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Reply #15 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 12:06am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 11:32pm:
Adamant wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 9:07pm:
You are incorrect when you say Christianity has killed more people than islam. Muslims have killed over 80 million Hindus


Come on enough of the fantasies.

I can't believe the enemies of Islam are docile enough to drag out this nonsense, which did not have a single documented contemporary historical account, but was concocted by an American "historian" about 700-800 years after the supposed event took place. Or the other famous "evidence" for it, the name Hindu kush = slaughter hindus  Grin Grin Grin

With each post you just keep getting better don't you adamant. You certainly are adamant about something, whittling away your own credibility it seems.


I think you should study the history of your cult before you try personal and pitiful attacks. You should also read about the sub human acts that MUSLIMS committed in Beslan, which you have not.

I was born a muslim you are nothing more than a smacking retread who would have me killed for saying allah does not exist, Get a life become an atheist!
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Reply #16 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 12:36am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 11:32pm:
Adamant wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 9:07pm:
You are incorrect when you say Christianity has killed more people than islam. Muslims have killed over 80 million Hindus




Come on enough of the fantasies.

I can't believe the enemies of Islam are docile enough to drag out this nonsense, which did not have a single documented contemporary historical account, but was concocted by an American "historian" about 700-800 years after the supposed event took place. Or the other famous "evidence" for it, the name Hindu kush = slaughter hindus  Grin Grin Grin

With each post you just keep getting better don't you adamant. You certainly are adamant about something, whittling away your own credibility it seems.


As I have stated before it was estimated that 1 million Hindus were killed by West Pakistan when East Pakistan sought independence.
To learn more of your disgusting and immoral cult go to this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus but then again once an ignorant savage always an ignorant savage, I will however try to educate you to the best of my ability. For I am an optimistic atheist and would not dream of killing humans.
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Reply #17 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 1:13am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 11:32pm:
Adamant wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 9:07pm:
You are incorrect when you say Christianity has killed more people than islam. Muslims have killed over 80 million Hindus


Come on enough of the fantasies.

I can't believe the enemies of Islam are docile enough to drag out this nonsense, which did not have a single documented contemporary historical account, but was concocted by an American "historian" about 700-800 years after the supposed event took place. Or the other famous "evidence" for it, the name Hindu kush = slaughter hindus  Grin Grin Grin

With each post you just keep getting better don't you adamant. You certainly are adamant about something, whittling away your own credibility it seems.


You are concerned by my assertion that 80 million Hindus were killed by muslims but make no mention of the 100 million slave deaths, this explains to me your scant regard of non islamic life forms including humans.
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Reply #18 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 5:37am
 
Just tackling one lie at a time.

So I take it you don't have a single historically contemporary source for the 80 million claim?

ie. You concede you're nothing but a liar?
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Reply #19 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 10:03am
 
It was really bad, whatever the numbers.

There is no official estimate of the total death toll of Hindus at the hands of Islam. A first glance at important testimonies by Muslim chroniclers suggests that, over 13 centuries and a territory as vast as the Subcontinent, Muslim Holy Warriors easily killed more Hindus than the 6 million of the Holocaust. Ferishtha lists several occasions when the Bahmani sultans in central India (1347-1528) killed a hundred thousand Hindus, which they set as a minimum goal whenever they felt like "punishing" the Hindus; and they were only a third-rank provincial dynasty. The biggest slaughters took place during the raids of Mahmud Ghaznavi (ca. 1000 CE); during the actual conquest of North India by Mohammed Ghori and his lieutenants (1192 ff.); and under the Delhi Sultanate (1206-1526). The Moghuls (1526-1857), even Babar and Aurangzeb, were fairly restrained tyrants by comparison. Prof. K.S. Lal once estimated that the Indian population declined by 50 million under the Sultanate, but that would be hard to substantiate; research into the magnitude of the damage Islam did to India is yet to start in right earnest.
http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/irin/genocide.html
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Reply #20 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 10:10am
 
Adamant wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 9:07pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 3:40pm:
Adamant wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 3:29pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 3:23pm:
Following your logic we should just about ban every single religion including christianity.
They are all dangerous.


Define "LOGIC" regarding Religion
Well there is no logic in religion, but regarding religion you asked whether we should outlaw one because something bad happened in its name; which is the same for almost all mainstream religions.
Christian nations like the US and UK are easily the worst human rights offenders and murderers to this day but we don’t outlaw Christianity.

