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Ahmed Takes Heroic Stand Against Alcohol Sponsors
Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 3:31pm

Muslim spinner given leave to keep a sponsor off his back

Fawad Ahmed will raise a hard-earned thirst in the one-day cricket series against England this week, but he will not promote the product his teammates will as a way to quench it.

Ahmed, one of two Australian Muslims to play on the ''VB Tour of England'', was picked for the five-game limited overs series after he made his debut in the Twenty20 series last week.

The spin bowler...''expressed discomfort'' about wearing the logo of one of Cricket Australia's two major sponsors because, on religious grounds, he does not associate with alcohol.

Mike McKenna, CA's executive general manager operations, said the parties were ''respectful of Fawad's personal beliefs'' and agreed to his request to wear an unbranded shirt.

''Cricket Australia would have weighed this up seriously,'' Australian Cricketers' Association chief executive Paul Marsh said. ''They would have thought about the precedent it could set. But I commend them and Carlton United for taking an approach that allowed the player to not contravene his personal beliefs.''

There are no provisions in cricketers' contracts for objections to sponsors' logos. However, Marsh said, ''If a player has reasonable personal or professional objection … they would allow the player to be exempt. That's what has been extended to Fawad. They came to a very reasonable agreement."...

....English Premier League footballer, Papiss Cisse, a Muslim, recently refused on religious grounds to wear his Newcastle team shirt featuring a sponsor, whose business is to offer short-term loans. South African cricketer Hashim Amla, also a Muslim, was exempted from wearing a beer brand logo on his shirt.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/muslim-spinner-given-leave-to-keep-a-sponsor-off-his-back-20130902-2t13m.html

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Reply #1 - Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 3:44pm

since when do you have to 'associate' with a sponsors products to be sponsored by them? Sponsors pay money to provide you with equipment etc, and in exchange they get to display their logo's etc on uniforms .....

what a load of croc. If he can't wear the VB logo he should go and play for someone else.

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Reply #2 - Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 4:12pm

The Quran allows alcohol,perhaps this muslim prefers a nice warm glass of camel urine.

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And from the fruits of Palm trees and grapevines you take intoxicant and good provision.
Indeed that is a sign for people who reason.
www.quran.com/16/67

If there is a verse in the Quran that prohibits alcohol would that contradict 16/67?
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Then do they not reflect upon the Quran,If it had been from any other than Allah they would have found within much contradiction.
www.quran.com/4/82

Muslims prefer Camel urine to a cold beer, anytime they raise the issue of alcohol we should remind them that Mohammad prescribed drinking camel urine.
Here is an Islamic preacher explaining the health benefits of drinking camel urine,he says it will even cure baldness.
www.islamqa.com/en/83423

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Reply #3 - Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 5:27pm

thank God. I was wondering what he would do about it - given the precedent set by Hashim Amla.

Was disappointed with Usman Kawaja wearing it during the tests.

Perhaps this should be the catalyst for opening a debate on the merits of having a product that is so detrimental to health and society as an effective mascot for a sporting team, who are roll models for millions of young impressionable Australians.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #4 - Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 5:34pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 3:44pm:

since when do you have to 'associate' with a sponsors products to be sponsored by them? Sponsors pay money to provide you with equipment etc, and in exchange they get to display their logo's etc on uniforms .....

what a load of croc. If he can't wear the VB logo he should go and play for someone else.

You don't think wearing a sponsor's badge on the shirt you play sport in - in front of millions of fans - is not associating with that sponsor?

Strange logic you have JS

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 4:12pm:

The Quran allows alcohol

Is there any point me disproving this for the fourth time?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #5 - Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 5:38pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 3:44pm:

what a load of croc. If he can't wear the VB logo he should go and play for someone else.

Perhaps that’s what the Australian selectors are worried about. Maybe he’ll go and play for Pakistan.

We must respect individual freedom of belief, friends. After all, an Aussie may refuse to wear a curry logo if he played for India or Sri Lanka.

It’s in the Constitution. Isn’t it.

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Reply #6 - Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 10:18pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 4:12pm:

The Quran allows alcohol,perhaps this muslim prefers a nice warm glass of camel urine.

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And from the fruits of Palm trees and grapevines you take intoxicant and good provision.
Indeed that is a sign for people who reason.
www.quran.com/16/67

If there is a verse in the Quran that prohibits alcohol would that contradict 16/67?
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Then do they not reflect upon the Quran,If it had been from any other than Allah they would have found within much contradiction.
www.quran.com/4/82

Muslims prefer Camel urine to a cold beer, anytime they raise the issue of alcohol we should remind them that Mohammad prescribed drinking camel urine.
Here is an Islamic preacher explaining the health benefits of drinking camel urine,he says it will even cure baldness.
www.islamqa.com/en/83423

That verse is obviously intended for non-Muslims.

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Reply #8 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:14am

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 4:12pm:

The Quran allows alcohol,perhaps this muslim prefers a nice warm glass of camel urine.

Quote:

And from the fruits of Palm trees and grapevines you take intoxicant and good provision.
Indeed that is a sign for people who reason.
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If there is a verse in the Quran that prohibits alcohol would that contradict 16/67?
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Then do they not reflect upon the Quran,If it had been from any other than Allah they would have found within much contradiction.
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Muslims prefer Camel urine to a cold beer, anytime they raise the issue of alcohol we should remind them that Mohammad prescribed drinking camel urine.
Here is an Islamic preacher explaining the health benefits of drinking camel urine,he says it will even cure baldness.
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Is camel urine intoxicating?

