I just had an awesome Dinner.  Roast Pork.

Roast kanagaroo is my favourite. You can get them pretty cheap at coles. I do it in a casserole dish on a bed of bunya nuts with sweet ptotato and whatever other veges I have. The flavour soaks into the nuts.

Have you seen my pesto recipe? It also has bunya nuts.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/gardening/basil.html

Well Ive tried sea turtle-QLD and also dugong, wombat. porcupine ie:echidna-kangaroo..my dad tried to get me to eat carpet snake..but no...SORRY dad.

Dugong tastes a lot like turtle and turtle- is not that nice..rubbery and no its NOT like chicken. My husband was a game hunter and we fished and worked up around Cooktown and had permission from the local Indigenous pple to hunt these species..they even hepled us spear turtles. Mud crabs Borroloola Community, Roper river,they  are delicious.

The locla home brew..mango wine ,which is drunk warm..will have an immediate effect on your disgetive system ie: sprinting down the beach to the sea whilst your recently eaten meal is running down your legs, exiting from your back passage, sorry about the visuals, this was ,not me mind..twas a fellow diner. Was funny.

Forgot to mention..my dad caught a lung fish in Maryborough..that was not nice, the pink flesh looked good but they didnt tase good. Not to me anyway..

Ever eaten whale Oceans?

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2007 at 12:13pm:


No Freediver..

you?- what it like ?

We hunted crocodile and wild buffaloo to , never tried those though.

AN, My husband had permits from the Government..he shot feral animals and as for the endangered species , we had permisiion from the INd. Community. The Goverment does not issue permits for endangred species AN..

We also shot kangaroos..had permits for this too..not endangered..never will be ..pollies sit on theyre fat butts and look for theyre next donut to be  delivered..they dont have a clue.

If there is a market..someone will fill the demand..he was a shooter/fisherman before i met him..and I didnt agree with all that went on.

Ausnat wrote on Jun 7^th, 2007 at 12:25pm:



he did hunt buffallo and pigs and we didnt hunt dugong and seaturtle ,,once only on a holiday to the Barrier Reef and assisted by INd pple and with permits.


We didnt hurt the population of these animals... he hunted mainly foxes, and yes pigs too and now hes in NZ shooting Red Deer, he actually lives there now..YAY!!. He,s  very experienced, humane and good at what he does.

Sounds an exciting life oceans. 1/2 your luck.

he is now your ex ?

I think PETA would agree with you there Oceans. They recently launched a campaign promoting whale meat as involving less animal cruelty than factory farming.

I'd gladly become a vegetarian if they legalised hunting PETA members

IQSRLOW wrote on Jun 7^th, 2007 at 2:43pm:



no IQ peta arent perfect..I agree..

Animals die. It's not cruel, it's not pretty but it's necessary.

[quote author=IQSRLOW link=1181129343/15#24 date=1181193062]Animals die. It's not cruel, it's not pretty but it's necessary.


Yes animals die..It IS cruel (in this country)and no its not pretty..but it doesnt have to be cruel..

Why is theyre life and welfare less important than a turtle? Thats my question?

I have no problem Oceans if an animal is killed quickly and humanely - as you say your husband who was a professional hunter, did.

But like you I agree our farming practices leave a lot to be desired.  The breeding of animals for consumption is horrific in some industries.  Australia is slow to implement animal welfare laws and as far as animal export goes, the ALP put a stop to this practice.  When the Liberals got back into power, they could see a lucrative industry and revived it.

Seems as though some people believe that animals feel no pain.

Ausnat wrote on Jun 7^th, 2007 at 4:11pm:



No they have,nt stopped this practice Aussie and Mantra made some good points about the Liberals reviving it..Steve Irwin was a wonderful advocate for live export issues.


A lady I know a lady  from Queensland who has spent her whole life fighting for the banning of live sheep exports..but the bearucracy surrounding this and self interest groups means she makes very little headway. She does not like Peta. The live export indusrty is very lucrative for the Government

Ill put a link to her site.."People Against Live Exports"..


http://www.livexports.com/

Petition signed.

mantra wrote on Jun 7^th, 2007 at 4:08pm:


Most people who believe our farming practises need overhauling are so far removed from what farming life entails that they wouldn't know.

Which is their prerogative. Niche markets are a valuable part of an economy.