You are incorrect when you say Christianity has killed more people than islam. Muslims have killed over 80 million Hindus in its thirst for wealth and slaves. Islam was the biggest slave trading nation on the planet. It is estimated that 11 million African slaves were transported to the Americas, only 5 % of which went to the USA .Of all slaves captured by Muslims and sent to Islamic lands most were women and used for sexual gratification The harem of Abdal Rahman III (912 - 961) in Cordoba (check out Spain for the slaughter of 3500 Jews in 1066) contained over 6,000 concubines! And the one in the Fatimid Palace in Cairo had twice as many . Male slaves were castrated. Have you noticed how pale the Arabs are? That is because they killed all of the offspring of black African slave women descent! Slavery was only abolished around 1960 in Saudi Arabia. 140 million Africans are estimated to have been enslaved by muslims over the centuries 80% of which died in transit to market. Muslims have been parasites for all of the centuries Islam has been around. Timure the lame made towers out of human skulls, of course he had them beheaded first in the morning so he could study the arts in the afternoon.
I have explained away only a small proportion of the deaths caused by Muslims you could possibly double the deaths by adding in invasions, oppression, starvation by high tax take and general disregard to other humans.

Hitler, Mao and Stalin would be in awe at the debauchery that the muslims have perpetrated on the western world since its conception by a man who went to caves had fits heard voices had an invisible jinn sit on his shoulder talking to him and him only telling him god has given him and him alone the right to kill maim slaughter rape steal and enslave all who chose not believe in that invisible piece of excrement called Allah.

Bertrand Russel said of Muslims “Arabic philosophy is not important as original thought. Men like Avicenna and Averroes are essentially commentators. Speaking generally, the views of the more scientific philosophers come from Aristotle and the Neo-Platonists in logic and metaphysics, from Galen in medicine, from Greek and Indian sources in mathematics and astronomy, and among mystics religious philosophy has also an admixture of old Persian beliefs. Writers in Arabic showed some originality in mathematics and in chemistry--in the latter case, as an incidental result of alchemical researches. Mohammedan civilization in its great days was admirable in the arts and in many technical ways, but it showed no capacity for independent speculation in theoretical matters”.

www.ntslibrary.com/PDF%20Books/History%20of%20Western%20Philosophy.pdf

It would take too long to list all the deaths at the hands of christians.
Its been happening for a lot longer then Muslims, and still continues to this day.
Just in the last century the US has been repsonsible for hundreds of millions of deaths.
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Reply #21 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 10:17am
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 10:10am:
Adamant wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 9:07pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 3:40pm:
Adamant wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 3:29pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 3:23pm:
Following your logic we should just about ban every single religion including christianity.
They are all dangerous.


Define "LOGIC" regarding Religion
Well there is no logic in religion, but regarding religion you asked whether we should outlaw one because something bad happened in its name; which is the same for almost all mainstream religions.
Christian nations like the US and UK are easily the worst human rights offenders and murderers to this day but we don’t outlaw Christianity.

You are incorrect when you say Christianity has killed more people than islam. Muslims have killed over 80 million Hindus in its thirst for wealth and slaves. Islam was the biggest slave trading nation on the planet. It is estimated that 11 million African slaves were transported to the Americas, only 5 % of which went to the USA .Of all slaves captured by Muslims and sent to Islamic lands most were women and used for sexual gratification The harem of Abdal Rahman III (912 - 961) in Cordoba (check out Spain for the slaughter of 3500 Jews in 1066) contained over 6,000 concubines! And the one in the Fatimid Palace in Cairo had twice as many . Male slaves were castrated. Have you noticed how pale the Arabs are? That is because they killed all of the offspring of black African slave women descent! Slavery was only abolished around 1960 in Saudi Arabia. 140 million Africans are estimated to have been enslaved by muslims over the centuries 80% of which died in transit to market. Muslims have been parasites for all of the centuries Islam has been around. Timure the lame made towers out of human skulls, of course he had them beheaded first in the morning so he could study the arts in the afternoon.
I have explained away only a small proportion of the deaths caused by Muslims you could possibly double the deaths by adding in invasions, oppression, starvation by high tax take and general disregard to other humans.

Hitler, Mao and Stalin would be in awe at the debauchery that the muslims have perpetrated on the western world since its conception by a man who went to caves had fits heard voices had an invisible jinn sit on his shoulder talking to him and him only telling him god has given him and him alone the right to kill maim slaughter rape steal and enslave all who chose not believe in that invisible piece of excrement called Allah.

