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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: does Islam equate sex and rape? Reply #135 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 12:58am How stark a contrast the reality is from the bovine faeces peddled by the enemies of truth.
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Reply #136 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:01am

Emma wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 12:32am:

I wonder where all this will lead, and where it will end.. Sad

From posts above I myself am a woman who has disrespected the teachings of Mohammed.. (supposedly)..!?? so any moslem male can feel righteous ....raping me....if he ever got the chance.!!

You need to see a psychiatrist. There is no basis for you claims, and they indicate a sick demented mind.

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Reply #137 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:13am

Emma wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 12:51am:

Min. punishment, death by stoning......
Bit hard to add those other punishments... Hmmm perhaps not...after all, you can always cut off an arm or '?' ...flog 'm , hang 'm up , and let everyone stone them to death.

Nobody said the stoning would have to come first.

Emma wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 12:51am:

BUT has it EVER???

Presuming a rapist cannot be a woman, who victim or not, is readily condemned .. Sad

Somalia : Al Shabab stone a man to death for rape

Al Shabaab issued a statement that reported the group’s public stoning to death of an alleged rapist in Berdaale in Bay region in southern Somalia on December 10.

The statement says that the 30-year-old man, Adam Isaac Adam, raped a Muslim girl at knife-point.

He confessed to his crime and was then sentenced to death.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/7617885-somalia-al-shabab-stone-a-man-to-death-for-rape

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: does Islam equate sex and rape? Reply #138 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:18am True??? So I haven't engaged your just wrath.?? That is a relief I have to say. appreciate the pics of the stonee too.
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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: does Islam equate sex and rape? Reply #139 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:22am I find behavior of Muslims & Arabs to women and to victims like you see in Somalia,, it makes me very sad how they are treated by Islamist groups in Arab world,, They should hold shame,
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: does Islam equate sex and rape? Reply #140 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:22am errrrrrrrrrr BUT the name of the man stoned to death was clearly NOT a muslim name. So this man condemned to death by stoning was a Christian.??? AFRAID this doesn't SUPPORT your case.!
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: does Islam equate sex and rape? Reply #141 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:25am Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:22am: I find behavior of Muslims & Arabs to women and to victims like you see in Somalia,, it makes me very sad how they are treated by Islamist groups in Arab world,, They should hold shame, I do so agree.
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Reply #142 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:55am

Emma wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:22am:

errrrrrrrrrr
BUT the name of the man stoned to death was clearly NOT a muslim name. So this man condemned to death by stoning was a Christian.???
AFRAID this doesn't SUPPORT your case.! Roll Eyes

Are you that ignorant? I know many Muslims named Adam. Adam is the name of a revered prophet in Islam. The name "Adam" appears 25 times in the Quran.

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Reply #143 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 2:03am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:22am:

I find behavior of Muslims & Arabs to women and to victims like you see in Somalia,,

it makes me very sad how they are treated by Islamist groups in Arab world,,

They should hold shame,

Oh really? Jews treat women with respect do they?

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Orthodox Israelis Spit On Whorish 8-Year-Old Girl For Going To School

http://cache.jezebel.com/assets/images/39/2011/12/81fbf00c2f4a2a164944624b57f131...

An American girl attempting to walk to her Jewish school in Israel is subjected to daily taunting and physical intimidation so bad that she says it makes her afraid to go to school. Her tormenters aren't fellow children, but rather adult men upset by the presence of the "immodest" girls attending school in their ultra-Orthodox neighborhood. And now, the town's male residents are clashing with police and media over their the gender integration they say insults their faith. Eight-year-old girls can be such whores.

The case of 8-year-old Naama Margolese, who was born in Chicago, has upset some Israelis, and for good reason. She says she's afraid to walk to her all-girls school in Beit Shemesh, near Jerusalem, because of taunting from Ultra-Orthodox men. They spit on her, call her a whore, throw rocks, and shout at her. As a result, Naama says her "tummy hurts" when she walks to school.

Not that it should matter, but Margolese isn't full glitzing down the street in a Nicki Minaj outfit, gaily skipping off to Toddlers & Tiaras & Kippahs school during these impromptu stoning sessions; she's walking to an Orthodox all girls' school in her uniform, which consists of a long skirt, a high-necked, long sleeved shirt. But the clothing of Naama and her classmates, modest by nearly any other standard, are not modest enough for the Ultra-Orthodox Jewish men of Beit Shemesh. Parents attempting to escort their daughters to the school are also subjected to the same treatment.

