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Uncle Meat Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2434 Tasmania Gender:	Re: Gay Marriage Support Continues To Rise Reply #60 - Apr 5^th, 2012 at 3:29pm FriYAY wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 3:26pm: Get a life thing, seriously, i'm worried about you. I'll be fine. You need to worry about the traffic you're about to hit.
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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: Gay Marriage Support Continues To Rise Reply #61 - Apr 5^th, 2012 at 3:31pm Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 3:29pm: FriYAY wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 3:26pm: Get a life thing, seriously, i'm worried about you. I'll be fine. You need to worry about the traffic you're about to hit. Gay mardi gras?
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Reply #62 - Apr 5^th, 2012 at 3:32pm

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 3:13pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 3:11pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 3:09pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 3:00pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 2:23pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 2:00pm:

... - this is entirely driven by atheist Political elites and subversives who ASIO should be monitoring. ...

Is that just a subjective opinion, or do you actually have something to substantiate the claim?

I'd be interested in seeing whatever you have.

Plus, what's really behind their agenda? What is it that these "atheist Political elites and subversives" are ultimately trying to achieve? A new world order run by lesbian couples?

It all sounds very intriguing.

Only that I support the natural order of family structure and how it self organizes over hundreds of thousands of years to survive and protect themselves and you are trying to impose changes that rip that apart completely to create a human farm for the sake of the welfare of Atheist and Homo political elites. An unscientific, unnatural nanny state system where children are raised in Nanny State farms and the elderly and disabled must be killed.

What exactly is the natural order ? nature has many different variations of family, from a herd of elephants that act as one unit, to two male dogs going at it like rabbitts ... or are they all going to go go to hell? and don't give me the bibles version of family, families were around in many forms long before the bible was ever conceived ....

How do you know. All the gay families would have died out.

Are you claiming that hetro couples don't have gay kids? or that gay kids are only born to gay parents? hahaha ? How does that work? Think about it next time...

So as in history, you will have 'i was born to such and such' which happen to be a man and a woman', so no I am not claiming what you just said.

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Reply #63 - Apr 5^th, 2012 at 3:35pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

... wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 3:23pm:

ahh but Ive already voluntarily answered that question, and we all know you won't agree with me - so if the purpose of a "legal kinship" is not to provide a stable environemnt for the raising of children - what is the point?

Surely wirting a will would be much easier than rewriting the definition of a tradition that predates civilization itself?

Sounds fine to me.

Let's do away with marriage altogether and just make sure every one has a will.

Either that, or make the institution available to everyone.

As long as no one gets hurt.

Definitions get rewritten all the time, by the way. It's nothing to be scared of.

The instituion IS available to everyone. Gay people have exactly the same right as everyone else to enter into marriage - marriage having forever been known to be the union of a man and a woman. If that doesn't sound appealing, the answer is simple - don't do it.
Where is the logic in demanding to be allowed to do soemthing, that you don't want to do anyway?

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Reply #64 - Apr 5^th, 2012 at 3:55pm

The state has no right to legally redefine family which predates the State and impose unnatural, unscientific ideological values on the whole of society and the way it functions for the sake of a few Homosexual atheists with delusions of grandeur, state farms,Euthanasia and world Government. That is not the natural order of things. families organize to protect themselves to survive. Atheistic socialism works to destroy it. Changing the whole family system for the sake of homosexuals is not an option, the homosexual must be disowned or we are all screwed.

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Reply #65 - Apr 5^th, 2012 at 4:09pm

... wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 3:35pm:

The instituion IS available to everyone.

It's available to every individual, however, it's not available to same sex couples (to marry each other).

Therefore, simply extend marriage to same sex couples.

That way they can create a kinship and receive all the legal benefits that married heterosexual couples receive.

How would that create a problem?

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Reply #66 - Apr 5^th, 2012 at 4:11pm

FriYAY wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 3:31pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 3:29pm:

FriYAY wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 3:26pm:

Get a life thing, seriously, i'm worried about you. Undecided

I'll be fine.

You need to worry about the traffic you're about to hit.

Gay mardi gras?

Really?

I thought you were going fishing at the lake.

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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: Gay Marriage Support Continues To Rise Reply #67 - Apr 5^th, 2012 at 4:13pm Just don't let 'em have kids.
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Uncle Meat Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2434 Tasmania Gender:	Re: Gay Marriage Support Continues To Rise Reply #68 - Apr 5^th, 2012 at 4:13pm corporate_whitey wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 3:55pm: The state has no right to legally redefine family which predates the State ... You're quite mistaken there. They have every right to do that. Are you not familiar with how governments work, and what they do?
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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Gay Marriage Support Continues To Rise Reply #69 - Apr 5^th, 2012 at 4:14pm Homosexual marriage = patricide and matricide and children raised in socialist state farms as economic consumers and servants for the Homo/Atheist elite. The state has no right to attack the natural organization of the institution of family and redefine it...
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Reply #70 - Apr 5^th, 2012 at 4:19pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

The state has no right to attack the natural organization of the institution of family and redefine it...

It's not actually an "attack" on "the natural organization of the institution of family". Moreover, it's not being pushed by the state.

Things change, and laws change accordingly.

It's nothing to be scared of.

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Reply #71 - Apr 5^th, 2012 at 4:23pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

The state has no right to attack the natural organization of the institution of family and redefine it...

It's not actually an "attack" on "the natural organization of the institution of family". Moreover, it's not being pushed by the state.

Things change, and laws change accordingly.

It's nothing to be scared of.

These changes are the result of political conspiracy of a few dangerous individuals who in the natural order of things are put out and disowned by their parents because they are a threat to the wellbeing and survival of the family.

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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Gay Marriage Support Continues To Rise Reply #72 - Apr 5^th, 2012 at 4:31pm A Homosexual is a traitor to his parents, narcissistic and with delusions of grandeur.
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Reply #73 - Apr 5^th, 2012 at 4:31pm

Uncle Meat wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 4:09pm:

... wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 3:35pm:

The instituion IS available to everyone.

It's available to every individual, however, it's not available to same sex couples (to marry each other).

Therefore, simply extend marriage to same sex couples.

That way they can create a kinship and receive all the legal benefits that married heterosexual couples receive.

How would that create a problem?

Nicely edited. Handy. Wink

Why should only jewish boys get to have a bar mitzvah?

Why should only people who've completed school get to graduate?

Why can't I play in the AFL?

The answer to all is that they don't meet the "selection criteria."

If everybody had a bar mitzvah, it'd lose it's significance for jewish boys.

If everybody could graduate regardless of whether they qualify, it loses it's significance for those who do.

If everybody who wanted to, was given a spot on an AFL team, it wouldn't be to an elite standard anymore.

Theres' nothign wrong with certain groups having their own customs, traditions and practices. Quite why everyone needs to be "included" in other peoples business is the big question.

Want a bar mitzvah but aren't jewish? start a similar practice but call it soemthing else.

feel left out when your school friends are garduating but you dropped out 1 year ago? Have your own party.

Want to play AFL but aren't good enough? Play in the local amateur league.

When everyone is "special", nobody is.

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Reply #74 - Apr 5^th, 2012 at 4:33pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Apr 5^th, 2012 at 4:23pm:

These changes are the result of political conspiracy of a few dangerous individuals who in the natural order of things are put out and disowned by their parents because they are a threat to the wellbeing and survival of the family.

If that's true, I'd be quite concerned.

Do you have any evidence to support that claim though?

Don't ignore the question this time. You've raised a legitimate concern and I'm fully prepared to listen to your argument. All we need now is some evidence - do you have any? Any at all?

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