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Greens bill to ban lever action shotguns
Sep 10th, 2015 at 3:36pm
 
The Greens have introduced a bill to reclassify lever action shotguns into Category C which has pump action and semi auto shotguns.

I can't see why anyone with a Cat C licence would buy a lever action shotgun when they can have a semi auto or pump action shotgun, the semi auto shotguns are far more popular with Cat C because they have less recoil than all other shotguns.

The bill from David Shoebridge-
www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/nswbills.nsf/0/8F7AF10BF0ABC11BCA257EAC0...

There are thousands of lever action shotguns in Australia which have been Category A since 1996, is the government going to buyback these lever action shotguns that people will no longer be able to own?

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Ground shooting feral pigs
Equipment
-12 gauge shotguns with heavy shot sizes of SG or SSG,may be effective,but only up to a distance of 20m from target animal.
www.pestsmart.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/PIG003_ground-shooting_web.pdf


There have been no recorded crimes with lever action shotguns in Australia, what justification apart from hoplophobia do the greens have to justify taking thousands of lever action shotguns from people who legally own them?

Mr Shoebridge claims it is a community safety bill, the only people allowed to buy them have been judged as a fit and proper person by the commissioner of police who are no danger to public safety, this is a fact from the firearms act 1996.




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Re: Greens bill to ban lever action shotguns
Reply #1 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 4:09pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 3:36pm:
... what justification ... do the greens have to justify taking thousands of lever action shotguns from people who legally own them?



Less firearms in the community is a good thing.

Well done, Greens.

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Reply #2 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 4:31pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 4:09pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 3:36pm:
... what justification ... do the greens have to justify taking thousands of lever action shotguns from people who legally own them?



Less firearms in the community is a good thing.

Well done, Greens.




Strange how we have more fire arms in the community than we did before the nazis forced the states to implement the gun laws and yet no mass shootings. We still have mass murder, just not with guns.

Wonder how that works, more guns, less mass shootings.

Surely you would have a ready made lie to tell us how this works.


Here a hint on the reality of the situation, we had an excess of deranged lunatics with guns, the guns were and still are irrelevant, it is and always has been who had the guns.


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Re: Greens bill to ban lever action shotguns
Reply #3 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 5:09pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 4:09pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 3:36pm:
... what justification ... do the greens have to justify taking thousands of lever action shotguns from people who legally own them?



Less firearms in the community is a good thing.

Well done, Greens.



nothing they are proposing will reduce the number of firearms , they simply want to shuffle the deck chairs
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Reply #4 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 6:12pm
 
Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 5:09pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 4:09pm:
Less firearms in the community is a good thing.

Well done, Greens.



nothing they are proposing will reduce the number of firearms


"... is the government going to buyback these lever action shotguns that people will no longer be able to own?

" ... what justification ... do the greens have to justify taking thousands of lever action shotguns from people who legally own them?"


Less guns in the community = good.

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Reply #5 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 6:55pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 6:12pm:
Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 5:09pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 4:09pm:
Less firearms in the community is a good thing.

Well done, Greens.



nothing they are proposing will reduce the number of firearms


"... is the government going to buyback these lever action shotguns that people will no longer be able to own?

" ... what justification ... do the greens have to justify taking thousands of lever action shotguns from people who legally own them?"


Less guns in the community = good.



So how about answering the questions peccahead.

You appear impotent on reducing gun numbers peccahead, gun numbers have risen to their highest ever levels while gun crime has decreased to its lowest ever levels.

Did you know our Miss World Tess Alexander likes guns.
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Miss World Australia Tess Alexander is a gun toting glamazon....
www.couriermail.com.au/entertainment/confidential/miss-world-australia-tess-alex...


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Re: Greens bill to ban lever action shotguns
Reply #6 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 9:32pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 6:12pm:
Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 5:09pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 4:09pm:
Less firearms in the community is a good thing.

Well done, Greens.



nothing they are proposing will reduce the number of firearms


"... is the government going to buyback these lever action shotguns that people will no longer be able to own?

" ... what justification ... do the greens have to justify taking thousands of lever action shotguns from people who legally own them?"


Less guns in the community = good.




you haven't explained how that results in less firearms? I have a friend who bought a 5 shot lever action just yesterday, if they change the classification, he'll sell it and replace it with a double barrel shotgun (which was what he had before this) or upgrade his license.

end result, he'll still have a gun
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Reply #7 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 10:02pm
 
Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 9:32pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 6:12pm:
Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 5:09pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 4:09pm:
Less firearms in the community is a good thing.

Well done, Greens.



nothing they are proposing will reduce the number of firearms


"... is the government going to buyback these lever action shotguns that people will no longer be able to own?

" ... what justification ... do the greens have to justify taking thousands of lever action shotguns from people who legally own them?"


Less guns in the community = good.




you haven't explained how that results in less firearms? I have a friend who bought a 5 shot lever action just yesterday, if they change the classification, he'll sell it and replace it with a double barrel shotgun (which was what he had before this) or upgrade his license.

end result, he'll still have a gun


Gun laws are a state issue and this idiocy comes from the latte sipping inner city  greens who want to ban drug sniffer dogs,Senator Lee Rhianon's son was busted dealing drugs a few years after she started pushing to ban drug sniffer dogs.