You should google urine therapy and see the medical benefits of drinking urine.

I persoannally wouldn't drink it but there are a lot of health benefits to the practise of drinking and using urine.

I don't drink alcohol and I wouldn't promote it aswell.

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Reply #9 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:37am

wally1 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:14am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 4:12pm:

The Quran allows alcohol,perhaps this muslim prefers a nice warm glass of camel urine.

Quote:

And from the fruits of Palm trees and grapevines you take intoxicant and good provision.
Indeed that is a sign for people who reason.
[url][/url]

If there is a verse in the Quran that prohibits alcohol would that contradict 16/67?
Quote:

Then do they not reflect upon the Quran,If it had been from any other than Allah they would have found within much contradiction.
[]

Muslims prefer Camel urine to a cold beer, anytime they raise the issue of alcohol we should remind them that Mohammad prescribed drinking camel urine.
Here is an Islamic preacher explaining the health benefits of drinking camel urine,he says it will even cure baldness.
]

Is camel urine intoxicating?

You should google urine therapy and see the medical benefits of drinking urine.

I persoannally wouldn't drink it but there are a lot of health benefits to the practise of drinking and using urine.

Yes, my friend, but it should not not be abused. Let us drink in moderation, yes?

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Reply #10 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:53am

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 5:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 3:44pm:

since when do you have to 'associate' with a sponsors products to be sponsored by them? Sponsors pay money to provide you with equipment etc, and in exchange they get to display their logo's etc on uniforms .....

what a load of croc. If he can't wear the VB logo he should go and play for someone else.

You don't think wearing a sponsor's badge on the shirt you play sport in - in front of millions of fans - is not associating with that sponsor?

Strange logic you have JS

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 4:12pm:

The Quran allows alcohol

Is there any point me disproving this for the fourth time?

do you think every sportsman that wears a logo uses that companies products? They are just a sponsor who is using your shirt as a billboard. They pay for advertising, you get equipment at no charge to you .... everybody wins. If he doesn't like it he should go and play for pakistan

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Reply #11 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:50am

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:53am:

do you think every sportsman that wears a logo uses that companies products? They are just a sponsor who is using your shirt as a billboard. They pay for advertising, you get equipment at no charge to you .... everybody wins. If he doesn't like it he should go and play for pakistan

A sponsorship is a two-way deal. The sponsor pays money for an endorsement. Fawad has refused to endorse killer alcoholic products.

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harm from alcohol was estimated to be the cause of 5.5% of the burden of disease for males

*Alcohol is the second largest cause of drug-related deaths and hospitalisations in Australia (after tobacco) (AIHW, 2005a).

*Alcohol is the main cause of deaths on Australian roads. In 1998, over 2,000 deaths of the total 7,000 deaths of persons under 65 years, were related to alcohol (Ridolfo and Stevenson, 1998).

*It has been estimated that 31,132 Australians died from alcohol-caused disease and injury between 1992 and 2001; of these 75% were male and 25% female. From 1993-94 to 2000-01, there were over half a million hospitalisations due to risky and high-risk drinking in Australia (Chikritzhs et.al. 2003).

* the community level, the estimated economic cost of alcohol misuse to the Australian community in 1998-99 totalled $7.6 billion, and this estimate includes associated factors such as crime and violence, treatment costs, loss of productivity and premature death (Collins and Lapsley, 2002).

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/allprimarymainfeatures/9C513A3DB275E740C...

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Reply #12 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 10:54am

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:53am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 5:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 3:44pm:

since when do you have to 'associate' with a sponsors products to be sponsored by them? Sponsors pay money to provide you with equipment etc, and in exchange they get to display their logo's etc on uniforms .....

what a load of croc. If he can't wear the VB logo he should go and play for someone else.

You don't think wearing a sponsor's badge on the shirt you play sport in - in front of millions of fans - is not associating with that sponsor?

Strange logic you have JS

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2013 at 4:12pm:

The Quran allows alcohol

Is there any point me disproving this for the fourth time?

do you think every sportsman that wears a logo uses that companies products? They are just a sponsor who is using your shirt as a billboard. They pay for advertising, you get equipment at no charge to you .... everybody wins. If he doesn't like it he should go and play for pakistan

This is true, my friend. In Pakistan you can buy many billboards. Burqa is very good - many products you can sell.

Andrei Hicks sahib buys ladies by the dozen. We are planning joint-venture with Pakistani camel urine company.

Watch this space, friends, and drink in moderation.

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Reply #13 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 11:26am

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:53am:

do you think every sportsman that wears a logo uses that companies products?

Of course not, but thats not the same as associating yourself with the product. If you wear a beer brand on an international arena for the specific purpose of promoting it, then obviously you are associating yourself with that brand. And any self-respecting muslim would have a huge problem with associating and promoting an alcohol brand.

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:53am:

If he doesn't like it he should go and play for pakistan

Or - he could work out some sort of arrangement with the sponsors and cricket Australia. I'm not sure what arrangement they reached - but I know in Hashim Amla's case he pays a "fee" out of his own pocket to compensate the sponsors for not wearing the brand. Either way, clearly CA and VB are ok with this - the only people who matter in this case.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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