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Reply #165 - Jul 10th, 2011 at 12:29am
 
Good work FD

There are so many perspective to perceive the Qu'ran.

If we suspend our belief that this is inspired by Allah and look at the Qu'ran as a doctrine of common sense written as a guide for people of that time then it certainly takes on new meaning

"Idiot's guide to everything" is the modern version of the Qu'ran

The connotation of the Qu'ran is very sexist and oppressive. You can almost tell that Mohammed was a jilted man so he's taking revenge on womenhood. You can beat them. You can have sex with them. You can demand sex from them. You can have more than one wife.

The message is pretty clear!!

If Allah loved all - then he would treat all equally.

Inequality is a man-made concept
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Reply #166 - Jul 12th, 2011 at 10:24am
 
Maqqa wrote on Jul 10th, 2011 at 12:29am:
Good work FD

There are so many perspective to perceive the Qu'ran.

If we suspend our belief that this is inspired by Allah and look at the Qu'ran as a doctrine of common sense written as a guide for people of that time then it certainly takes on new meaning

"Idiot's guide to everything" is the modern version of the Qu'ran

The connotation of the Qu'ran is very sexist and oppressive. You can almost tell that Mohammed was a jilted man so he's taking revenge on womenhood. You can beat them. You can have sex with them. You can demand sex from them. You can have more than one wife.

The message is pretty clear!!

If Allah loved all - then he would treat all equally.

Inequality is a man-made concept


lol...its funny how your such an expert on a book that you haven't even read.

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Reply #167 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 7:58pm
 
Inquiry exposes fear of Muslims

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/inquiry-exposes-fear-of-muslims/story-fn9hm1gu-1226409557512

AUSTRALIANS are comfortable with multiculturalism and racial diversity, but an overwhelming number of people have expressed concerns that Muslims are not integrating and are coming to Australia to impose their values on the nation.

A far-reaching bipartisan federal parliamentary inquiry into the nation's acceptance of culturally diverse communities, due to report in August, will conclude that the largest issue facing the nation is the acceptance of Muslims, who many Australians fear have an agenda not at one with the country's values.

Labor MP Maria Vamvakinou, who chairs the inquiry, has told The Australian her committee believes the country needs strong political leadership to address the crisis over Islam.

She said the committee looking at multiculturalism would not extend "rights" and would not recommend the introduction of a multicultural act because people resented being told what to think.

The strengthening of laws has been on the agenda and this is the first time it has been ruled out.

"No, the multicultural act won't happen, and neither is sharia law," Ms Vamvakinou told The Australian.

"I think we do not need to prescribe things and I felt that people resent that there is this prescription for behaviour and this issue is too important to the broader community to let it fester.

"Australians are comfortable with multiculturalism. We don't think a multicultural act will help multiculturalism. People don't need new laws here."

Instead of increasing laws, Australia needed to address how it could continue the positive elements of multiculturalism "without creating the sense of new rules being imposed".

She said her committee was looking at recommending that the issue of Islamic acceptance engage political leadership because of alarming levels of discomfort with Muslims.

Ms Vamvakinou also said the committee had been overwhelmed by complaints that the multicultural system was failing to equip new Australians with language skills and suitable work.

She said the system was not helping migrants and refugees at the front door, particularly by failing to provide adequate language tuition and also by failing to recognise migrants' unique qualifications.

"Clearly, there is a belief among some people that there is a worldwide agenda for Islamists to bring their values into Australia. There is a view that multiculturalism is a way for Muslims to come in and impose their views under the guise of multiculturalism.

"Our approach is not to ignore this. There is a section of the community that thinks this way. We think we need strong leadership on this because it emerged as a big issue. We have to balance this between people's fears and the real facts," she said.

Ms Vamvakinou said her committee would try to present the government with a unified response, rather than one that has dissenting reports by politicians of different views. "In the past decade, multiculturalism was a political football and I think that caused a lot of damage," she said.
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Reply #168 - Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:18pm
 
Two other threads about this:

Islam & Aussie Values Wiki Entry

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1218709393

Islam and Australian secular values

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1417441534



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Radical Islam and western values cannot coexist peacefully

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/radical-islam-and-western-values-cannot-coexist-peacefully/story-e6freon6-1227178804093

LET’S get one thing straight; every attack perpetrated by Islamic extremists is an attack against freedom of speech, whether they’re terrorising journalists and cartoonists at a satirical magazine in Paris or bystanders having a quiet coffee in Sydney.

