falah wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 6:01pm:


What does that tell you about Islam?? Why is there no Islamic country if Islam is so goddam super? Why has Islam been a synonym for sickly and backward for 600 years?

Islam became an obvious anachronism 500 years ago. It has remained an anachronism ever since and is maintained in that state of enforced ignorance by its own rigid and stupid rules. islamic countries are backward because of islam.

You know there is more than 1 times in last 5 years in arab countrys when girl - most time also under 18 yrs - say that she been raped by arab men and then what is happens is the girl is accuse of saying lie,,

Then girl is sentenced by court and sometimes killed.

Arabs has terrible bad laws for women and they is very bad in treatment of women in their countrys.

freediver wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 7:08pm:



No,, not at all. This rules and laws come from Arab and Muslims laws,,

Look Somalia stonings of rape girls,, this is from Islamic groups not western support Governments ect

Nothing, is just silly to say this. Total Islamic laws,

Frances wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 1:32pm:




Frances,

"A woman deserves support after being the victim of rape, not punishment - why punish her when she hasn't done anything wrong?"

That is a very rash statement to make, isn't it ???

A raped woman, is a woman isn't she ?

And she has a vagina, hasn't she ?

Therefore, a woman, is just asking to be raped!

And if a woman is raped, then why wasn't she in the protective custody of her husband, or a male relative ???


It is totally outrageous for a woman [who is in possession of a vagina] not to expect to be raped if she is not in the protective custody of her husband, or a male relative !

That, is just common sense.

EXCUSE MY CALLOUS SARCASM [above].






Those cultural 'norms' [expressed above], promoted by ISLAMIC culture, are designed  [wherever moslem men are common] to force all women to adopt, behavior and dress, which is acceptable to moslems.

The moslem intimidation, abuse, and rape of non-moselm women, is a means of, a form of, ISLAMIC JIHAD, against the un-ISLAMIC host culture.

And the moslem intimidation, abuse, and rape of 'disrespectful' [to ISLAM] moslem women, within moslems majority Sharia jurisdictions, is a means of a cultural control and punishment of disrespectful, rebellious women.

ISLAM uses ['lawful'] societal terror, to illicit compliance, to ISLAMIC social mores, and control.

Always has done, it always will.

'Lawful' societal terror, is how the ISLAMIC regime, gains, and maintains control.


Mohammed, from the Hadith....

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies): ......"
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.220


'Lawful' societal terror.....


Koran 33.60,61



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Within the un-ISLAMIC host culture, the rape of those women who disrespect moslem cultural mores [i.e. by their dress, outwardly showing 'disrespect' for Sharia law], is designed to change that societal attitude among non-moslem women.

This sexual violence is intentionally designed, to make non-moslem women feel unsafe, esp. around moslem men, unless they show respect TO ISLAM, by wearing headscarves.

THE SOLE OBJECTIVE, IS TO ILLICIT CULTURAL RESPECT, AND FEAR, FOR ISLAM AND MOSLEMS.

i.e.
TO MAKE THE WORLD 'ISLAM', BY USING USING 'LAWFUL' VIOLENCE AND TERROR.

Google;


MOSLEM RAPE, OF ANY 'DISRESPECTFUL' WOMAN, IS INTENTIONAL, IT IS CULTURALLY ENCOURAGED.


It is a cultural thing.

e.g.
An Australian journalist, Latika Bourke, outside a mosque, in Australia, was verbally abused, BECAUSE SHE WAS NOT CONFORMING TO ISLAMIC DRESS CODES [outside of a mosque].

Dress "offensive" to Islam | thetelegraph.com.au
www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/.../story-e6freuzi-1111113571868
20 May 2007 – Twenty-three-year-old journalist Latika Bourke was verbally attacked ... You need to cover up, you mutt','' Ms Bourke, who works for 2UE Radio, ...

Google;
Latika Bourke, "You need to cover up, you mutt"




Google;
bilal skaf, rape, women uncovered, has no right to say no


Google;
bilal skaf, rape, she has no right to say no



Unprotected women, are 'available', to be raped, by men.