Bertrand Russel said of Muslims “Arabic philosophy is not important as original thought. Men like Avicenna and Averroes are essentially commentators. Speaking generally, the views of the more scientific philosophers come from Aristotle and the Neo-Platonists in logic and metaphysics, from Galen in medicine, from Greek and Indian sources in mathematics and astronomy, and among mystics religious philosophy has also an admixture of old Persian beliefs. Writers in Arabic showed some originality in mathematics and in chemistry--in the latter case, as an incidental result of alchemical researches. Mohammedan civilization in its great days was admirable in the arts and in many technical ways, but it showed no capacity for independent speculation in theoretical matters”.

www.ntslibrary.com/PDF%20Books/History%20of%20Western%20Philosophy.pdf

It would take too long to list all the deaths at the hands of christians.
Its been happening for a lot longer then Muslims, and still continues to this day
.
Just in the last century the US has been repsonsible for hundreds of millions of deaths.


I think the comparison would need to be of people killed for religious reasons, not in wars involving political/economic reasons.....for Christians vs Muslims.....other wise it loses all meaning...
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Reply #22 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 10:20am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 10:17am:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 10:10am:
Adamant wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 9:07pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 3:40pm:
Adamant wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 3:29pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 3:23pm:
Following your logic we should just about ban every single religion including christianity.
They are all dangerous.


Define "LOGIC" regarding Religion
Well there is no logic in religion, but regarding religion you asked whether we should outlaw one because something bad happened in its name; which is the same for almost all mainstream religions.
Christian nations like the US and UK are easily the worst human rights offenders and murderers to this day but we don’t outlaw Christianity.

You are incorrect when you say Christianity has killed more people than islam. Muslims have killed over 80 million Hindus in its thirst for wealth and slaves. Islam was the biggest slave trading nation on the planet. It is estimated that 11 million African slaves were transported to the Americas, only 5 % of which went to the USA .Of all slaves captured by Muslims and sent to Islamic lands most were women and used for sexual gratification The harem of Abdal Rahman III (912 - 961) in Cordoba (check out Spain for the slaughter of 3500 Jews in 1066) contained over 6,000 concubines! And the one in the Fatimid Palace in Cairo had twice as many . Male slaves were castrated. Have you noticed how pale the Arabs are? That is because they killed all of the offspring of black African slave women descent! Slavery was only abolished around 1960 in Saudi Arabia. 140 million Africans are estimated to have been enslaved by muslims over the centuries 80% of which died in transit to market. Muslims have been parasites for all of the centuries Islam has been around. Timure the lame made towers out of human skulls, of course he had them beheaded first in the morning so he could study the arts in the afternoon.
I have explained away only a small proportion of the deaths caused by Muslims you could possibly double the deaths by adding in invasions, oppression, starvation by high tax take and general disregard to other humans.

Hitler, Mao and Stalin would be in awe at the debauchery that the muslims have perpetrated on the western world since its conception by a man who went to caves had fits heard voices had an invisible jinn sit on his shoulder talking to him and him only telling him god has given him and him alone the right to kill maim slaughter rape steal and enslave all who chose not believe in that invisible piece of excrement called Allah.

Bertrand Russel said of Muslims “Arabic philosophy is not important as original thought. Men like Avicenna and Averroes are essentially commentators. Speaking generally, the views of the more scientific philosophers come from Aristotle and the Neo-Platonists in logic and metaphysics, from Galen in medicine, from Greek and Indian sources in mathematics and astronomy, and among mystics religious philosophy has also an admixture of old Persian beliefs. Writers in Arabic showed some originality in mathematics and in chemistry--in the latter case, as an incidental result of alchemical researches. Mohammedan civilization in its great days was admirable in the arts and in many technical ways, but it showed no capacity for independent speculation in theoretical matters”.

www.ntslibrary.com/PDF%20Books/History%20of%20Western%20Philosophy.pdf

It would take too long to list all the deaths at the hands of christians.
Its been happening for a lot longer then Muslims, and still continues to this day
.
Just in the last century the US has been repsonsible for hundreds of millions of deaths.


I think the comparison would need to be of people killed for religious reasons, not in wars involving political/economic reasons.....for Christians vs Muslims.....other wise it loses all meaning...

What I am trying to say is that westerners always claim how evil Muslims are and that we would never stoop to that level.
But we supposedly good Christian nations have been responsible for millions of deaths for no more reason then money and power which basically sums up religion anyway.

No culture, religion or nation is immune from this crap and by constantly blaming and hating the other guy the cycle of killing is just going to continue.
From what I see in the world today we are already heading for a ww3 and the funny thing is people are going to want it.
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Re: Iteresting Islamic Fact
Reply #23 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 11:01am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 10:17am:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 10:10am:
Adamant wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 9:07pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 3:40pm:
Adamant wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 3:29pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 3:23pm:
Following your logic we should just about ban every single religion including christianity.
They are all dangerous.