These callous cowards seek to silence dissenting voices by waging a war of terror against anyone who dares question their twisted, totalitarian worldview.

The time for weasel words and treading on eggshells is over. We owe it to the growing number of victims to open our eyes and acknowledge the unmistakable reality that radical Islam and Western values cannot coexist peacefully.

These extremists despise our way of life; our freedom, openness and diversity are an affront to their despotic, backward attitudes.

We must stop pretending that these incidents have nothing to do with Islam. They quite clearly have everything to do with extremist Islam and the sooner we admit this truth the better we can work to protect our people and values from this ever-present scourge.

Islamic extremism is a global problem that moderate, peaceful Muslims need to unconditionally condemn and help solve instead of engaging in games of deflection.

The viciousness of these subhuman savages was on display on the streets of Paris as they walked up to an injured policeman lying helpless on the ground and shot him dead at point-blank range without missing a step. It mattered not that Ahmed Merabet was himself a Muslim. They didn’t care that his arms were raised in surrender; he was shown no mercy.

These are not people who can be reasoned with or counselled into adopting our values of humanity, tolerance and liberty.

We in the West must stop blaming ourselves for these acts of brutality. There are those among us, the so-called “progressives”, who seek to explain the behaviour of terrorists by pointing the finger at the victims.

According to these enlightened souls, homegrown terrorism is really our fault. We are to blame for not being welcoming enough, for creating an underclass of disenfranchised young men, for being part of the US-led coalition in the Middle East, for supporting Israel’s right to exist, for printing cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed, for raising the terror alert level … indeed, if you rationalise hard enough, any act can be considered provocation to Islamic extremists. For some tyrants, free speech is itself an incitement to violence.

This mass-scale victim blaming is an insult not only to the victims but also the overwhelming majority of Muslims migrants who appreciate the abundant freedoms and opportunities available to them in countries like Australia.

It’s a mistake to presume that all Islamic people want us to change our ways or laws to better fit the values of their homeland.

But there is undoubtedly a minority of troublemakers who seek to change our free societies into the type of place they fled from and, as we have seen around the world, it only takes one radicalised attacker to cause wide-scale mayhem.

The barbaric death cult that is Islamic State has inspired a new legion of radicalised Islamic men, and even some women, to commit atrocities in the name of Allah against Western targets. But let’s not forget that it’s other Muslims who are the biggest victims of Muslim extremism.

On the same day that three heavily armed gunmen butchered 12 innocent people in Paris, there was another terror attack in Yemen where a suicide bomber killed dozens of police recruits outside a station. The death toll stands at 37 and is expected to grow.

However, it’s when these acts of base brutality occur in Western nations that many fully appreciate the threat radical Islam poses to the world. We should feel comfortable to readily call out elements within any culture or religion that are incompatible with our cherished values of equality, freedom and democracy.

It’s time politicians, including the Prime Minister, stopped tiptoeing around issues involving cultural or religious sensitivities for fear that they’ll be labelled intolerant.

Nothing is gained by pandering to extreme elements in the vain hope that we’ll impress upon them that the path to assimilation is preferable to fundamentalism.

The fear of Islamophobia and the illusory nonsense of a redneck backlash against the Muslim community have become a bat to beat down all valid criticism.

It is worth noting that while the French satirical magazine CharlieHebdo poked fun at Islam, it also regularly satirised Christianity and Judaism, and yet there have been no attacks by enraged Catholics or Jews. This reveals the lie that all religions are equally bloodthirsty; in the 21st century only one religion is at the centre of terror attacks around the world.

