shotguns using a terrorist with a pump action as justification for this ban?

If the Police find a shortened firearm in your safe while doing safe storage inspections they will seize it along with all your other guns and ammo, it's a serious offence to be in possession of a shortened firearm.

The laws did not make it more difficult for Monis to get this firearm that was prohibited in 1996, the 2 Uzi's found in the last 2 months show criminals can get what they want in Australia.

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