Define "LOGIC" regarding Religion
Well there is no logic in religion, but regarding religion you asked whether we should outlaw one because something bad happened in its name; which is the same for almost all mainstream religions.
Christian nations like the US and UK are easily the worst human rights offenders and murderers to this day but we don’t outlaw Christianity.

You are incorrect when you say Christianity has killed more people than islam. Muslims have killed over 80 million Hindus in its thirst for wealth and slaves. Islam was the biggest slave trading nation on the planet. It is estimated that 11 million African slaves were transported to the Americas, only 5 % of which went to the USA .Of all slaves captured by Muslims and sent to Islamic lands most were women and used for sexual gratification The harem of Abdal Rahman III (912 - 961) in Cordoba (check out Spain for the slaughter of 3500 Jews in 1066) contained over 6,000 concubines! And the one in the Fatimid Palace in Cairo had twice as many . Male slaves were castrated. Have you noticed how pale the Arabs are? That is because they killed all of the offspring of black African slave women descent! Slavery was only abolished around 1960 in Saudi Arabia. 140 million Africans are estimated to have been enslaved by muslims over the centuries 80% of which died in transit to market. Muslims have been parasites for all of the centuries Islam has been around. Timure the lame made towers out of human skulls, of course he had them beheaded first in the morning so he could study the arts in the afternoon.
I have explained away only a small proportion of the deaths caused by Muslims you could possibly double the deaths by adding in invasions, oppression, starvation by high tax take and general disregard to other humans.

Hitler, Mao and Stalin would be in awe at the debauchery that the muslims have perpetrated on the western world since its conception by a man who went to caves had fits heard voices had an invisible jinn sit on his shoulder talking to him and him only telling him god has given him and him alone the right to kill maim slaughter rape steal and enslave all who chose not believe in that invisible piece of excrement called Allah.

Bertrand Russel said of Muslims “Arabic philosophy is not important as original thought. Men like Avicenna and Averroes are essentially commentators. Speaking generally, the views of the more scientific philosophers come from Aristotle and the Neo-Platonists in logic and metaphysics, from Galen in medicine, from Greek and Indian sources in mathematics and astronomy, and among mystics religious philosophy has also an admixture of old Persian beliefs. Writers in Arabic showed some originality in mathematics and in chemistry--in the latter case, as an incidental result of alchemical researches. Mohammedan civilization in its great days was admirable in the arts and in many technical ways, but it showed no capacity for independent speculation in theoretical matters”.

www.ntslibrary.com/PDF%20Books/History%20of%20Western%20Philosophy.pdf

It would take too long to list all the deaths at the hands of christians.
Its been happening for a lot longer then Muslims, and still continues to this day
.
Just in the last century the US has been repsonsible for hundreds of millions of deaths.


I think the comparison would need to be of people killed for religious reasons, not in wars involving political/economic reasons.....for Christians vs Muslims.....other wise it loses all meaning...


You mean like how Christians killed millions of Jews in the space of a couple of years less than 70 years ago?

The Crusades? Notably the killing of the entire population of Jerusalem.

The numerous Christian genocide of Jews throughout Europe in countires such as Germany, Poland, Russia.

In Christian England all the Jews were expelled in 1290 because they were practicing interest-based money lending (usury).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion

The Spanish Inquisition.

Conquistidors in Americas

Conquistidors in Philipines

Conquistidors In India, notably the Portuguese in Goa.

Conquistidors in Malaysia (massacred the whole city of Malacca)

Portuguese Conquistidors in East Timor killed all Muslims who refused to convert to Christianity.

How do you think Christianity spread through Europe inm the first place? In the 4th century the Christian Roman government declared the death penalty for anyone who practiced paganism.
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Reply #24 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 11:19am
 
falah wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 11:01am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 10:17am:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 10:10am:
Adamant wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 9:07pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 3:40pm:
Adamant wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 3:29pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 3:23pm:
Following your logic we should just about ban every single religion including christianity.
They are all dangerous.


Define "LOGIC" regarding Religion
Well there is no logic in religion, but regarding religion you asked whether we should outlaw one because something bad happened in its name; which is the same for almost all mainstream religions.
Christian nations like the US and UK are easily the worst human rights offenders and murderers to this day but we don’t outlaw Christianity.

