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Reply #120 - Mar 24^th, 2010 at 9:29pm

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 24^th, 2010 at 9:31am:

Actually Karnal, the fault here is with the Muslims who talk about implementing Shari'ah law. This is not Shari'ah law at all. It's merely a few aspects of family and contract law that they mean. They shouldn't use the word Shari'ah law, knowing how susceptible Westerners are to basing their opinions about things on very little knowledge of them.

It's like Aboriginal tribal laws in parts of Australia or Jewish Halachic laws in Britain, they are not actually implementing those law systems, but merely some non-binding parts of them used amongst mutually agreeing parties and having recognition under the common law.

Like with everything else regarding Islam though, we only hear about the supposed mountain, never the molehill that better fits the reality.

Ignorant people are usually ignorant for a reason, because they don't have the capacity to think beyond a very limited scope.

The mountain is this - there is a non-negotiable, fundamental inequality built into every aspect of Islamic law: a woman is only half a man. Apply islamic principles (don't even call the sharia) to family law, civil disputes about property, inheritance matters, neighbourhood disputes, anything, and see if it is compatible with Western law. ANd that's just one incompatible element.

The aspect of voluntary use of Islamic courts, and therefore its supposed acceptability to women is spurious because in Islamic families, patriarchy rules (just like it did everywhere a 100 years ago). But now is now, not a 100 years ago. Back than, it may have not bee so different but now, Islamic legal thinking is hoopelessly incompatible with Western law, especially in domestic matters. 500 years ago Islam did not have to resort to appeals to 'minority rights' or some such weepy subterfuge - they marched in, cut your balls off if you were luck, you head if you weren't and bingo! It was Sharia law all round.

Who hasn't heard of the Trojan horse or salami tactics? It is no secret that islam wants to dominate and has a much longer view of such things than the kiddies today who think history started 50 years ago when hirsute Arabs were only known for their love of shopping at Harrods.

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Reply #121 - Mar 25^th, 2010 at 8:57am

Soren wrote on Mar 24^th, 2010 at 9:29pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 24^th, 2010 at 9:31am:

Actually Karnal, the fault here is with the Muslims who talk about implementing Shari'ah law. This is not Shari'ah law at all. It's merely a few aspects of family and contract law that they mean. They shouldn't use the word Shari'ah law, knowing how susceptible Westerners are to basing their opinions about things on very little knowledge of them.

It's like Aboriginal tribal laws in parts of Australia or Jewish Halachic laws in Britain, they are not actually implementing those law systems, but merely some non-binding parts of them used amongst mutually agreeing parties and having recognition under the common law.

Like with everything else regarding Islam though, we only hear about the supposed mountain, never the molehill that better fits the reality.

Ignorant people are usually ignorant for a reason, because they don't have the capacity to think beyond a very limited scope.

The mountain is this - there is a non-negotiable, fundamental inequality built into every aspect of Islamic law: a woman is only half a man. Apply islamic principles (don't even call the sharia) to family law, civil disputes about property, inheritance matters, neighbourhood disputes, anything, and see if it is compatible with Western law. ANd that's just one incompatible element.

The aspect of voluntary use of Islamic courts, and therefore its supposed acceptability to women is spurious because in Islamic families, patriarchy rules (just like it did everywhere a 100 years ago). But now is now, not a 100 years ago. Back than, it may have not bee so different but now, Islamic legal thinking is hoopelessly incompatible with Western law, especially in domestic matters. 500 years ago Islam did not have to resort to appeals to 'minority rights' or some such weepy subterfuge - they marched in, cut your balls off if you were luck, you head if you weren't and bingo! It was Sharia law all round.

Who hasn't heard of the Trojan horse or salami tactics? It is no secret that islam wants to dominate and has a much longer view of such things than the kiddies today who think history started 50 years ago when hirsute Arabs were only known for their love of shopping at Harrods.

I'm assuming you were around in the hirsute 1980s, Soren, so I'll ask you this:

When did you come to the conclusion that Islam was the enemy of the Western world?

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Reply #122 - Mar 25^th, 2010 at 9:41am

karnal - i'll ask you this:
what the bugger are you scum doing in any land of free speecha nd democracy?
you swine are opposed to either, why live here?
we don't like you.
Why not go to a backward ideolgical repressive country where yoou can oppress your wives and any infidels who are idiotic to go there ?

please answer these, deflective muslim

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Reply #123 - Mar 25^th, 2010 at 10:25am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 25^th, 2010 at 9:41am:

karnal - i'll ask you this:
what the bugger are you scum doing in any land of free speecha nd democracy?
you swine are opposed to either, why live here?
we don't like you.
Why not go to a backward ideolgical repressive country where yoou can oppress your wives and any infidels who are idiotic to go there ?

please answer these, deflective muslim

We love you, my sister, that is why we are here. We come to make peace in your beautiful land and bring you all to Allah and His prophet, peace be upon him.

Soon, this radiant land will shine with the fear of God and His holy law. We will cleanse you of your evil ways so that you may enter paradise when you are taken by the sword of jihad.