This will not affect those outside of NSW unless they try to bring their 100% legal lever action shotguns in their home state to NSW.
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Reply #8 - Sep 10th, 2015 at 11:09pm
 
Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 9:32pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 6:12pm:
Johnsmith wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 5:09pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 4:09pm:
Less firearms in the community is a good thing.

Well done, Greens.



nothing they are proposing will reduce the number of firearms


"... is the government going to buyback these lever action shotguns that people will no longer be able to own?

" ... what justification ... do the greens have to justify taking thousands of lever action shotguns from people who legally own them?"


Less guns in the community = good.




you haven't explained how that results in less firearms?




"... is the government going to buyback these lever action shotguns that people will no longer be able to own?"

When they buy them back, they destroy them.

When a gun is destroyed, it doesn't exist any more.

Thus, less firearms.

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Re: Greens bill to ban lever action shotguns
Reply #9 - Sep 11th, 2015 at 9:08am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 11:09pm:
When they buy them back, they destroy them.

When a gun is destroyed, it doesn't exist any more.

Thus, less firearms.



you're assuming that the shooters will just give up their sport ... that's a mistake. They'll simply replace the lever action with another gun
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Reply #10 - Sep 11th, 2015 at 9:24am
 
Johnsmith wrote on Sep 11th, 2015 at 9:08am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 11:09pm:
When they buy them back, they destroy them.

When a gun is destroyed, it doesn't exist any more.

Thus, less firearms.



you're assuming that the shooters will just give up their sport ... that's a mistake. They'll simply replace the lever action with another gun



No, I'm not assuming that at all.

They might buy another ten guns, for all I know.

However, the gun that was destroyed reduces the total number of guns in existence by one.

Less guns = good.
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Reply #11 - Sep 11th, 2015 at 9:54am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11th, 2015 at 9:24am:
Johnsmith wrote on Sep 11th, 2015 at 9:08am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 11:09pm:
When they buy them back, they destroy them.

When a gun is destroyed, it doesn't exist any more.

Thus, less firearms.



you're assuming that the shooters will just give up their sport ... that's a mistake. They'll simply replace the lever action with another gun



No, I'm not assuming that at all.

They might buy another ten guns, for all I know.

However, the gun that was destroyed reduces the total number of guns in existence by one.

Less guns = good.




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But never let facts get in the way of what you believe now will you.



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Reply #12 - Sep 11th, 2015 at 9:57am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 11th, 2015 at 9:54am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11th, 2015 at 9:24am:
Johnsmith wrote on Sep 11th, 2015 at 9:08am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 11:09pm:
When they buy them back, they destroy them.

When a gun is destroyed, it doesn't exist any more.

Thus, less firearms.



you're assuming that the shooters will just give up their sport ... that's a mistake. They'll simply replace the lever action with another gun



No, I'm not assuming that at all.

They might buy another ten guns, for all I know.

However, the gun that was destroyed reduces the total number of guns in existence by one.

Less guns = good.




You really scoffed down a big bowl of stupid this morning didn't you?  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


But never let facts get in the way of what you believe now will you.






If a gun is bought back and then destroyed, that reduces the total number of guns by one.  Fact.

What part of that are you struggling to understand?

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Reply #13 - Sep 11th, 2015 at 10:10am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11th, 2015 at 9:57am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 11th, 2015 at 9:54am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11th, 2015 at 9:24am:
Johnsmith wrote on Sep 11th, 2015 at 9:08am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 10th, 2015 at 11:09pm:
When they buy them back, they destroy them.

When a gun is destroyed, it doesn't exist any more.

Thus, less firearms.



you're assuming that the shooters will just give up their sport ... that's a mistake. They'll simply replace the lever action with another gun



No, I'm not assuming that at all.

They might buy another ten guns, for all I know.

However, the gun that was destroyed reduces the total number of guns in existence by one.

Less guns = good.




You really scoffed down a big bowl of stupid this morning didn't you?  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


But never let facts get in the way of what you believe now will you.






If a gun is bought back and then destroyed, that reduces the total number of guns by one.  Fact.

What part of that are you struggling to understand?




So long as no more guns a purchased then and only then is that true.

But 1 - 1 + 20 is not -1

Grade 3 math something you should have stayed awake for.

This is why the buyback is total horsesh1t and has nothing at all to do with the current lack of gun massacres.

There are more guns now that there were prior to the buy back and all current massacres are gun free massacres in this country.

So less guns = delusion of simple minds

We need less mental deficients in society not less guns, as it is crazys who kill people, with or without guns.



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Re: Greens bill to ban lever action shotguns
Reply #14 - Sep 11th, 2015 at 10:16am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 11th, 2015 at 10:10am:
So long as no more guns a purchased then and only then is that true.




Incorrect.

A gun still exists, whether it's in a gun store or in someone's private house.

The act of exchanging money doesn't increase or decrease the amount of guns in existence.

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