Sex attacks, in countries like Australia, ARE THE FAULT OF WOMEN [according to moslem cultural mores].....

Google;
rape, uncovered women, cat meat


A [respectful to ISLAM] moslem woman, is [normally regarded by moslems men as] a 'protected' woman.

Soren wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 6:45pm:



AND YET.......even 'nominal' moslems, who are living in the West, seem to maintain a high regard and high degree of respect for their >> own << ISLAMIC culture.

Even when those same moslems, tell the West, that they [moslems], must come to live in the West, because they [moslems], are being persecuted, in their >> own << moslem majority homelands.



And yet those same moslems [the ones seeking, and obtaining sanctuary] will often demonstrate their respect for their >> own << ISLAMIC culture, by resorting to violence against non-moslems, and against their non-moslem host nation.

Dictionary;
sanctuary = = a place of refuge or safety.





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I have no respect for moslems, for anyone who declares,

"I am a moslem"

.

I have no respect for anyone who chooses to associate themselves, with the mores and laws, and the 'lawful' violence of ISLAM.


ISLAM teaches moslems LAWLESSNESS [and 'lawful' violence], imo.

And ISLAM teaches moslems cultural parasitism, imo.

e.g.
Moslems insist that they want to come to live in the West, to live in a culture which moslems will often openly declare that they despise.

Yet many of those very same moslems [who despise Western culture] at the very same time, refuse to stay in their own homelands, to fight [to 'struggle'] and work for their own culture, to engage in moslem nation building, to establish the 'ISLAMIC ideal' in their own homelands.

Instead, moslems come to the West, so as to make the West, like the hell holes, which moslems say they despise, fear, and have fled from.

Cognitive dissonance
Cognitive dissonance is a psychological term to define the condition that results whenever an individual attempts to hold two incompatible, if not contradictory, thoughts at the same time even in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

freediver wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 6:28pm:


The only consensual sex recognised in Islam is that which occurs between a man married to a woman.

As I said before their are at least three stakeholders involved in any sexual relationaship; the most important one being the Creator, God Almighty.

The Creator has only given his consent for his creation to have sex in the confines of marriage. Any other sex is non-consensual.

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

Do you have alearning disability or something? I have been telling you that stoning would be the minimum punishment, and that there would be more punishments on top of that, but you somehow think that the punishment would be less. Amazing.

I will state it for the last time: Punishment for a married rapist is death by stoning, and a fine, and other punishments to be decided by the judge such as floggings, amputations, crucifixions, etc.

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

Yes, if the crime was witnessed by at least four people, or there is a confession, and the person was a willing participant - which includes the concept of not being insane, below the age of puberty, etc.


freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

Yes, if the crime was witnessed by at least four people, or there is a confession, and the person was a willing participant - which includes the concept of the accused not being insane, or below the age of puberty, etc.

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

Yes, if the crime was witnessed by at least four people, or there is a confession, and the person was a willing participant - which includes the concept of the accused not being insane, or below the age of puberty, etc.


freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:


Consensual rape? Not quite sure how that works.

Strange world you inhabit.

"The Creator has only given his consent for his creation to have sex in the confines of marriage. Any other sex is non-consensual"....Quote - Falah  ... and Falah continues.....>>>

freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

Falah, is this a good summary of typical Islamic punishments:

Married rapist: death by stoning, or a lesser punishment .??

Falah continues>>>
...Do you have alearning disability or something? I have been telling you that stoning would be the minimum punishment, and that there would be more punishments on top of that, but you somehow think that the punishment would be less. Amazing.

>>>I will state it for the last time: Punishment for a married rapist is death by stoning, and a fine, and other punishments to be decided by the judge such as floggings, amputations, crucifixions, etc.

????? Que??

Min. punishment, death by stoning......
Bit hard to add those other punishments... Hmmm perhaps not...after all,  you can always cut off an arm or '?' ...flog  'm , hang 'm up , and let everyone stone them to death. Oh I see,  so thats what COULD happen to a 'married rapist'.!!

Presuming a rapist cannot be a woman,  who victim or not, is readily condemned ..