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Panther Gold Member Offline My Heart beats True for the Red White & Blue... Posts: 11116 Gender:	Re: GUN LAWS -- Australian Law vs. American Law Reply #30 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:43pm On the subject of Semi-Automatics, in America it might go this way: Makes perfect sense, no?
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Reply #31 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:49pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:50am:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:22am:

No valid argument or meaningful contribution (I guess??) Hot_Breath is just a Troll.... http://imgur.com/MmJgF7o.gif http://imgur.com/wgENiib.jpg

We should ignore the trolls.

The opening posts allows suggested legislation on either continent - suggesting a ban on both is a valid suggestion.

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Reply #32 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 5:14pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

Panther wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:50am:

|dev|null wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:22am:

No valid argument or meaningful contribution (I guess??) Hot_Breath is just a Troll.... http://imgur.com/MmJgF7o.gif http://imgur.com/wgENiib.jpg

We should ignore the trolls.

The opening posts allows suggested legislation on either continent - suggesting a ban on both is a valid suggestion.

So, go for it.

HB has forfeited his right to me reading his trollish swill, so what he posts is his business...I just won't see a word.

From time to time I might secretly remove him from my personal ignore script to see if he's mended his trollish ways, & if he has I'll consider leaving him off my personal ignore, until then I can't see anything he posts unless someone quotes him. I've yet to resolve that little issue, but it's on my to do list. Wink

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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: GUN LAWS -- Australian Law vs. American Law Reply #33 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 5:31pm Panther wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:43pm: On the subject of Semi-Automatics, in America it might go this way: http://i.imgur.com/PBz5EQO.jpg Makes perfect sense, no? Obviously her kids didnt go to Columbine or Sandy hook,
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Reply #34 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 5:34pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:26pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:24pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:22pm:

[quote author=Eugene link=1439250768/22#22 date=1439273776]What's the Japanese record for Sarin gas murders?

I'm sure no place else in the world can equal it.

How's the suicide rate in Japan these days?

Even when they had plenty of guns the knife or the rope were the favourite methods.

Last year the average was 70 suicides per day in Japan.

The worst Sarin attack in recent times was in Iraq, Monsieur Hussein, against the Kurds.

12 people died in the Japanese sarin gas attack. Want me to list all the mass shooting in america with a death toll higher than that? irrelevant anyway.

Suicide rate is 50% higher than the US, currently ranked 17th in world. Relevance.

RELEVANCE ?

Japan has very few guns so why is the suicide rate so high, if we listen to the hoplophobes banning guns is all you need to take care of the suicide problem.

I talking about murder rates, not suicide rates. getting rid of guns does reduce suicide mortality rates, but nowhere near as much as it effects murder rates,

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Reply #35 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 5:45pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 5:34pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:26pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:24pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:22pm:

[quote author=Eugene link=1439250768/22#22 date=1439273776]What's the Japanese record for Sarin gas murders?

I'm sure no place else in the world can equal it.

How's the suicide rate in Japan these days?

Even when they had plenty of guns the knife or the rope were the favourite methods.

Last year the average was 70 suicides per day in Japan.

The worst Sarin attack in recent times was in Iraq, Monsieur Hussein, against the Kurds.

12 people died in the Japanese sarin gas attack. Want me to list all the mass shooting in america with a death toll higher than that? irrelevant anyway.

Suicide rate is 50% higher than the US, currently ranked 17th in world. Relevance.

RELEVANCE ?

Japan has very few guns so why is the suicide rate so high, if we listen to the hoplophobes banning guns is all you need to take care of the suicide problem.

I talking about murder rates, not suicide rates. getting rid of guns does reduce suicide mortality rates, but nowhere near as much as it effects murder rates,

If Japan got rid of the few guns they have how will that reduce their suicide rate?

Australia reduced firearm murder rates while increasing legal ownership of guns, in Australia more guns has resulted in less firearm crimes.

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Reply #36 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 6:31pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 5:34pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:26pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:24pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:22pm:

[quote author=Eugene link=1439250768/22#22 date=1439273776]What's the Japanese record for Sarin gas murders?

I'm sure no place else in the world can equal it.

How's the suicide rate in Japan these days?

Even when they had plenty of guns the knife or the rope were the favourite methods.

Last year the average was 70 suicides per day in Japan.

The worst Sarin attack in recent times was in Iraq, Monsieur Hussein, against the Kurds.

12 people died in the Japanese sarin gas attack. Want me to list all the mass shooting in america with a death toll higher than that? irrelevant anyway.

Suicide rate is 50% higher than the US, currently ranked 17th in world. Relevance.

RELEVANCE ?

Japan has very few guns so why is the suicide rate so high, if we listen to the hoplophobes banning guns is all you need to take care of the suicide problem.

I talking about murder rates, not suicide rates. getting rid of guns does reduce suicide mortality rates, but nowhere near as much as it effects murder rates,

It almost eliminates gun related accidents.

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Reply #37 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 6:41pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 5:34pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:26pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:24pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:22pm:

[quote author=Eugene link=1439250768/22#22 date=1439273776]What's the Japanese record for Sarin gas murders?

I'm sure no place else in the world can equal it.

How's the suicide rate in Japan these days?