You are incorrect when you say Christianity has killed more people than islam. Muslims have killed over 80 million Hindus in its thirst for wealth and slaves. Islam was the biggest slave trading nation on the planet. It is estimated that 11 million African slaves were transported to the Americas, only 5 % of which went to the USA .Of all slaves captured by Muslims and sent to Islamic lands most were women and used for sexual gratification The harem of Abdal Rahman III (912 - 961) in Cordoba (check out Spain for the slaughter of 3500 Jews in 1066) contained over 6,000 concubines! And the one in the Fatimid Palace in Cairo had twice as many . Male slaves were castrated. Have you noticed how pale the Arabs are? That is because they killed all of the offspring of black African slave women descent! Slavery was only abolished around 1960 in Saudi Arabia. 140 million Africans are estimated to have been enslaved by muslims over the centuries 80% of which died in transit to market. Muslims have been parasites for all of the centuries Islam has been around. Timure the lame made towers out of human skulls, of course he had them beheaded first in the morning so he could study the arts in the afternoon.
I have explained away only a small proportion of the deaths caused by Muslims you could possibly double the deaths by adding in invasions, oppression, starvation by high tax take and general disregard to other humans.

Hitler, Mao and Stalin would be in awe at the debauchery that the muslims have perpetrated on the western world since its conception by a man who went to caves had fits heard voices had an invisible jinn sit on his shoulder talking to him and him only telling him god has given him and him alone the right to kill maim slaughter rape steal and enslave all who chose not believe in that invisible piece of excrement called Allah.

Bertrand Russel said of Muslims “Arabic philosophy is not important as original thought. Men like Avicenna and Averroes are essentially commentators. Speaking generally, the views of the more scientific philosophers come from Aristotle and the Neo-Platonists in logic and metaphysics, from Galen in medicine, from Greek and Indian sources in mathematics and astronomy, and among mystics religious philosophy has also an admixture of old Persian beliefs. Writers in Arabic showed some originality in mathematics and in chemistry--in the latter case, as an incidental result of alchemical researches. Mohammedan civilization in its great days was admirable in the arts and in many technical ways, but it showed no capacity for independent speculation in theoretical matters”.

www.ntslibrary.com/PDF%20Books/History%20of%20Western%20Philosophy.pdf

It would take too long to list all the deaths at the hands of christians.
Its been happening for a lot longer then Muslims, and still continues to this day
.
Just in the last century the US has been repsonsible for hundreds of millions of deaths.


I think the comparison would need to be of people killed for religious reasons, not in wars involving political/economic reasons.....for Christians vs Muslims.....other wise it loses all meaning...


You mean like how Christians killed millions of Jews in the space of a couple of years less than 70 years ago?

The Crusades? Notably the killing of the entire population of Jerusalem.

The numerous Christian genocide of Jews throughout Europe in countires such as Germany, Poland, Russia.

In Christian England all the Jews were expelled in 1290 because they were practicing interest-based money lending (usury).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion

The Spanish Inquisition.

Conquistidors in Americas

Conquistidors in Philipines

Conquistidors In India, notably the Portuguese in Goa.

Conquistidors in Malaysia (massacred the whole city of Malacca)

Portuguese Conquistidors in East Timor killed all Muslims who refused to convert to Christianity.

How do you think Christianity spread through Europe inm the first place? In the 4th century the Christian Roman government declared the death penalty for anyone who practiced paganism.


Well, no not the Conquistidors....they were mainly after money and exploration...Those come under the economic section...
But the Crusades, the various Inquisitions and the English expulsion and the European pograms on the Jews would classify...
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Reply #25 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 11:50am
 
Soren wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 10:03am:
It was really bad, whatever the numbers.

There is no official estimate of the total death toll of Hindus at the hands of Islam. A first glance at important testimonies by Muslim chroniclers suggests that, over 13 centuries and a territory as vast as the Subcontinent, Muslim Holy Warriors easily killed more Hindus than the 6 million of the Holocaust. Ferishtha lists several occasions when the Bahmani sultans in central India (1347-1528) killed a hundred thousand Hindus, which they set as a minimum goal whenever they felt like "punishing" the Hindus; and they were only a third-rank provincial dynasty. The biggest slaughters took place during the raids of Mahmud Ghaznavi (ca. 1000 CE); during the actual conquest of North India by Mohammed Ghori and his lieutenants (1192 ff.); and under the Delhi Sultanate (1206-1526). The Moghuls (1526-1857), even Babar and Aurangzeb, were fairly restrained tyrants by comparison. Prof. K.S. Lal once estimated that the Indian population declined by 50 million under the Sultanate, but that would be hard to substantiate; research into the magnitude of the damage Islam did to India is yet to start in right earnest.
http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/irin/genocide.html






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Reply #26 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 12:12pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 11:19am:
Well, no not the Conquistidors....they were mainly after money and exploration...Those come under the economic section...

