Lisa,
Quote:Abu ... you do realise that the more you THINK YOU CAN DEFINE ASPECTS OF MY ANCESTRY FOR ME .... the more annoying it tends to make me feel.
It's all well and good to look back on Greek and Roman history thousands of years later, and to claim them as "Western", but the simple fact was that in their time, they were quite clearly facing towards the Middle East, not towards Western Europe. They learnt their alphabet from the Middle East, they looked up to the Egyptians as the centre of civilisation in their time, they were quite clearly and obviously a part of the Middle Eastern centred civilisation, not of any Western civilisation, because Western European civilisation simply didn't exist back then. Western Europeans were barbaric cavemen who danced around stone altars, in animal skins chanting like primitives. This is simple historical fact. The Greeks even looked at the Romans as uncouth barbarians when they first came along.
This is nothing to do with ancestry, this is just simple historical fact. Trying to tie it into your ancestry and make it all emotional might sound quite powerful and awe-inspiring for you, but for anyone with an iota of logic in their body, it's just pathetic.
Quote:Now .. let's get back to THE ACCEPTED AND RECOGNISED DEFINITION OF WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD (BAR ABU OF COURSE) .. officially defines WESTERN EUROPE AS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Europe
Well if it's on wikipedia, then that settles it. Sorry to have suggested otherwise. I have now been corrected, and concede to the all-knowing and all-powerful wiki.
And if you actually bothered to read that article, you'd see that according to most definitions, Greece is not considered part of Western Europe. Also in case you hadn't realised, these definitions refer to _modern_ Europe, not Europe in the timeframe we were speaking about... don't let that little fact get in the way though. Just keep ploughing along with your emotional rant.
From your link:
Western Europe as defined by National Geographic Society:
Western Europe as defined by the United Nations Statistics Division (light blue):
Greece & Italy are both part of Southern Europe by this definition.
Either way, my statement was meant in reference to Western Europeans (Germanic peoples) who formed the basis of the modern Western world, and who were completely separate from the Greek & Roman civilisations, apart from the fact they occasionally bothered to campaign amongst them, and civilise them a little, or just massacre them, depending upon the mood they were in.
Quote:Abu .. it would be most advantageous for you to avail yourself of some basic learning material in this area before ASSUMING what issues may possibly affect me as a 39 yr old individual of Mediterranean descent in 2010.
Right... so because you brought yourself as an anecdotal exhibit, therefore that proves that all the Middle East is suffering from genetic disorders... thanks for that. I'm glad we settled that one with clear evidence and knowledge and scientific methodology.
Great one.
Quote:NB NO 1st cousin marriages were ever allowed (thank God) and the practice of marrying 2nd and 3rd cousins stopped over a hundred yrs ago (again I say thank God).
Right... and just to be as scientific as you to prove my position, I know of hundreds of people who are the product of generation after generation of first cousin marriages, and none of them have this disorder, therefore that proves that you are wrong and I am right.
Quote:I'm a tad curious now .. does the above statement pertain to 2010 .. does it pertain to Oz .. and does the above statement concern you at all Annie?
That's the way God created us. He made us come to maturity at a certain age, just because Australia or any other country sets a specific age doesn't change the biological reality of our bodies. Just because the calendar ticked over to 2010 doesn't all of a sudden mean it changes the biological reality of our bodies does it?
Come on, your arguments are all based on emotionally-charged rants and nothing else. Not a scrap of evidence, not a hint of scientific methodology, just pure emotional nonsense.
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