Look upon your words, oh infidel, they are of hatred and fear. Come to Allah and know only fear of God, insh'alla. Learn from the prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him, and rise against your evil ways.

Abbah Nilahtah!

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Reply #124 - Mar 25^th, 2010 at 10:50am

sorry karnal,
i don't like paedophiles, let alone follow them.
mohammad was an illiterate sex addicted war lord.
he offers a straightjacket of laws, no freedom of spirituality.

read the koran, then read the bible. the two books are mutually exclusive.
the NT and OT are inextricably linked in many ways.
the koran regresses and has no mentioning of many of the values in the bible

the koran just a piece of poo, it shows no relationships or emotions, states no places, times, geneology, is VERY badly written and shown in a chaotic timeline.
it shows violence as being correct and the most extreme the best.

so, go suck poo

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Reply #125 - Mar 25^th, 2010 at 11:17am

Big Donger wrote on Mar 25^th, 2010 at 8:57am:

Soren wrote on Mar 24^th, 2010 at 9:29pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 24^th, 2010 at 9:31am:

Actually Karnal, the fault here is with the Muslims who talk about implementing Shari'ah law. This is not Shari'ah law at all. It's merely a few aspects of family and contract law that they mean. They shouldn't use the word Shari'ah law, knowing how susceptible Westerners are to basing their opinions about things on very little knowledge of them.

It's like Aboriginal tribal laws in parts of Australia or Jewish Halachic laws in Britain, they are not actually implementing those law systems, but merely some non-binding parts of them used amongst mutually agreeing parties and having recognition under the common law.

Like with everything else regarding Islam though, we only hear about the supposed mountain, never the molehill that better fits the reality.

Ignorant people are usually ignorant for a reason, because they don't have the capacity to think beyond a very limited scope.

The mountain is this - there is a non-negotiable, fundamental inequality built into every aspect of Islamic law: a woman is only half a man. Apply islamic principles (don't even call the sharia) to family law, civil disputes about property, inheritance matters, neighbourhood disputes, anything, and see if it is compatible with Western law. ANd that's just one incompatible element.

The aspect of voluntary use of Islamic courts, and therefore its supposed acceptability to women is spurious because in Islamic families, patriarchy rules (just like it did everywhere a 100 years ago). But now is now, not a 100 years ago. Back than, it may have not bee so different but now, Islamic legal thinking is hoopelessly incompatible with Western law, especially in domestic matters. 500 years ago Islam did not have to resort to appeals to 'minority rights' or some such weepy subterfuge - they marched in, cut your balls off if you were luck, you head if you weren't and bingo! It was Sharia law all round.

Who hasn't heard of the Trojan horse or salami tactics? It is no secret that islam wants to dominate and has a much longer view of such things than the kiddies today who think history started 50 years ago when hirsute Arabs were only known for their love of shopping at Harrods.

I'm assuming you were around in the hirsute 1980s, Soren, so I'll ask you this:

When did you come to the conclusion that Islam was the enemy of the Western world?

It has never been anything but the enemy of the West in its 1400 years history.

It has never been anyything but the enemy of the non-muslim world, if that 'inclusiveness' makes you feel bnetter.

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Reply #127 - Mar 25^th, 2010 at 11:41am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 25^th, 2010 at 10:50am:

sorry karnal,
i don't like paedophiles, let alone follow them.
mohammad was an illiterate sex addicted war lord.
he offers a straightjacket of laws, no freedom of spirituality.

read the koran, then read the bible. the two books are mutually exclusive.
the NT and OT are inextricably linked in many ways.
the koran regresses and has no mentioning of many of the values in the bible

the koran just a piece of poo, it shows no relationships or emotions, states no places, times, geneology, is VERY badly written and shown in a chaotic timeline.
it shows violence as being correct and the most extreme the best.

so, go suck poo

Thank you for your compliments, my sister. Poo is a delicacy in our religion - may you have much poo to eat as well!

It does not matter if you are not yet a paedophile. You can learn this with time, by the grace and fear of God. Obey the will of God and you too can love the little children, insh'alla.

You are a very wise aunt, habibi.

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Reply #128 - Mar 25^th, 2010 at 4:29pm

Big Donger wrote on Mar 25^th, 2010 at 11:33am:

Soren wrote on Mar 25^th, 2010 at 11:17am:

It has never been anything but the enemy of the West in its 1400 years history.

It has never been anyything but the enemy of the non-muslim world, if that 'inclusiveness' makes you feel bnetter.

Yes, but that wasn't what I asked, was it?

You should have asked "when did you have an opportunity to conclude that Islam is NOT the enemy of the West?" I haven't had that opportunity. That it is has been always the enemy of the west is a conclusion everyone draws at the end of the firtst history lesson about it in middle school. That's when I also drew that conclusion, so that's my answer to your question.

