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Re: Dump The baby bonus ????
Reply #135 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 2:17pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 2:12pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 1:54pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 1:53pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 1:38pm:
Sappho wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 1:37pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 1:34pm:
I have heard it all now.

Now you want the money going to the nutjobs?


I want the money going to those who are most vulnerable and most in need.



I find it offensive a country thinks a couple should pay $9k in tax per month.
No matter where this money goes.



Want to let us in on how much was made to be paying $9000 in tax?
Or would that sorta ruin the poor me act?



No I don't think that has any value to what we are discussing.


Of course not, but lets play anyway. Smiley
9 x 12 = 108
108K p/annum in tax
Tax in country is roughly 27% of gross with everything factored in but lets make it easy & cut you some slack & make it 30%
$360000 p/annum before tax
$252000 after tax

Yep lucky we gave you that 5K otherwise you might have gone under Cheesy



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Reply #136 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 2:20pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 2:12pm:
Of course not, but lets play anyway. Smiley
9 x 12 = 108
108K p/annum in tax
Tax in country is roughly 27% of gross with everything factored in but lets make it easy & cut you some slack & make it 30%
$360000 p/annum before tax
$252000 after tax

Yep lucky we gave you that 5K otherwise you might have gone under Cheesy


But smithy, you don't seem to be appreciating that the poor bugger has to now pay 91cents per litre in petrol! 

and don't forget his air conditioning bill because he has to have it on 24/7.
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Reply #137 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 2:28pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 2:16pm:
Come on smithy, that was an extra weeks wages, and like he said, he needed it to buy nappies. Grin




And as I pointed out, and which was conveniently ignored, is
the FACT that this $5K is FOUR MONTHS' worth of 'benefit' for
a single unemployed person.

And they NEED and DESERVE it FAR more than
someone on $200K+ a year.

I find it sickening that someone on $200K+ can begrudge that
$5K to someone who needs it FAR more than they do.

Some of you really do have NO idea.
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Reply #138 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 2:48pm
 
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Yes, and Rudd flying 100+ cronies, including his personal hairstylist  to copenhagen for the climate wankfest.  But we couldn't touch that could we?  Nar...better to deny young families a few bob to assist raising their children, than to deny the PM a hairdresser for a week






CHRIST  - you people are full of CRAP !



Rudd broke TWO traditions, for PM's travelling overseas

1/ He doesn't take his own personal doctor along
He would use a consulate or embassy doctor, if required

2/ He stays at Australian embassies, rather than expensive hotels






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Reply #139 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 3:02pm
 
I'm sorry, Kat, I know you hate it when people say these sort of things...

But there really, truly, ARE people out there who rote the welfare system....whether it's Newstart or DSP pensions...it DOES happen...

And when you see people who are, generally, semi-professional shoplifters walk into a shop, with a newborn in a 2nd hand pram, and buy 2 Xboxes, a DVD player, a big screen TV and 3 cartons of cigarettes with the 'baby bonus' money....it becomes incredibly obvious...


There ARE people around who work the system, and do everything possible to stay on benefits that they don't deserve......it's a small percentage, true.....but they DO exist.....Deal with it.
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Reply #140 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 3:12pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 3:02pm:
I'm sorry, Kat, I know you hate it when people say these sort of things...

But there really, truly, ARE people out there who rote the welfare system....whether it's Newstart or DSP pensions...it DOES happen...

And when you see people who are, generally, semi-professional shoplifters walk into a shop, with a newborn in a 2nd hand pram, and buy 2 Xboxes, a DVD player, a big screen TV and 3 cartons of cigarettes with the 'baby bonus' money....it becomes incredibly obvious...


There ARE people around who work the system, and do everything possible to stay on benefits that they don't deserve......it's a small percentage, true.....but they DO exist.....Deal with it.


How can you buy all that stuff on a fortnightly payment system mate?

Its hasnt been a lump sum payment for ages.
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Reply #141 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 3:17pm
 
... wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 1:39pm:
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Just imagine what could be done for those with mental health issues if money given as the baby bonus was redirected towards mental health policy.