Even when they had plenty of guns the knife or the rope were the favourite methods.

Last year the average was 70 suicides per day in Japan.

The worst Sarin attack in recent times was in Iraq, Monsieur Hussein, against the Kurds.

12 people died in the Japanese sarin gas attack. Want me to list all the mass shooting in america with a death toll higher than that? irrelevant anyway.

Suicide rate is 50% higher than the US, currently ranked 17th in world. Relevance.

RELEVANCE ?

Japan has very few guns so why is the suicide rate so high, if we listen to the hoplophobes banning guns is all you need to take care of the suicide problem.

I talking about murder rates, not suicide rates. getting rid of guns does reduce suicide mortality rates, but nowhere near as much as it effects murder rates,

It almost eliminates gun related accidents.

When you look at unintentional gun deaths (accidents) the numbers are fairly low.
2007- 4 deaths
2008 - 5
2009- 7
2010- 11
2011- 7
2012- 4
Those numbers are not just from hunters/target shooters it includes Police,security guards and Prison officers

Nearly 2000 people die every year from accidental falls

How many people die from rock fishing every year which is one of the more dangerous pastimes?

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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: GUN LAWS -- Australian Law vs. American Law Reply #38 - Aug 11^th, 2015 at 8:47pm deleted due to a lack of ability to compose a cogent statement. long lloonngg day at work.
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Reply #40 - Aug 12^th, 2015 at 10:15am

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

If Japan got rid of the few guns they have how will that reduce their suicide rate?

Japanese society is too high-pressure, which is why they have a relatively high suicide rate.

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Australia reduced firearm murder rates while increasing legal ownership of guns, in Australia more guns has resulted in less firearm crimes.

Different firearms Baron. Different firearms. No semi-automatic guns = no gun massacres. Funny that. Grin

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Reply #41 - Aug 12^th, 2015 at 7:53pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 6:31pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 5:34pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:26pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:24pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:22pm:

[quote author=Eugene link=1439250768/22#22 date=1439273776]What's the Japanese record for Sarin gas murders?

I'm sure no place else in the world can equal it.

How's the suicide rate in Japan these days?

Even when they had plenty of guns the knife or the rope were the favourite methods.

Last year the average was 70 suicides per day in Japan.

The worst Sarin attack in recent times was in Iraq, Monsieur Hussein, against the Kurds.

12 people died in the Japanese sarin gas attack. Want me to list all the mass shooting in america with a death toll higher than that? irrelevant anyway.

Suicide rate is 50% higher than the US, currently ranked 17th in world. Relevance.

RELEVANCE ?

Japan has very few guns so why is the suicide rate so high, if we listen to the hoplophobes banning guns is all you need to take care of the suicide problem.

I talking about murder rates, not suicide rates. getting rid of guns does reduce suicide mortality rates, but nowhere near as much as it effects murder rates,

It almost eliminates gun related accidents.

When you look at unintentional gun deaths (accidents) the numbers are fairly low.
2007- 4 deaths
2008 - 5
2009- 7
2010- 11
2011- 7
2012- 4
Those numbers are not just from hunters/target shooters it includes Police,security guards and Prison officers

Nearly 2000 people die every year from accidental falls

How many people die from rock fishing every year which is one of the more dangerous pastimes?

I would guess those are Australian numbers where guns are largely restricted.

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Reply #42 - Aug 12^th, 2015 at 10:29pm

"Different firearms Baron. Different firearms. No semi-automatic guns = no gun massacres. Funny that. Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin"

Funny that, as some bolt action rifles can be fired faster than some semi-automatics, its the rate at which the gun can be fired that matters not the type of mechanism.

I recently was timed firing 15 aimed shots (that all hit the target) in one minute from a single shot rifle; mind you, I had been practicing.

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Reply #43 - Aug 13^th, 2015 at 12:34pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 12^th, 2015 at 10:29pm:

"Different firearms Baron. Different firearms. No semi-automatic guns = no gun massacres. Funny that. Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin"

Funny that, as some bolt action rifles can be fired faster than some semi-automatics, its the rate at which the gun can be fired that matters not the type of mechanism.

I recently was timed firing 15 aimed shots (that all hit the target) in one minute from a single shot rifle; mind you, I had been practicing.

And how often have gun nuts who commit massacres spent the time and effort to practice? They use semi-automatic rifles for a reason, cause they are light, easy and affordable.

Care to point out a gun massacre committed in Australia in the last ~20 years which was committed with a bolt action rifle? Grin

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Reply #44 - Aug 13^th, 2015 at 3:03pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 12:34pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 12^th, 2015 at 10:29pm:

"Different firearms Baron. Different firearms. No semi-automatic guns = no gun massacres. Funny that. Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin"

Funny that, as some bolt action rifles can be fired faster than some semi-automatics, its the rate at which the gun can be fired that matters not the type of mechanism.

I recently was timed firing 15 aimed shots (that all hit the target) in one minute from a single shot rifle; mind you, I had been practicing.

And how often have gun nuts who commit massacres spent the time and effort to practice? They use semi-automatic rifles for a reason, cause they are light, easy and affordable.

Care to point out a gun massacre committed in Australia in the last ~20 years which was committed with a bolt action rifle? Grin

Have there been any mass shootings which didn't use self loaders?

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