Only followers of one religion who think they are entitled to butcher those who offend their prophet. Frankly, if your all-powerful deity is so fragile that a cartoon poses a threat then you may want to reconsider your belief system.
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Reply #169 - Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:18pm
 
The editor of Charlie Hebdo, Stéphane Charbonnier, said in a 2012 interview, a year after his magazine’s headquarters were firebombed by Muslim extremists angry with a satirical cartoon, that they would continue “until Islam is made as ho-hum as Catholicism”.

Shamefully, at the time, there was no shortage of progressives willing to blame the magazine and its staff for “inciting” the attack.

In the same interview Charbonnier said: “I’d rather die standing than live on my knees.” Tragically, he was among those murdered this week by Islamic extremists.

We cannot be scared into silence or intimidated into self-blame; the problem lies with radical Islam not our Western democratic societies.

RITA PANAHI IS A HERALD SUN COLUMNIST
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Reply #170 - Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:22pm
 

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Reply #171 - Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:52pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:18pm:
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So, having an "ethnic name" suddenly makes one an expert on Muslims and Islam, FD?

Interesting woman Rita Pahani.  Tell me, FD do you agree with her belief that McDonalds should be allowed to open branches in Childrens Hospitals?  Do you think McDonalds promotes a healthy lifestyle to childrens' eating habits?

She and Herbie would get along very well, I suspect.
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Reply #172 - Jan 9th, 2015 at 10:05pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:18pm:
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So, having an "ethnic name" suddenly makes one an expert on Muslims and Islam, FD?

Interesting woman Rita Pahani.  Tell me, FD do you agree with her belief that McDonalds should be allowed to open branches in Childrens Hospitals?  Do you think McDonalds promotes a healthy lifestyle to childrens' eating habits?

She and Herbie would get along very well, I suspect.

Buzz orf Brain, you are irrelevant.

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Reply #173 - Jan 9th, 2015 at 11:56pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:22pm:


Really?  It looks like primitive Islamophobia to me.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #174 - Jan 9th, 2015 at 11:57pm
 
Soren wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 10:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:18pm:
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So, having an "ethnic name" suddenly makes one an expert on Muslims and Islam, FD?

Interesting woman Rita Pahani.  Tell me, FD do you agree with her belief that McDonalds should be allowed to open branches in Childrens Hospitals?  Do you think McDonalds promotes a healthy lifestyle to childrens' eating habits?

She and Herbie would get along very well, I suspect.

Buzz orf Brain, you are irrelevant.


Really?  Why do you keep replying to me then, Soren?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #175 - Jan 25th, 2015 at 10:53pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 11:57pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 10:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:18pm:
Written by a bona fide ethnic person


So, having an "ethnic name" suddenly makes one an expert on Muslims and Islam, FD?

Interesting woman Rita Pahani.  Tell me, FD do you agree with her belief that McDonalds should be allowed to open branches in Childrens Hospitals?  Do you think McDonalds promotes a healthy lifestyle to childrens' eating habits?

She and Herbie would get along very well, I suspect.

Buzz orf Brain, you are irrelevant.


Really?  Why do you keep replying to me then, Soren?   Roll Eyes

Because I do not want you to think that you can get away with being an eyewateringly stupid and tendentious apologist - spineless apologist.



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Reply #176 - Jan 25th, 2015 at 11:13pm
 
Soren wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 10:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 11:57pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 10:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:52pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:18pm:
Written by a bona fide ethnic person


So, having an "ethnic name" suddenly makes one an expert on Muslims and Islam, FD?

Interesting woman Rita Pahani.  Tell me, FD do you agree with her belief that McDonalds should be allowed to open branches in Childrens Hospitals?  Do you think McDonalds promotes a healthy lifestyle to childrens' eating habits?

She and Herbie would get along very well, I suspect.

Buzz orf Brain, you are irrelevant.


Really?  Why do you keep replying to me then, Soren?   Roll Eyes

Because I do not want you to think that you can get away with being an eyewateringly stupid and tendentious apologist - spineless apologist.