Am I the only one who sees some potential benefit to paying the baby bonus to 'low income' parents?  Just imagine what could be done for a whole range of issues if parliamentary pensions, or needless layers of bureaucracy were trimmed instead!  
Why do frivolous perks for public servants and 'jobs for the boys' never get mentioned as examples of funds that could be better re-directed to those in need, while things that DO assist - like the baby bonus are staring down the barrel?  Stockholm syndrome?


An excellent post lost amongst a wank fest.
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Reply #142 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 3:19pm
 
Verge wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 3:12pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 3:02pm:
I'm sorry, Kat, I know you hate it when people say these sort of things...

But there really, truly, ARE people out there who rote the welfare system....whether it's Newstart or DSP pensions...it DOES happen...

And when you see people who are, generally, semi-professional shoplifters walk into a shop, with a newborn in a 2nd hand pram, and buy 2 Xboxes, a DVD player, a big screen TV and 3 cartons of cigarettes with the 'baby bonus' money....it becomes incredibly obvious...


There ARE people around who work the system, and do everything possible to stay on benefits that they don't deserve......it's a small percentage, true.....but they DO exist.....Deal with it.


How can you buy all that stuff on a fortnightly payment system mate?

Its hasnt been a lump sum payment for ages.



It was a few years ago, before they did the first 'mini-fix'( about 2006 or 2007, in truth), true...But the basic concept remains the same..

Even so, an extra $400 per fornight, on top of the single parent benefit and whatever the 'child endowment' payment is called this week is not to be sneezed at...
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Reply #143 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 3:20pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 2:48pm:
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Yes, and Rudd flying 100+ cronies, including his personal hairstylist  to copenhagen for the climate wankfest.  But we couldn't touch that could we?  Nar...better to deny young families a few bob to assist raising their children, than to deny the PM a hairdresser for a week






CHRIST  - you people are full of CRAP !



Rudd broke TWO traditions, for PM's travelling overseas

1/ He doesn't take his own personal doctor along
He would use a consulate or embassy doctor, if required

2/ He stays at Australian embassies, rather than expensive hotels







Is that so?  Even if he didn't take a personal dcotor, he DID take his hairdresser, dessert chef and 4 photographers.  But they're all essential aren't they?

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Prime Minister Kevin Rudd should downsize his Copenhagen bandwagon if he's serious about cutting emissions, says the federal opposition says.

Newly-appointed shadow minister for climate action, Greg Hunt, said Mr Rudd could do without a hairdresser, dessert chef and four photographers at the United Nations climate summit in Denmark.

"I would challenge Mr Rudd today to reduce the size of his bandwagon... by 25 per cent," Mr Hunt told Sky News' Sunday Agenda.

"If he wants to make a real reduction in emissions, reduce the size of your delegation Mr Rudd."

Mr Rudd on Friday defended the 114-strong Australian delegation against criticism that it was too large.

Mr Hunt said reports suggesting the contingent was staying in a hotel where a bowl of soup cost $50 showed Mr Rudd was wasting money."If he wants to make a real saving for the Australian budget, he probably doesn't want an extra 25 people paying $50 for a bowl of soup," he said.

"And I guess its probably $200 for a nice bottle of chardonnay that they'll sit down and have every evening.

"So be serious, reduce the size of the delegation, let's debate Tony Abbott before you go, and that way we can be focused on the real things, talk to Australian families about what will be the impact on them."

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/pm-criticised-over-copenhagen-entourage-20091213-kpza.html
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Reply #144 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 3:26pm
 
... wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 3:20pm:
Is that so?  Even if he didn't take a personal dcotor, he DID take his hairdresser, dessert chef and 4 photographers.  But they're all essential aren't they?

Quote:
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd should downsize his Copenhagen bandwagon if he's serious about cutting emissions, says the federal opposition says.

Newly-appointed shadow minister for climate action, Greg Hunt, said Mr Rudd could do without a hairdresser, dessert chef and four photographers at the United Nations climate summit in Denmark.

"I would challenge Mr Rudd today to reduce the size of his bandwagon... by 25 per cent," Mr Hunt told Sky News' Sunday Agenda.