In recent months, tension between the secular, Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox Jews in Beit Shemesh have escalated, especially with the erection of an all-girls school the Ultra-Orthodox say is encroachment on their beliefs. The community has erected signs warning sidewalk walkers to remain separated by gender and deployed "modesty patrols" designed to make sure the natural sluttery of women is kept in check

http://jezebel.com/5871293/orthodox-israelis-spit-on-whorish-8+year+old-girl-for...

Jewish laws and regulations concerning menstruating women are extremely restrictive. The Old Testament considers any menstruating woman as unclean and impure. Moreover, her impurity "infects" others as well. Anyone or anything she touches becomes unclean for a day: "When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening. Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. Whoever touches her bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whoever touches anything she sits on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, he will be unclean till evening" (Lev. 15:19-23)

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falah Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3162	Re: does Islam equate sex and rape? Reply #144 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 2:05am Emma wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 12:51am: Presuming a rapist cannot be a woman Presume not! Mum charged with rape of own daughter after allegedly inviting man she met on internet into her home http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/mum-charged-with-rape-of-own-daugh...
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Reply #145 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 2:51am

This should not devolve into an argument about who is more barbarous in the treatment of women, Muslims or Jews. That entirely misses the point.
As for the 'News' that women can also be sexual abusers....not news, and the example you so helpfully provide is irrelevant in the context..

And your exposure of Jewish extreme orthodoxy, is no more surprising to me than your own particular brand of religious persecution of women.

I MUST SAY --

NONE OF IT IS ACCEPTABLE, APPROPRIATE OR VALID.

NONE of IT!! NOT A JOT.! NO CRUMB of CREDIBILITY EXISTS IN EITHER LOONINESS.

saying/pointing to your opposite as justification for your own actions is craven and self-defeating. And the postings are becoming very tiresome.

It's a bit like hmmm the Gatling gun - spew out enough bullets that some might hit a target.!!
Not a reference you are familiar with?? Hmmm?

I will say here and now ... my position is this.........

ANY FUNDAMENTALIST RELIGIOUS ACTIVISTS constitute a real danger to social cohesion in any State you wish to point at.
Of that I am convinced. And, there isn't much I believe in.!!

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Reply #146 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 7:45am

Falah, thanks for giving a detailed response. It only took 8 pages. Unfortunately, your responses only raise more questions than they answer, given your tendency to contradict yourself.

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The only consensual sex recognised in Islam is that which occurs between a man married to a woman.

What about slaves?

Can you tell the difference between legal and consensual? Or is this yet another example of Muslims redefining words so you cannot even ask them a question?

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Do you have alearning disability or something? I have been telling you that stoning would be the minimum punishment, and that there would be more punishments on top of that, but you somehow think that the punishment would be less. Amazing.

I can only go by what you say Falah. When you first responded, you left out stoning altogether as a punishment for rape. You later claimed that there are no additional punishments on top of stoning.

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I will state it for the last time: Punishment for a married rapist is death by stoning, and a fine, and other punishments to be decided by the judge such as floggings, amputations, crucifixions, etc.

Are you making this up as you go along? Can you explain how someone can be crucified and stoned?

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Yes, if the crime was witnessed by at least four people

Falah, why does rape need at least four witnesses for a conviction? I thought this only applied to consensual sex?

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Reply #147 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:07am

3. And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan-girls, then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (the captives and the slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice.

4. And give to the women (whom you marry) their Mahr (obligatory bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) with a good heart, but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, take it, and enjoy it without fear of any harm (as Allah has made it lawful).

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Reply #148 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:27am

Emma wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 2:51am:

This should not devolve into an argument about who is more barbarous in the treatment of women, Muslims or Jews.

You left out "or Western Christians/Secularists". After all, a great deal of the barbarity against women is committed right here in your own backyard, yet you seem oblivious to it.

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Reply #149 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:47am

falah wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 2:03am:

Jewish laws and regulations concerning menstruating women are extremely restrictive. The Old Testament considers any menstruating woman as unclean and impure. Moreover, her impurity "infects" others as well. Anyone or anything she touches becomes unclean for a day: "When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening. Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. Whoever touches her bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whoever touches anything she sits on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, he will be unclean till evening" (Lev. 15:19-23)

Interesting that this otherwise irrelevant post from galah (one of many) is almost identical in content to a number of comments he made to me in another thread. So it seems that the attitudes of Islam and Judaism to menstruating women is pretty much the same.

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