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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #180 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:21pm
 
Yadda wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:14pm:
The Old Testament records God sending the Hebrews to kill those who defiled God's land, WITH THEIR WICKEDNESS.

But of course, the God of the Old Testament is only a 'fairy tale' God.

And the Hebrews had no right to kill anyone.


Are you kidding me? read Joshua again
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Reply #181 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:25pm
 
Stratos wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 9:57pm:
Yadda wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 9:53pm:
What are you, a lapsed Catholic ?


Reformed Presbyterian actually

So when Hebrews 10:25 tell Christians not to stop meeting together and 1 Corinthians 12 talks about every person being a small part of the body of Christ, that was wrong was it?




No that was not wrong Stratos.




Stratos,

And when Jesus said this.....

Matthew 20:25
But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26 But it shall not be so among you:
but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

and this....

Matthew 6:5
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.


....was Jesus giving a sanction for a church hierarchy, for church men to rule over and to have dominion over HIS servants ?






"The Bible will keep you from sin, or sin will keep you from the Bible."

Dwight L. Moody (American Evangelist, 1837-1899)


John 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


Psalms 119:2
Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #182 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:28pm
 
Yadda wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 9:48pm:
Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 8:46pm:
Sure!

Find something in the New Testament that exhorts the killing of unbelievers.


Why don't you want to include The Old Testament, Lionel?  Afterall, it is an integral part of Christianity's holy book and belief system.





Read it Brian.


I have Yadda and it is full of a great deal of intolerance and hatred.
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Reply #183 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:36pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:19pm:
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Just WHY do people have to tolerate and accept Islam??
Why can't people just reject it and hold it in utter contempt, as they do with Scientology, voodoo, sado-masochism, satanism, cannibalism, Christianity, secularism, Judaism, Hinduism???


This little thing called "Freedom of Religion"?




You mean moslems must have the "Freedom of Religion", to slit my throat, if i offend/insult moslems, by rejecting THEIR authority over my life.

The right of a moslem, to practice his religion, includes the right of moslems, to murder those who offend/insult ISLAM, BECAUSE THEY [the non-moslems], DO NOT BELIEVE AS THEY [the moslems] DO.

Just try it [i.e. murder].

Oh yes, moslems are trying it on, all ready.








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Sydney CBD, 2012, moslem street protests.




WHAT DOES THAT IMAGE [above] DEPICT ?;
1/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation.
2/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation, exercising their lawful right >>> to express <<< their views and opinions, publicly.
3/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation, who are, ALSO, inciting the murder of persons who would dare to PUBLICLY EXPRESS, that they [non-moslems], do not believe as they [moslems] believe.
4/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation, demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
...i.e. their 'right', to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

5/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation, who [by their own PUBLIC DECLARATIONS] are seeking to intimidate [into silence] all other persons who may wish to PUBLICLY EXPRESS, that they [non-moslems], do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

AND #6/ A group of moslems,
religious bigots
, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.








MOSLEMS IN EUROPE, PRETENDING TO BE 'PEACEFUL'......


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London, mainstream moslem street protests.
'Demonstrating' just how rational and 'peaceful' mainstream moslems really are.



THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"

"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"








AND;

Mohamed Morsi-

"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg





Hey moslem, hey moslem in Australia,    
........GO TO HELL !


God bless Israel.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #184 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:37pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 9:48pm:
Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 8:46pm:
Sure!

Find something in the New Testament that exhorts the killing of unbelievers.


Why don't you want to include The Old Testament, Lionel?  Afterall, it is an integral part of Christianity's holy book and belief system.


Let's stick to the New Testament for the moment, eh.

I believe even that predates Muhammed by several centuries. Isn't the Virgin Maryam revered by Islam?

One, Christianity, offers the other cheek - one, Islam, offers the sword to all 'others'. Basically correct?

Next!

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #185 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:43pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:19pm:
This little thing called "Freedom of Religion"?

You just don't seem to realise that if you want your religion or lack of it tolerated, you have to tolerate other religions, Soren.   Roll Eyes



LOL, freedom of religion from the bloke who reckons

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 5:39pm:
I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV.  I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.


Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2013 at 9:11am:
*YAWN*, I don't have to define anything, FD.  The statement, in context means what it means.   I am neither a citizen of or a member of their religion or those nations.  Therefore I have no right to change or criticise either the religion or the nations concerned.   


If you believed in freedom of religion you would not be as cringe worthy spinelessly weeping that you have no right to criticise whilst heads are being hacked off.

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Reply #186 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:45pm
 
Yadda wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:25pm:
No that was not wrong Stratos.


Good grief, of course it wasn't wrong Yadda.  That is the context of the passage: Church is a vital part of being a Christian.  Why are you even debating otherwise?  This isn't controversial in the slightest.
Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:37pm:
Let's stick to the New Testament for the moment, eh.