What was the initial motivation for the conquistidors? Why were they looking for the Spice islands in the East Indies?

If you read through the writings of the Portuguese at the time, as I did in preparation for my thesis, you will find that the motivation was religious.

The Portuguese said that they were looking for the Spice Islands so that they could cause economic harm to Muslims. Their plot was to destroy the economy of the Muslim world so that they could then take it over.
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Reply #27 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 1:06pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 11:50am:
"......When Napoleon invaded Egypt, he discovered that the Muslim population knew nothing about Egypt before Islam. The 5,000-year-old culture of the Pharaohs had been annihilated...


Yeah the Roman Empire banned paganism 300 years before Muslims arrived.



Yadda wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 11:50am:
There are no Buddhists in Afghanistan.


There are still jews in Afghanistan, perhaps most of the buddhists converted to Islam in the centuries prior to Genghis Khan.

The Buddhist religion survived the Islamic conquest of Afghanistan by the Umayyads and rule by the Abbasid Caliphate, but it was Ghenghis who finished them off:

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=TKUxyVCrYn0C&pg=PA25&dq=genghis+khan+destroyed+buddhism+afghanistan&hl=en&ei=kVx1TuXkJOj30gGWgq3BDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=genghis%20khan%20destroyed%20buddhism%20afghanistan&f=false




Yadda wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 11:50am:
Today it is estimated that there are no more than a few dozen Jews left in Iraq.


Not all that surprising considering that Mossad forced them to do aliya to Israel:

...The British embassy in Baghdad relayed to London its own assessment of the motives behind the attack: Activists of the Zionist movement wanted to highlight the danger for the Jews of Iraq, in order to spur the State of Israel to accelerate the pace of their immigration. At the time, there was serious debate in Israel on this issue and some wished to slow down the rate of emigration from Iraq. The British embassy's appraisal is quoted in a book by Esther Meir of Ben-Gurion University of the Negev. The embassy also offered a second possible explanation: The bombs were meant to influence well-off Jews in Iraq who wished to stay there, to get them to change their minds and come to Israel, too...

...the 1951 bombing barely rates a footnote, but in the history of immigration to Israel, it still has significance, some of it political - because the bombing at the synagogue fueled a whole host of rumors and accusations. Some claimed that it was carried out by Mossad agents, with the objective of frightening the Jews and encouraging them to move to Israel. This claim is also accepted by several Mizrahi scholars and activists, and is sometimes cited as one of the arguments against Zionism...

...Now, a recent publication is shedding new light on the mystery. The revelations come from Yehuda Tager, an Israeli agent who operated in Baghdad, was exposed and spent about 10 years in prison there. According to Tager...at least one activist from the Zionist underground, Yosef Beit-Halahmi, did apparently carry out several terror attacks...This is the first time someone involved in the episode is confirming that members of the Zionist underground did commit bombings in Baghdad....

http://web.archive.org/web/20080504154232/http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=703367






Yadda wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 11:50am:
Languages disappear to be replaced by Arabic. There are no exceptions over time."


You mean like how Celtic, Aboriginal, and native American languages were replaced by English? Stupid argument really considering that their are millions of people in the Middle East that speak non-Arabic languages like Kurdish, Tamazight, Assyrian, Somali, Tigrinya, Aramaic, Pulaar, Soninke, Tuareg, and French. Kurdish is even an official language in Iraq, while Tamazight is an official language in Morocco.
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How Israeli & British Meddling Resulted In The Emigration Of jews From Iraq


On 27 April 1950 a man whose passport identified him as Richard Armstrong flew from Amsterdam to Baghdad. He came as a representative of Near East Air Transport, an American charter company seeking to win a contract with Iraq’s prime minister, Tawfiq al-Suwaida, to fly Iraqi Jews to Cyprus. Only six weeks earlier, the Iraqi government had passed the Denaturalisation Act, which allowed Jews to emigrate provided they renounced their citizenship, and gave them a year to decide whether to do so. Al-Suwaida expected that between seven and ten thousand Jews would leave out of a community of about 125,000, but a mysterious bombing in Baghdad on the last day of Passover, near a café frequented by Jews, caused panic, and the numbers registering soon outstripped his estimate...