Increasingly desperate for attention you mendacious person, Soren?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #177 - Feb 3rd, 2015 at 8:52am
 

Recent tragedies have led to a long-overdue Australian awakening to the threat posed by Islamist ideology

Muslims must acknowledge our terrible ownership of Islamism: while all Muslims are not Islamists, all Islamists are Muslims. Islamism is birthed of Muslims, not of Islam. Islamism shelters from within Islam, but deserves no such protection, least of all from Muslims. Islamism preys on the ignorance of Muslims, and the beneficence of non-Muslims. Islamism exploits the religious privileges accorded to faith in secular democracies while an imposter posturing as a spiritual belief.

Distinguishing Islam, a heterogeneous, pluralistic, spiritual monotheism, from Islamism, an expressly political, totalitarian, religionised neo-fascism reliant on the twin genocidal buttresses of jihadist violence and virulent anti-Semitism
is the work of Muslims, and by and large, solely of Muslims
. It is only legitimate Muslims who can strangle our deadly Mar-e-Asteen; the viper in our bosom.

The task is monstrous. Islamism has long been nurtured by opportunist Muslim powers. Islamism inspires the lethally anti-Semitic charters of Hamas and Hezbollah, legitimizes the barbarity of Isis, buoys the battle cries of Boko Haram, demands the Taleb assassinate Malala, drives the executioners of Pakistani polio workers, and is the handmaiden of rebel opponents to the butcher Assad. Islamism exploits the mechanics of democracy as it infects the organs of democracy. Islamism alone, under the aegis of the wahabi theocracy of Saudi Arabia, and its eager sidekick Pakistan, has pushed for multiple UN resolutions to criminalise ‘Islamophobia’ while the phobia itself remains undefined, deliberately so.

Citizens approached me about the Australian jihadist whose seven year old son was photographed with a head his father had severed. How could this originate in Australia? Their disbelief mirrored my own anguish – how could Islam birth such sadists among us?

Wherever there is freedom to engage in ideas, we run the risk of rearing Islamism in our midst. Wherever there is cause for social ills, disparities, disenfranchisement, shielded from scrutiny, masquerading as faith Islamism will prey, and breed unchecked. Australia’s awakening today is a reminder we are all, in the free thinking world, caught in the crosshairs of a raging battle. If we are to evade the viper’s strike, it will demand not only an Australian, but an international awakening.

Qanta Ahmed 31 January 2015
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Reply #178 - Feb 3rd, 2015 at 10:05am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 11:13pm:
you mendacious person, Soren


Tut tut Brian, ad hominem, that's very naughty. Grin Shocked Cool Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Cool Shocked Grin
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Reply #179 - Feb 3rd, 2015 at 10:35am
 
Soren wrote on Feb 3rd, 2015 at 8:52am:


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Distinguishing Islam, a heterogeneous, pluralistic, spiritual monotheism, from Islamism,....is the work of Muslims,...

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Qanta Ahmed 31 January 2015




"Distinguishing Islam, a heterogeneous, pluralistic, spiritual monotheism, from Islamism,....is the work of Muslims,..."


Distinguishing ISLAM, from 'ISLAMISM' ?


"Tell him he's dreaming!"




It offends reason to even suggest that the tenets and laws and 'ideals' of Mainstream ISLAM are not in conflict with, and are not totally incompatible with, the ideals of open truth, justice, freedom and democracy.

Ideals which the majority of Australians would support,      ....but ideals which no moslem [the person who is wholly conversant with ISLAMIC 'ideals'] can with any honesty declare that he supports.

....except with a deceitful, LYING tongue.




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Describing Mainstream ISLAM as 'heterogeneous, pluralistic, [and a] spiritual monotheism,' offends all truth and reason;



THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260




THE KORAN....

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29



ISLAMIC LAW....

"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06




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Yadda said....
Quote:

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."





Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, Australians, must be forced to believe the incredible;

"I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger.
And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity'].

But i don't follow that part of my faith.

HONEST!"



Dictionary;
incredible = =
1 impossible to believe.
2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.








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CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0
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Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.


ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['unbelievers'].


.....Basically, fundamentally, all ISLAMIC doctrine translates as enmity, and encourages [criminal] violence, towards ALL non-moslems.








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Quote:

A Study in Muslim Doctrine

"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden, insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."


http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine



Google,
smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

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