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Reply #105 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:25pm  
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 11:43am:
The baby bonus is a key component in helping families to transition for a comfortable double income life as a couple into the single income family unit.

We needed (and used correctly) the $5,000 payment we received.

When you consider that we paid over $10,000 per month in tax as a couple it is not as if we didn't pay for it many times over is it?

Would you rather see decent, middle income families get help or would you rather drop outs, who contribute little and are basically just oxygen stealers who do nothing for their handout other than exist.I know who I would rather help.

Decent, ordinary, hard working Australian families providing for the next generation.

How old fashioned eh?

Much better to give it to losers, deadbeats and other assorted scum who turn up in boats.





Leaving aside the inherent offensiveness of that comment, I'd
rather see the NEEDY get that money.

Sole-parents, the unemployed, and pensioners.

That baby bonus is equivalent to nearly six months 'benefit'
for someone on on No-Hope. These people NEED and
DESERVE that money.

Someone on $200,000+ clearly neither needs NOR deserves it.
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Reply #106 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:28pm  
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Leave it to us accountants.

I can (and have) made a profitable department make a loss on paper and a loss-making entity report a profit.

All above board too.

We are magicians.

I earned $32,500 in Australia in 2008 you know....  Grin
Andrei's post in another thread, just before writing this response in this thread.

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I am asking how you can possibly justify taking over $9,000 in tax per month of a single couple.

Then turn around and tell that same couple they are not entitled to help.

This is the problem with a place like Australia.
Andrei

So, what happened between 2007 and 2008, did you learn a new magic trick?

Even if your wife stopped working, and your income was cut in half, the resultant 54k claimed to have been paid in tax is 21.5k more than you declared as earnings for the next year.

All above board, of course, and I am sure it is morally defensible too in some plane of consciousness I luckily do not share with you.
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Re: Dump The baby bonus ????
Reply #107 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:30pm  
cods wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:20pm:
... wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 11:49am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 11:43am:
The baby bonus is a key component in helping families to transition for a comfortable double income life as a couple into the single income family unit.

We needed (and used correctly) the $5,000 payment we received.

When you consider that we paid over $10,000 per month in tax as a couple it is not as if we didn't pay for it many times over is it?

Would you rather see decent, middle income families get help or would you rather drop outs, who contribute little and are basically just oxygen stealers who do nothing for their handout other than exist.

I know who I would rather help.

Decent, ordinary, hard working Australian families providing for the next generation.

How old fashioned eh?

Much better to give it to losers, deadbeats and other assorted scum who turn up in boats.



Cmon, let's be honest - you didn't NEED it at all did you?  If you still reckon you did,  you need a crash course in running a household budget.  I earn half of what you do, I've got a mortgage and 2 kids, and yet the baby bonus from my 2nd is still being spent on an overseas holiday, because the kids have everything they need and more.  It was nice to get, but I didn't need it, but I am not so naive to think that there aren't others who would benefit immensely from it, or that a persons value is linked to how much money they have.




wesley a few short years ago no one dreamed of being paid to have children....its got nothing to do with affording...its all ab out morality now..

I agree this should be stopped once and for all.. but now its all tied up with the paid maternity leave and thats even more outrageous than the baby bonus.



yes, but a few short years ago, your average house cost 3x average wage, and now it's 8x.  These gains in wealth have overwhelmingly been made by the baby boomer generation at the expense of the next gen.  Throwing $5K to those just starting out doesn't even cover a fraction of the relative increases in the cost of living caused by the established players.
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Reply #108 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:37pm  
cods wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:20pm:
I agree this should be stopped once and for all.. but now its all tied up with the paid maternity leave and thats even more outrageous than the baby bonus.





If you ever slide out from under your rock, you would realise that outside of the USA , parental leave is the "norm" in pretty much every other country in the WORLD
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Reply #109 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:49pm  
Dump the unnecessary baby bonus and replace it with FREE bowel cancer testing kits, and flu vax on the NHS. Another sneaky little thing the government has done behind our backs. The flu vaccination has been on the NHS list for as long as I can remember....not any more. I suppose they had to cut back on a lot of health funding to pay for AFL lol

Paving the way for private health yes.
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Reply #110 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:52pm  
mozzaok wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:28pm:
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Leave it to us accountants.