"If he wants to make a real reduction in emissions, reduce the size of your delegation Mr Rudd."

Mr Rudd on Friday defended the 114-strong Australian delegation against criticism that it was too large.

Mr Hunt said reports suggesting the contingent was staying in a hotel where a bowl of soup cost $50 showed Mr Rudd was wasting money."If he wants to make a real saving for the Australian budget, he probably doesn't want an extra 25 people paying $50 for a bowl of soup," he said.

"And I guess its probably $200 for a nice bottle of chardonnay that they'll sit down and have every evening.

"So be serious, reduce the size of the delegation, let's debate Tony Abbott before you go, and that way we can be focused on the real things, talk to Australian families about what will be the impact on them."

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/pm-criticised-over-copenhagen-entourage-20091213-kpza.html


...so all you have is a statement made by ... Greg Hunt? Question: does he know what 100 km2 is yet?
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Reply #145 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 3:26pm
 
Wayne Swan -

Entire team flew with him in FIRST CLASS to London.

Cost to the Taxpayer -

$65,000.

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Reply #146 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 3:27pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 3:26pm:
Wayne Swan -

Entire team flew with him in FIRST CLASS to London.

Cost to the Taxpayer -

$65,000.



Hickory not paying his tax, cost to the tax payer?

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Reply #147 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 3:29pm
 

Four Labor staff in $60,000 first-class trip

WHILE the world slid into recession, the Federal Government spent almost $60,000 flying four senior staff first class to London to attend a G20 meeting held to deal with the credit crunch.

The Age believes that staff on the flight accompanying Treasurer Wayne Swan were Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's economics adviser Andrew Charlton, Mr Swan's chief of staff Chris Barrett, senior media adviser Matthew Coghlan and media officer Lou Cullen.

It is normal practice for government staff to fly business class — but official guidelines allow them to travel in the same class as a minister or parliamentary secretary when they are travelling on the same service.

The Coalition yesterday seized on the information as evidence of wasteful spending in a tough financial climate. But the Treasurer's office hit back, accusing the Opposition of hypocrisy for criticising staff travel arrangements that also applied under the Howard government.

In response to a question on notice from Liberal senator Michael Ronaldson, Mr Swan said the Government had spent $58,915.70 on return first-class flights for four staff from Canberra to London for the meeting.

"I find it unbelievable that with the global financial crisis and a $58 billion deficit, the Treasurer and Prime Minister allow their staff to swan around in the pointy end of the plane, drinking champagne and eating canapes," Senator Ronaldson said. He added: "This is typical of the Rudd Labor Government — demand belt tightening from the Australian people, but then allow this sort of wasteful indulgence for its own staff."

Earlier, Senator Ronaldson sent out a press release correcting his earlier claim that eight people had travelled first class.

A spokesman for Mr Swan said that Mr Ronaldson's comments were hypocritical, as Mr Swan's travel arrangements were "exactly the same as the previous Treasurer's travel arrangements, including for staff."

He said the travel was acceptable because it was for important preparatory work. "The Treasurer attended the meeting of finance ministers of the world's largest 20 economies convened to develop urgent global responses to the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression, accompanied by four ministerial staff," the spokesman said.
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Reply #148 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 3:30pm
 
Mr Swan said the Government had spent $58,915.70 on return first-class flights for four staff from Canberra to London for the meeting.




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Reply #149 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 3:31pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 29th, 2011 at 3:02pm:
But there really, truly, ARE people out there who rote the welfare system....whether it's Newstart or DSP pensions...it DOES happen...

And when you see people who are, generally, semi-professional shoplifters walk into a shop, with a newborn in a 2nd hand pram, and buy 2 Xboxes, a DVD player, a big screen TV and 3 cartons of cigarettes with the 'baby bonus' money....it becomes incredibly obvious...






Costello made TWO fundamental ERRORS when he started the "Baby Bonus"



1/ It should have been means tested (or have been added to taxable income)


2/ It should have been either given in the form of ...

a/ Ten fortnightly payments of $500

or ...

b/ Vouchers redeemable at a wide range of baby supply and children's clothing outlets





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