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Reply #2280 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 7:29pm
 
Are black people to be held responsible for diseases originating in Africa?
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Reply #2281 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 7:35pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
Are black people to be held responsible for diseases originating in Africa?


Hardly. That's the Muselman too.

We blame Islam, ya?
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Reply #2282 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 8:01pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
Are black people to be held responsible for diseases originating in Africa?


Sounds borderline wacist FD, better not go there. Sure its not blaming white people (the most appallling "blatant" racism as we know), but still...

Its better if you talk about dirty filthy muslims infecting beautiful white women as they rape them.

Have you thought up an acceptable term for diseases that originate from Europe, since we're not allowed to use "European diseases"?
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Reply #2283 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 8:29pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 10th, 2018 at 8:01pm:
Have you thought up an acceptable term for diseases that originate from Europe, since we're not allowed to use "European diseases"?


But of course: Muslim diseases.

Islam is not a race, you know.
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Reply #2284 - Jan 12th, 2018 at 8:37am
 
Quite right karnal...  ISLAM is not a RACE.
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Reply #2285 - Feb 3rd, 2018 at 6:29pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 4:36pm:
Auggie wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 4:30pm:
You asked me the question and I answered it.

My turn. Question: “do you believe the hijab is a symbol of female empowerment?”


No idea.  I am neither female nor Muslim. 

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Reply #2286 - Feb 3rd, 2018 at 9:44pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 4:21pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 4:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:55pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:29pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:11pm:
 So, tell us, Soren, why should all Muslims be treated any differently under Australian law to how all Christians are treated?  Mmmm?   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

Hanson's exact point - NO special consideration or allowances for Muslims.


Most Muslims aren't suggesting any.   All they want is equal treatment.  Equal treatment that you refuse to accord them, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



They HAVE equal treatment. They want Islamic concessions.

Imagine if we treated Muslims in the West as Muslims treat the kufar in Muslim countries. You could squeal then. But not now.


Muslims in Australia do not want unequal treatment, in the main, Soren.  No matter how much you claim that all Muslims seek special treatment, the facts suggest otherwise.   All Muslims desire is that their religion have the equal respect that Christianity/Judaism have.

What is amazing is that you're not attacking Hindus or Buddhists or Sikhs who have asked the same thing, Soren.  Your persecution is centred solely on the Muslims for some reason.  Perhaps it's your Islamophobia?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Reply #2287 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 7:21pm
 
But wait, there's more!

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 5:16pm:
Auggie wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 4:35pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 4:33pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:23pm:
Brian were you being honest when you said you have no right or ability to criticise Islam? If so, why do you always run away from the topic? After all this time, no-one knows why you say such stupid things or what they mean.


Perhaps you need to reorientate your moral compass?   Roll Eyes


Can you provide a specific example of a legitimate criticism of Islam?

If I say that Islamic theology teaches offensive Jihad, is that legitimate criticism?


Augie, you can claim that but the concept of "offensive Jihad" is open to interpretation as are most things in religion.  Some people choose to interpret Mohammed's words as being about offensive operations.  Some don't.   Like all Holy Books, it is what the believer wants to believe that matters.   Some believe in offensive Jihad, some don't.   I know that sounds "wishy-washy" and I don't doubt that this post will earn a place in Freediver's "Apologists" thread but hey, that is how I see it.

You'd be better checking with Gandalf on such matters as he has a much better understanding of Islam than I have.   Ignore what the Islamophobes say though.  They are just making it up as they go along to justify their Islamophobia.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 4:36pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:42pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:16pm:
Brian is it persecuting Muslims to not give Islam "equal respect"?


Persecuting Muslims is not giving Muslims the rights they deserve, FD.   Something you are very good at doing.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


What rights am I denying Muslims Brian? The right to equal respect for Islam?


The rights to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association, Freedom of Religion, FD.   You appear willing to extend those rights to everybody else but not to Muslims.   I wonder why?  Doesn't your Islamophobia prevent you from doing it?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #2288 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:18pm
 
Oh, goody.  Just as I predicted.  Tsk, tsk, Freediver, I don't know why you bother, I really don't.   No attempt to understand an alternative viewpoint at all.   Islamophobe.    Roll Eyes
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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #2289 - Feb 6th, 2018 at 7:59am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:18pm:
Oh, goody.  Just as I predicted.  Tsk, tsk, Freediver, I don't know why you bother, I really don't.   No attempt to understand an alternative viewpoint at all.   Islamophobe.    Roll Eyes


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Whose motto is..."THERE IS NO CORRECT VIEWPOINT EXCEPT MY OWN..."
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Reply #2290 - Feb 6th, 2018 at 12:29pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:14pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
How am I doing that Brian?


By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible.

My question is, why do you do this, Freediver?

When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally.   You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims.  Islamophobe.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 10:54am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:14pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
How am I doing that Brian?


By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible.

My question is, why do you do this, Freediver?