I can (and have) made a profitable department make a loss on paper and a loss-making entity report a profit.

All above board too.

We are magicians.

I earned $32,500 in Australia in 2008 you know....  Grin
Andrei's post in another thread, just before writing this response in this thread.

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I am asking how you can possibly justify taking over $9,000 in tax per month of a single couple.

Then turn around and tell that same couple they are not entitled to help.

This is the problem with a place like Australia.
Andrei

So, what happened between 2007 and 2008, did you learn a new magic trick?

Even if your wife stopped working, and your income was cut in half, the resultant 54k claimed to have been paid in tax is 21.5k more than you declared as earnings for the next year.

All above board, of course, and I am sure it is morally defensible too in some plane of consciousness I luckily do not share with you.



In 2008 I became a domiciled non-tax resident of Australia with the agreement with the ATO.
I had a company domiciled in the Channel Islands, employed to provide a service, I then worked for that company and took a wage which I declared in Australia.

The difference was I became a non-resident because I had a clear intention to return to the United Kingdom.

I didn't claim the baby bonus, it was in my wife's name. I was not entitled to it in 2008.

Like I said to you, I do not believe, nor engage in, tax evasion.
That's illegal and as a member of the ICAEW I would be thrown out should I do so.
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Reply #111 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:55pm  
Kat wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:25pm:
Someone on $200,000+ clearly neither needs NOR deserves it.



Someone on $200,000 has clearly PAID FOR IT ALREADY.

What the bugger has some oxygen stealing unemployed loser done for the country and what has he done to deserve it?

They just exist, that's about it.

Well done, thank you for existing, here have some money.....
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Reply #112 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:59pm  
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:55pm:
Kat wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:25pm:
Someone on $200,000+ clearly neither needs NOR deserves it.



Someone on $200,000 has clearly PAID FOR IT ALREADY.

What the bugger has some oxygen stealing unemployed loser done for the country and what has he done to deserve it?

They just exist, that's about it.

Well done, thank you for existing, here have some money.....



And of course, nobody born to poor parents could ever hope of achieving anything at all eh? 

I pity you for your attitude that a persons value can be measured in dollar terms.
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Reply #113 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 1:03pm  
buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:37pm:
cods wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:20pm:
I agree this should be stopped once and for all.. but now its all tied up with the paid maternity leave and thats even more outrageous than the baby bonus.





If you ever slide out from under your rock, you would realise that outside of the USA , parental leave is the "norm" in pretty much every other country in the WORLD










I dont FN care...

and I dont live under a rock thank you and for someone who lambasts andrei for daring to compare our lifestyle with the Yanks.. well you have a lot of room to talk.

and as you have never had children what the hell would you know.

you are always telling everyone how clever and well off you are.. well your not that clever and I couldnt careless how well off you are..

so if you dont have something decent to say.. please shut up.

what is it with the retards from the left... never a decent thing to say always spitful and got nothing to do with the topic...
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Reply #114 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 1:04pm  
... wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:59pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:55pm:
Kat wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:25pm:
Someone on $200,000+ clearly neither needs NOR deserves it.



Someone on $200,000 has clearly PAID FOR IT ALREADY.

What the bugger has some oxygen stealing unemployed loser done for the country and what has he done to deserve it?

They just exist, that's about it.

Well done, thank you for existing, here have some money.....



And of course, nobody born to poor parents could ever hope of achieving anything at all eh?  

I pity you for your attitude that a persons value can be measured in dollar terms.



I don't value a person in terms of money.
I value people in terms of what they do.

We've all had tough times in our lives haven't we? Me included.

It's just I have no time for idle losers.

I also believe people who have paid into the country deserve to get assistance as well.
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Reply #115 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 1:08pm  
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:55pm:
Kat wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:25pm:
Someone on $200,000+ clearly neither needs NOR deserves it.



Someone on $200,000 has clearly PAID FOR IT ALREADY.