...For Richard Armstrong and NEAT, the uprooting of the Middle East’s most ancient Jewish community was not a mere business transaction: it was a mission. Armstrong was really Shlomo (né Selim) Hillel, an Iraqi-born Mossad agent; NEAT was secretly owned by the Jewish Agency; and Israel, not Cyprus, was the refugees’ ultimate destination. It’s unlikely that al-Suwaida and the minister of the interior, Saleh Jabr, were fooled. Hillel claimed to be the ‘swarthy-skinned son’ of a British colonial official who’d worked in India, but he didn’t look much like an Armstrong. And he’d been arrested a few years earlier in Baghdad, where, under the alias Fuad Salah, he’d been training Zionist militants in attics and cellars. But if the Iraqis knew who he was, they didn’t call his bluff: they owned shares in the tourism agency in Baghdad through which NEAT had chosen to operate, and stood to benefit from the deal. ‘We parted on the most cordial terms,’ Hillel remembered in his memoir, Operation Babylon. By the end of 1952, almost all of Iraq’s Jews had fled, in what Mossad called Operation Ezekiel and Nehemiah...

...The exodus of Mesopotamia’s Jews...would have seemed unthinkable at the beginning of the 20th century.
As Violette Shamash writes, Babylon was the home of ‘our patriarch Abraham Abinou’; the place where the Talmud was written and Jewish law codified. And if distant memories weren’t enough to bind Jews to their ancestral home, something more tangible did: security and the promise of a good life. Of all the Jewish communities in the Middle East, the Mesopotamian Jews were the most integrated, the most Arabised, the most prosperous. Not only had they freely practised their faith under the Ottomans, they had become the country’s most powerful economic group. And there was hardly an area of Mesopotamian culture on which Jews had not left their imprint, from the style of music performed in Baghdad’s cafés to the wafting amba, a mango pickle that Baghdadi Jews working in India brought home with them.

Recent polemics – and pro-Israeli websites – have made much of the indignities of Jewish life under Ottoman rule, seeking to expose the ‘myth’ of Muslim tolerance. This tolerance, it’s argued, is a euphemism for dependence on the goodwill of capricious, if not cruel Muslim overlords. The memoirs of Iraqi Jews, however, tell a very different story: Shamash, who was born in 1912 and spent the last twenty years of her life recording her memories of ‘my Baghdad, my native land’, is not alone in describing her family’s life before the arrival of British troops in World War One as ‘paradise’. Memories of Eden provides as sumptuous an account of the world of the Baghdadi Jewish elite as we’re likely to get. It’s a portrait of the city as seen from inside a qasr, the palace her merchant father built on the banks of the Tigris, facing what is now the Green Zone. Shamash’s extended family lived in the qasr’s separate wings, connected by maslak, ground-floor corridors. The fragrance of walnut and apricot trees pervaded the garden; kebabs were grilled in a tanoor...Muslim healers were consulted when children fell sick...‘All the communities lived together peaceably, teasing each other good-naturedly and without inhibition about their religion,’...

...they [Jews] were mostly left to look after their own affairs, and further advance seemed inevitable. The vast majority lived in cities, apart from a handful of Kurdish Jews. As bankers, traders and money-lenders the wealthier members of the community had made themselves indispensable: so much so that Baghdad’s markets shut down on the Jewish Sabbath, rather than the Muslim day of rest. By the 19th century, Baghdad was famous for its Jewish dynasties – the Sassoons, the Abrahams, the Ezras, the Kadouries – with their empires in finance and imports (cotton, tobacco, silk, tea, opium) that stretched all the way to Manchester, Bombay, Calcutta, Singapore, Rangoon, Shanghai and Hong Kong.

When Balfour announced Britain’s support for the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, leaving Mesopotamia for the kibbutz was the furthest thing from the minds of Baghdad’s Jews. ‘The announcement aroused no interest in Mesopotamia, nor did it leave a ripple on the surface of local political thought in Baghdad,’ Arnold Wilson, the civil commissioner in Baghdad, reported to the Foreign Office after a meeting with a group of Iraqi Jewish notables. Palestine, they had said, ‘is a poor country and Jerusalem a bad town to live in’:

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Compared with Palestine, Mesopotamia was paradise. This is the Garden of Eden, said one; it is from this country that Adam was driven forth...For us Mesopotamia is a home, a national home to which the Jews of Bombay and Persia and Turkey will be glad to come.


Baghdad’s Jews failed to grasp that the rules of the Ottoman game, with its special protections for non-Muslim minorities, no longer applied in the British-ruled provinces of Baghdad, Basra and Mosul, where a mandate was established in 1919...

