longweekend58 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2011 at 4:12pm:




nope your wrong longy it will be more like $40 per tonne we are WORLD LEADERS REMEMBER.

and by golly if it means shutting the whole country down we will to prove IT WORKS.. might take a 1000 years but who cares..

the mentality of this crowd is a bit of a worry

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2011 at 10:23am:





so you admit then that this TAX will have a mighty affect upon everyone.. regardless of compensation the idea is to get all cars off the road...gawd does that go for the trucks/ambulances as well?.. well whats the point otherwise..

fortunately our economists...  now we are told this is an economic problem and not scientific.. oh well.. we know gillard changes her mind with her undies..but really ..

as for doing less harm...how will we know????..its like waiting for the second shoe to drop...


how can you tell if one way works. when you dont try both ways...

its all very well telling me to stop driving my car. what if I am in an electric wheelchair is that out as well.. because the bill will kill me with a heart attack anyway


smithy this for me isnt about telling labor they are not doing enough..

its about them not being honest and giving us the right to say what we want.. if its all wonderful and we will all becomes richer and better off as they call it.. well what have they got to lose?.

is that really to much to ask for?


when someone in business is rich anyway..

and then along comes someone and says hey your gonna have to pay a lot more for that.. what do you think that business man is going to do..

will he stop producing said product that will cost a lot more.

will he say oh I have enough money I will obsorb that extra cost.

or will he just pass on that extra cost to the next level.. who will in turn pass it on again.

its a toughy but you guys know everything you know that this TAX WILL stop emmissions.. and clean up the our world and we will all live happily ever after............

how long will we have to wait to find out how right you are?

BTW  what sort of a carbon footprint do the Grand Prix,  Bathurst and the Gold Coast Indy  leave ?

Maqqa wrote on Mar 26^th, 2011 at 11:36am:


You accuse me of leaving things out, yet you pretend that the government's policies that do address the global situation don't exist. The government has a very effective policy for handling international negotiations on GHG emissions. Your argument against the government relies entirely on dumbing things down to the extent of ignoring what the government is actually doing.

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You are completely missing the point gizmo. they don't have to spend millions or billions. The point of the tax is that it provides the incentive to make the cheap changes without forcing the expensive ones. This is a good thing, not a bad thing. Tony Abbotts retarded policy would bypass the cheap options and force the waste of millions of dollars. Sure it is direct and will feel good, but it would do far more harm to the economy.

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You are wrong longy.

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No longy, we expect lots of little things. That is the point.

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Cods, choosing the mechanism to reduce emissions is and always has been an economic problem.

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A good start would be understanding the economic implications. It is actually quite simple.

nichy wrote on Mar 26^th, 2011 at 4:12pm:


$180,000 would be about the entry rate considering that some dragline operators in the coalfields get more than that. You think that's a lot?

In the line at the store, the cashier told the older woman that plastic bags weren’t good for the environment. The woman apologized to her and explained,      
“We didn’t have the green thing back in my day.”

That’s right, they didn’t have the green thing in her day.

Back then, they returned their milk bottles, Coke bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, using the same bottles over and over. So they really were recycled.

But they didn’t have the green thing back her day.

In her day, they walked up stairs, because they didn’t have an escalator in every store and office building. They walked to the grocery store and didn’t climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time they had to go two blocks.

But she’s right. They didn’t have the green thing in her day.

Back then, they washed the baby’s diapers because they didn’t have the throw-away kind. They dried clothes on a line, not in an energy gobbling machine burning up 220 volts – wind and solar power really did dry the clothes. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing.

But that old lady is right, they didn’t have the green thing back in her day.

Back then, they had one TV, or radio, in the house – not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a pizza dish, not a screen the size of the state of WA. In the kitchen, they blended and stirred by hand because they didn’t have electric machines to do everything for you.


But of course they didn’t have the green thing back her day.


When they packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, they used wadded up newspaper to cushion it, not styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap.


But they didn’t have the green thing back her day.

Back then, they didn’t fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. They used a push mower that ran on human power. They exercised by working so they didn’t need to go to a health club to run on
treadmills that operate on electricity.

But she’s right, they didn’t have the green thing back then.

They drank from a fountain when they were thirsty, instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time they had a drink of water. They refilled pens with ink, instead of buying a new pen, and they replaced the razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull.

But they didn’t have the green thing back then.

Back then, people took the bus, train or tram or walked and kids walked, rode their bikes to school or took the school bus, instead of turning their Mums into a 24-hour taxi service.


But they didn’t have the green thing back her day.


They had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And they didn’t need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 2,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest pizza joint.

But they didn't have the green thing back then!


its interesting when you think they blame the industrial age for all this carbon..

well if you read the above.. it makes you wonder really becaue its right.. we did everything in moderation when I was young..in fact we didnt have garages for our cars because we didnt have cars.

now each member of the family has their own car.their own TV their own computer hookup.DVD. gameboy whatever it take it takes POWER.. stuff we didnt use when I was growing up.. some will think this is even stranger but my mum and dad had to put money in a box to access electricity.. it was called a meter box..it had a padlock on it only the meterman had a key too..

no washing machine in those days gas copper..now this is not all that long ago..so can we hold the babyboomers responsible for all this carbon????

as the world suddenly went raving mad not when industry came about.. but when some got to much too soon.

Equitist wrote on Mar 26^th, 2011 at 9:03am:

The Op can't work out that the selected quote cements the science of global warming!



Tony Abbott would laugh his guts out at him!