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Reply #129 - Mar 26^th, 2010 at 1:27pm

Soren wrote on Mar 25^th, 2010 at 4:29pm:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 25^th, 2010 at 11:33am:

Soren wrote on Mar 25^th, 2010 at 11:17am:

It has never been anything but the enemy of the West in its 1400 years history.

It has never been anyything but the enemy of the non-muslim world, if that 'inclusiveness' makes you feel bnetter.

Yes, but that wasn't what I asked, was it?

You should have asked "when did you have an opportunity to conclude that Islam is NOT the enemy of the West?" I haven't had that opportunity. That it is has been always the enemy of the west is a conclusion everyone draws at the end of the firtst history lesson about it in middle school. That's when I also drew that conclusion, so that's my answer to your question.

That first history lesson must have covered quite a bit, Soren. You've always hated Islam? Have you come into contact with many Muslims? It doesn't sound like there would have been many in a Danish middle school, anyway.

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Reply #130 - Mar 26^th, 2010 at 6:35pm

Big Donger wrote on Mar 26^th, 2010 at 1:27pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 25^th, 2010 at 4:29pm:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 25^th, 2010 at 11:33am:

Soren wrote on Mar 25^th, 2010 at 11:17am:

It has never been anything but the enemy of the West in its 1400 years history.

It has never been anyything but the enemy of the non-muslim world, if that 'inclusiveness' makes you feel bnetter.

Yes, but that wasn't what I asked, was it?

You should have asked "when did you have an opportunity to conclude that Islam is NOT the enemy of the West?" I haven't had that opportunity. That it is has been always the enemy of the west is a conclusion everyone draws at the end of the first history lesson about it in middle school. That's when I also drew that conclusion, so that's my answer to your question.

That first history lesson must have covered quite a bit, Soren. You've always hated Islam? Have you come into contact with many Muslims? It doesn't sound like there would have been many in a Danish middle school, anyway.

" first history lesson about it ", I said. Anyway, do I need to meet actual nazis to learn about their ideology and aims?
And no matter how nice individual muslims may be, the aims of Islam do not change.

Please don't be so militantly thick.

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Reply #131 - Mar 26^th, 2010 at 10:10pm

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You've always hated Islam? Have you come into contact with many Muslims? It doesn't sound like there would have been many in a Danish middle school, anyway.

Don't underestimate our soren. He really loves hanging around Muslims, he's quite the groupie. Prior to moving to OzPolitic, he actually used to spend most of his time endearing himself to the Muslims on Aussiemuslims.

He just likes to act all Islamophobic so the others don't think he's a pansey.

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Reply #132 - Mar 26^th, 2010 at 10:13pm

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 24^th, 2010 at 3:28pm:

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docctors doing abortions do it legally and at request. they do not want to take over the world and make everyone have an abortion.

You're really not playing with a full deck of cards are you sprint?

He meant abortionist-performing doctors have more to fear from Christian extremists trying to kill them than cartoonists do from Muslims.

Unless of course they work in the twin towers. Or anywhere in the middle east.

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Reply #133 - Mar 26^th, 2010 at 10:35pm

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 26^th, 2010 at 10:10pm:

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You've always hated Islam? Have you come into contact with many Muslims? It doesn't sound like there would have been many in a Danish middle school, anyway.

Don't underestimate our soren. He really loves hanging around Muslims, he's quite the groupie. Prior to moving to OzPolitic, he actually used to spend most of his time endearing himself to the Muslims on Aussiemuslims.

He just likes to act all Islamophobic so the others don't think he's a pansey.

Just doin' my patriotic duty - annoying you back...

Actually, it is a service to you, too, proding you along the path of reform. You can benefit from asking yourselves 'why do we Muslims p!ss them off so much, even the intelligent ones? What do they expect from us'. I am helping you to formulate an answer to that for yourselves.

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Reply #134 - Mar 27^th, 2010 at 6:47pm

Soren wrote on Mar 26^th, 2010 at 10:35pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 26^th, 2010 at 10:10pm:

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You've always hated Islam? Have you come into contact with many Muslims? It doesn't sound like there would have been many in a Danish middle school, anyway.

Don't underestimate our soren. He really loves hanging around Muslims, he's quite the groupie. Prior to moving to OzPolitic, he actually used to spend most of his time endearing himself to the Muslims on Aussiemuslims.

He just likes to act all Islamophobic so the others don't think he's a pansey.

Just doin' my patriotic duty - annoying you back...

Actually, it is a service to you, too, proding you along the path of reform. You can benefit from asking yourselves 'why do we Muslims p!ss them off so much, even the intelligent ones? What do they expect from us'. I am helping you to formulate an answer to that for yourselves.

Yes - gentle service along the path to reform - lightly guiding and prodding the Muselmen along the path to civilized Enlightenment values. A freelance consultant lending his voice.

I'm assuming from your post that you don't know any Muslims. I'm also assuming that you haven't read the Koran (beyond the odd passage) or any other Muslim text (with any attempt at understanding).

I know you've read a few things ABOUT Islam, but given your distance, how could you possibly know the aims of Islam?

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