...The Jewish population grew more receptive to the overtures of Mossad, which had become increasingly active in Iraq since the Golden Square took power, some agents entering the country as volunteers with the British army during the 1941 invasion. Mossad’s objective was not to improve the position of the Jews in Iraq, but to hasten their departure. Pamphlets appeared discouraging Jews from mixing with Arabs, and arguing that any attempt to do so ‘leads to butchery’.

The Israeli government circulated stories about Iraqi ‘pogroms’ and ‘concentration camps’ and denounced the hanging of seven Jews charged with Zionist activism in March 1949 – executions that Mossad’s own agents in Baghdad insisted had never occurred. Unless Iraqi Jews were allowed to emigrate, Israel warned, it would back armed resistance to al-Said’s government, or find itself unable to prevent Iraqi Jews already in Israel from killing Palestinians in revenge. The Israelis also began to promote the idea of a ‘sorting out’ of populations, involving a swap of Iraqi Jews for an equal number of Palestinian refugees, an idea quietly encouraged by the Foreign Office: ‘National exuberance is a phenomenon which is going to last a long time in the Middle East. On the whole, elimination of awkward minorities is likely to cool rather than fan the flames.’ If Israel was a sanctuary for Iraq’s Jews, it was also among the reasons they were in such desperate need of one.

By 1950, thousands of Jews had fled; many crossed into Iran on horseback with the help of Arab and Kurdish smugglers. Embarrassed by this ‘wildcat immigration’, the Iraqi Chamber of Deputies decided to take matters into its own hands with the Denaturalisation Law of 4 March 1950. The US Embassy in Baghdad agreed with Tawfiq al-Suwaida that mass emigration was unlikely, so long as Israel ‘pursues a policy of moderation and agrees to a peace settlement considered not too unreasonable by the Arabs’.But the ‘ingathering of the exiles’, not a peace settlement, was Israel’s goal,  for strategic as much as sentimental reasons. Israel had conquered 20 per cent more territory than it had been allotted under the partition agreement, and it needed more Jews to settle the land, particularly along the border. As Kedourie bitterly remarked, Israel ‘set out to help the Iraqi government to achieve its national unity; it was one of these tacit, monstrous complicities not entirely unknown to history.’ The Foreign Office learned of the agreement between al-Suwaida and ‘Richard Armstrong’ of Near East Air Transport through its channels in Tel Aviv, not Baghdad.

‘Why didn’t someone come to see us instead of negotiating with Israel to take in Iraqi Jews?’ the chief rabbi of Baghdad, Sasson Khedourie, wondered. ‘Why didn’t someone point out that the solid, responsible leadership of Iraqi Jews believed this to be their country – in good times and bad – and we were convinced the trouble would pass?’ Iraq’s Jews, who had tended to wait for trouble to pass, had to be pushed into leaving. And pushed they were, in a series of attacks which began with the Abu Nawas bombing in April 1950 and resumed in 1951, as the deadline to register to leave Iraq approached. It’s long been rumoured – and many Iraqi Jews fiercely believe it – that Israeli agents orchestrated these bombings in order to drive the Jews to emigrate...

By 8 March, when the deadline was due to expire, more than one hundred thousand Jews had registered...

...Somekh flew to Israel on 21 March 1951 with two hundred other Jews. Their ‘exile’ had ended, but he ‘saw no one kneeling down to kiss the sacred ground’. Before they could leave the plane, passengers were told to remain seated while a man sprayed them with DDT...

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v30/n21/adam-shatz/leaving-paradise
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Reply #29 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 1:31pm
 
Israeli mossad Bombings In Iraq To Encourage Jewish Emigration To Israel


*On March 19, 1950, a bomb exploded in the American Cultural Center and Library wounding some of the Jewish intellectuals using the facilities.

*In April, 1950, a bomb was thrown into El-Dar El-Bida Coffee shop in Baghdad. Four Jews were injured in the blast.

*On May 10, 1950, a grenade was thrown at Beit-Lawi Automobile company building, a company with Jewish ownership.

*On June 3, 1950, a grenade exploded in El-Batawin, then a Jewish area of Baghdad.

*On June 5, 1950, a bomb went off next to the Jewish Stanley Sashua building on El Rasjid Street.

*On January 14, 1951, a grenade damaged a high-voltage cable outside Masouda Shem-Tov Synagogue. Depending on different accounts, three, or four Jews were killed, including a 12-year old boy, and ten were wounded.

*In March, 1951, the US legation's information office was attacked.

*In May, 1951, a Jewish home was attacked

*In June 1951, a Jewish shop was attacked
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