What the bugger has some oxygen stealing unemployed loser done for the country and what has he done to deserve it?

They just exist, that's about it.

Well done, thank you for existing, here have some money.....




Well, maybe they've WORKED for the last thirty or
foryt years, but have lost their jobs. Ever think of that?.

Why DO you people persist in your ignorant misconception
that, simply because someone is unemployed, that they
always HAVE been, and/or always WILL be?

That attitude/belief is ignorant, arrogant, untrue, discriminatory
and downright offensive.
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Re: Dump The baby bonus ????
Reply #116 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 1:20pm  
cods wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 1:03pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:37pm:
cods wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:20pm:
I agree this should be stopped once and for all.. but now its all tied up with the paid maternity leave and thats even more outrageous than the baby bonus.





If you ever slide out from under your rock, you would realise that outside of the USA , parental leave is the "norm" in pretty much every other country in the WORLD










I dont FN care...

and I dont live under a rock thank you and for someone who lambasts andrei for daring to compare our lifestyle with the Yanks.. well you have a lot of room to talk.

and as you have never had children what the hell would you know.








I take the time to
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You should give it a GO
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Reply #117 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 1:22pm  
buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 1:20pm:
cods wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 1:03pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:37pm:
cods wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:20pm:
I agree this should be stopped once and for all.. but now its all tied up with the paid maternity leave and thats even more outrageous than the baby bonus.





If you ever slide out from under your rock, you would realise that outside of the USA , parental leave is the "norm" in pretty much every other country in the WORLD










I dont FN care...

and I dont live under a rock thank you and for someone who lambasts andrei for daring to compare our lifestyle with the Yanks.. well you have a lot of room to talk.

and as you have never had children what the hell would you know.








I take the time to
RESEARCH
, before I open my mouth
You should give it a GO









I'd rather you actually contributed to Australia financially first please.
Smiley

You and I come from the same background - difference is you have done half what I have.

Get out and get a job you fking lazy oik.
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Reply #118 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 1:32pm  
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:11pm:
Sappho wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:09pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:02pm:
When you consider in 2007 how much tax we paid into Australia - can you honestly tell me we had not paid for that baby bonus tens of times over???


When you consider in 2007 how many worthy federal programs were under funded - can you honestly tell me that we should be redirecting much needed tax dollars into much less important tax concessions for the middle and working classes which history has shown are more than capable of providing for their newborns without govt. welfare???


I am asking how you can possibly justify taking over $9,000 in tax per month of a single couple.

Then turn around and tell that same couple they are not entitled to help.

This is the problem with a place like Australia.


What on earth is a single couple?

That aside... if a couple is paying out $9000 in tax as a net figure... that is after any tax rebates or returns... then they are not in need of financial help because the income that would be needed to generate such a tax bill is significant.

You seem to want to justify your entitlement to what you don't need over and above seeing those tax dollars go towards social policy and people in dire need.

Just imagine what could be done for those with mental health issues if money given as the baby bonus was redirected towards mental health policy.
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Re: Dump The baby bonus ????
Reply #119 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 1:33pm  
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 1:22pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 1:20pm:
cods wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 1:03pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:37pm:
cods wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 12:20pm:
I agree this should be stopped once and for all.. but now its all tied up with the paid maternity leave and thats even more outrageous than the baby bonus.





If you ever slide out from under your rock, you would realise that outside of the USA , parental leave is the "norm" in pretty much every other country in the WORLD










I dont FN care...

and I dont live under a rock thank you and for someone who lambasts andrei for daring to compare our lifestyle with the Yanks.. well you have a lot of room to talk.

and as you have never had children what the hell would you know.








I take the time to
RESEARCH
, before I open my mouth
You should give it a GO









I'd rather you actually contributed to Australia financially first please.
Smiley

You and I come from the same background - difference is you have done half what I have.

Get out and get a job you fking lazy oik.





Despite your SCURRILOUS attempts at SLANDER - I HAVE a job
And I KNOW you are aware of that


And I've paid FAR more tax into this county in MY lifetime - than you EVER will in YOURS
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