When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally.   You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims.  Islamophobe.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


FD is complicit in attacking freedom by his own standards. He once stated that proponents of freedom who do not stand up against attacks on freedom, are complicit in those attacks. Yet apart from a couple of token defenses of women's right to wear the burqa, the last more than 5 years ago, his response to daily attacks on muslim freedoms - including calls to intern them, deport them and deny them the right to worship - has been to scurry off into witness protection.

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Reply #2291 - Feb 6th, 2018 at 7:27pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 6:50pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 12:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:14pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
How am I doing that Brian?


By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible.

My question is, why do you do this, Freediver?

When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally.   You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims.  Islamophobe.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Are you saying that criticising Muslims is the same as denying them the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion?


Criticism, if it is valid, is OK, FD.  Invalid criticism, based around fear mongering and hatred?  No, that is not OK.

When you work out the difference, we might be able to discuss this more fully.  Until then, I recommend you just keep banging those rocks together, OK?   Roll Eyes

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Is it dawning on you yet how completely idiotic your posts are getting?


Is it dawning on you yet how completely idiotic your posts are getting?   Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:14pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
How am I doing that Brian?


By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible.

My question is, why do you do this, Freediver?

When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally.   You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims.  Islamophobe.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


FD is complicit in attacking freedom by his own standards. He once stated that proponents of freedom who do not stand up against attacks on freedom, are complicit in those attacks. Yet apart from a couple of token defenses of women's right to wear the burqa, the last more than 5 years ago, his response to daily attacks on muslim freedoms - including calls to intern them, deport them and deny them the right to worship - has been to scurry off into witness protection.


Gandalf do you agree with Brian?

How do you go from someone defending freedom of dress to them being complicit in attacks on freedom of dress? Is this the same logic you use in 'interpreting' the Quran?


The point is, FD, that you are assuming that you defending freedom of dress by attacking Muslim women who may well have chosen, themselves, completely independently from men, how they should dress.   You fail to understand that "freedom of dress" means well, freedom to dress how a person likes - which includes dressing in a Burqa if they desire.   You are clearly imposing your views on the person who chooses to dress in that way.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Reply #2292 - Feb 6th, 2018 at 9:41pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:18pm:
Oh, goody.  Just as I predicted.  Tsk, tsk, Freediver, I don't know why you bother, I really don't.   No attempt to understand an alternative viewpoint at all.   Islamophobe.    Roll Eyes

That's  enough arseholery from you, Bwian.

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Reply #2293 - Feb 6th, 2018 at 10:13pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:18pm:
Oh, goody.  Just as I predicted.  Tsk, tsk, Freediver, I don't know why you bother, I really don't.   No attempt to understand an alternative viewpoint at all.   Islamophobe.    Roll Eyes

That's  enough arseholery from you, Bwian.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.  Soren's little child has come out to play with the adults.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #2294 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 12:35pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 10:27pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 7:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 6:50pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 12:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:14pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
How am I doing that Brian?


By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible.

My question is, why do you do this, Freediver?

When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally.   You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims.  Islamophobe.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Are you saying that criticising Muslims is the same as denying them the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion?


Criticism, if it is valid, is OK, FD.  Invalid criticism, based around fear mongering and hatred?  No, that is not OK.


And who decides which criticism is valid? Someone who has no right or ability to criticise Islam?

If you decide my criticism is invalid, does that mean I am denying Muslims the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion?


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  FD, tell me, have you ever accepted any view other than your own about Muslims and Islam?  Any at all?  Have you ever admitted you were wrong in your unending criticism?

I suspect not.

The people who decide whether your criticism is valid or not are your audience.   If you were brave enough, you'd be making your criticisms on an Islamic website, not a non-Islamic one like here.   Then, what sort of reception do you think you'd receive?   The validity of your arguments leave a great deal to be desired.  A great deal.

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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:14pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
How am I doing that Brian?


By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible.

My question is, why do you do this, Freediver?

When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally.   You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims.  Islamophobe.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


FD is complicit in attacking freedom by his own standards. He once stated that proponents of freedom who do not stand up against attacks on freedom, are complicit in those attacks. Yet apart from a couple of token defenses of women's right to wear the burqa, the last more than 5 years ago, his response to daily attacks on muslim freedoms - including calls to intern them, deport them and deny them the right to worship - has been to scurry off into witness protection.


Gandalf do you agree with Brian?

How do you go from someone defending freedom of dress to them being complicit in attacks on freedom of dress? Is this the same logic you use in 'interpreting' the Quran?


The point is, FD, that you are assuming that you defending freedom of dress by attacking Muslim women who may well have chosen, themselves, completely independently from men, how they should dress.   You fail to understand that "freedom of dress" means well, freedom to dress how a person likes - which includes dressing in a Burqa if they desire.   You are clearly imposing your views on the person who chooses to dress in that way.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


How am I attacking them Brian?


By claiming that their decision to wear a Burqa is imposed on them without regard to whether it actually is or not.   You are effectively declaring that their opinion is meaningless.  To you, they are being oppressed.  You've never asked a Muslim woman if she feels she is being oppressed.  You've never asked them if someone made them wear a Burqa.   You have absolutely no idea what is going on in the minds of Muslim women.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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