Brian's point is valid by the way.  Most Christians believe that the Old Testament was written as inspired scripture.  There are differences between the covenants of course, but they are both still revered as the Word of God.

Jesus in fact comes as a fulfillment to the Old Testament scriptures.
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Reply #187 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:49pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:28pm:
Yadda wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 9:48pm:
Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 8:46pm:
Sure!

Find something in the New Testament that exhorts the killing of unbelievers.


Why don't you want to include The Old Testament, Lionel?  Afterall, it is an integral part of Christianity's holy book and belief system.





Read it Brian.


I have Yadda and it is full of a great deal of intolerance and hatred.




.....towards the wicked and the cruel and the oppressors and the common criminals.


brian said.....
"[The Old Testament] ....is full of a great deal of intolerance and hatred."


Proverbs 28:5
Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.i


Oh yeah, Brian, and God also hates those who hate truth.


Jeremiah 9:3
And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.
4  Take ye heed every one of his neighbour, and trust ye not in any brother: for every brother will utterly supplant, and every neighbour will walk with slanders.
5  And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity.
6  Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD.


Did you get that, Brian ?

Through their own lying and deceit, the wicked refuse to know God.




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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #188 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:51pm
 
Yadda wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:28pm:
Yadda wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 9:48pm:
Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 8:46pm:
Sure!

Find something in the New Testament that exhorts the killing of unbelievers.


Why don't you want to include The Old Testament, Lionel?  Afterall, it is an integral part of Christianity's holy book and belief system.





Read it Brian.


I have Yadda and it is full of a great deal of intolerance and hatred.


.....towards the wicked and the cruel and the oppressors and the common criminals.


And those who didn't share the Jews beliefs, Yadda.  Rather like you are intolerant towards Muslims...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #189 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:55pm
 
Yadda wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:49pm:
Proverbs 28:5
Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.


Judgement, what, agsinst an entire people?

Sounds like you are justifying Genocide if you think "judgement" is the answer

Deuteronomy 20

16 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee:
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Reply #190 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 11:01pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:51pm:
Yadda wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:28pm:
Yadda wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 9:48pm:
Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 8:46pm:
Sure!

Find something in the New Testament that exhorts the killing of unbelievers.


Why don't you want to include The Old Testament, Lionel?  Afterall, it is an integral part of Christianity's holy book and belief system.





Read it Brian.


I have Yadda and it is full of a great deal of intolerance and hatred.


.....towards the wicked and the cruel and the oppressors and the common criminals.


And those who didn't share

the Jews beliefs
,

Yadda.  Rather like you are intolerant towards Muslims...   Roll Eyes






You are supposing that God endorses/endorsed [all of] the behaviour of the Jews.

He did not.

God's testimony in the O.T., God's criticism of his people, clearly shows that, Israel and Judah, mostly disobeyed their God, and were castigated by God, in the O.T., for their sins against HIM.

The O.T. is a witness against God's chosen people.






But the laws of Moses, were God's laws given through Moses, to mankind [through God's chosen people].

God's laws, were not, "the Jews beliefs".





Never old.

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Reply #191 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 11:05pm
 
DO pay attention!

We're now talking about the NEW Testament>

You know, the one that predates the Koran.

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Reply #192 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 11:07pm
 
Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 11:05pm:
DO pay attention!

We're now talking about the NEW Testament>

You know, the one that predates the Koran.

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So why did you quote Proverbs?Yadda wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:49pm:
brian said.....
"[The Old Testament] ....is full of a great deal of intolerance and hatred."

Proverbs 28:5
Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.


Also the Old Testament predates the Koran.  Just goes to show what happens when you arne't copy-pasting piles of excrement.

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Reply #193 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 11:12pm
 
Stratos wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:55pm:
Yadda wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:49pm:
Proverbs 28:5
Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.



Judgement, what, agsinst an entire people?

Sounds like you are justifying Genocide if you think "judgement" is the answer



Deuteronomy 20

16 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee:





So.

Do you believe that God will not destroy those who hate his laws and his righteousness ?

Do you think that God is going to kill a few people, maybe ?


Duh ???????



Psalms 9:17
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.



Matthew 24:48
But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49  And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50  The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51  And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.i
Stratos,

If there is any remnant of faith still in your heart, do you imagine that your God, is not a God of judgement ?


Matthew 13:24
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25  But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26  But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27  So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28  He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29  But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Matthew 13:36
Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37  He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38  The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39  The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40  As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.







Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
14  And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15  And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16  And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17  And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18  And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19  And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.


Joel 3:9
Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
10  Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
11  Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.
12  Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
13  Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.


Isaiah 26:21
For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

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Reply #194 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 11:19pm
 
Yadda wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 11:12pm:
So.

Do you believe that God will not destroy those who hate his laws and his righteousness ?

Do you think that God is going to kill a few people, maybe ?


Duh ???????


You are literally, LITERALLY saying genocide is OK for the God of the Bible with this statement
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