The real problems lie when PETARDS hijack farming practises such as mulesing and portray farmers in a bad light. This perpetuates a false image that sticks in the minds of urban eco-warriors that pontificate from their McMansions in suburbia

IQSRLOW wrote on Jun 7^th, 2007 at 5:42pm:



Do you mean issues IQ or actual practices..

And yes ..how is it false?

Farming practices are ,on the whole, archaic.

You are basing that on a false dichotomy which the 'urban eco-warriors' do not accept.

There is nothing inherent to farming that says you have to raise sheep in a hot desert.

So the fact that 'urban eco-warriors' do not understand the way of life is a moot point.

Who you blame for starting the conflict does not affect whether the point is moot. The point is moot because it is not the reason why they oppose the practice. Their opposition is not based on ignorance of the situation.

IQSRLOW wrote on Jun 7^th, 2007 at 5:27pm:



This is the age of technology and information overload  IQ..there are very few pple who are not aware of issues anywhere in the world on anything at all.

We could hardly miss it..

Australia is not only slow to implement laws re: animal welfare but the laws are in some cases cancelling each other out.These laws are fundamentally flawed and self interest groups. making it worse...the RSPCA included ,impede progress by pandering to Ministerial pressure from whoever is in office at the time., as they rely on these Minsters to provide funds to them to keep going. The RSPCA is a sham.As a genuine anuimal welfare advocate..trying to negotiate this minefield of contradictions is a nightmare.

Especially in relation to the Live Export problem.


Our farming practices are desperately in need of overhauling..as I said they are archaic and cruel and anyone who says its not..needs to open thyre eyes and see whats really going on.

IQ, the situation is only complex if you apply a false dichotomy. If you avoid the false dichotomy it is simple: farm something else instead that is suited to the area.

IQSRLOW wrote on Jun 7^th, 2007 at 5:42pm:



If this is the response PETA gets from 'hijacking farming paractices '..this is a good thing..But you dont see anything wrong with farming practices IQ..so you would not agree with that statement.

That is not the real problem..the real problem, from the animal welafre perspective, is beuracrats who use the animal welfare issues as a platform to feather their nests in the name of 'Animal Welfare' when in raelity its a front for theyre shady dealings..its very complex, long and protracted..the animals the last consideration by these groups..who siphon off funds for themselves.

IQSRLOW wrote on Jun 7^th, 2007 at 5:52pm:



They portray the farmer as cruel if the farmer is cruel..If the farmer can muells using an anesthetic ie topical and chooses not to then that is cruel.
Arcahic and backward.


Have you ever seen what happens to a sheep who is mutilated thru a bad muells? It get blown by flies and or dies or bleeds to death.So a farmer who can prevent this and doesnt..ought to be prosecuted . I think your trying to say..cruelty is ok as long as the farmer gets his profit and is not too inconvenienced in having to consider the cost involved, if any , to the welfare and comfort of his animals. He is not god.

So called 'eco warriors' as you call them need to jump up and down about this stuff.

Profits should not come before suffering.


Your post makes no sense to me....sorry.

I like my term better.
I LOVE MEAT!

Have you ever seen what happens to a sheep who is mutilated thru a bad muells? It get blown by flies and or dies or bleeds to death.

Do you even understand why mulesing is performed? Do you understand that a farmer does not want his livestock to die nor inflict needless suffering (which is why mulesing came about)?

I think your trying to say..cruelty is ok as long as the farmer gets his profit and is not too inconvenienced in having to consider the cost involved, if any , to the welfare and comfort of his animals. He is not god. 

It is obvious that you have no idea on the relationship a farmer has with his land and livestock. You have no idea about what constitutes good animal husbandry and it certainly doesn't surprise me nor do I care that you can't comprehend specifics behind my posts.

I guarantee that I have spent more time dealing with livestock than you ever have

"Have you ever seen what happens to a sheep who is mutilated thru a bad muells? It get blown by flies and or dies or bleeds to death."

You didnt even answer the question..muelsing came about a very long time ago..to avaid his sheep from being flyblown..wheres the genuis in that ?


So the practise of mulesing came up to avoid flystrike at the same time causing it? You are either the biggest idiot on the internet or your claims of spending time on a station was a hobby farm to come to that conclusion

So it being 2007 now IQ..why are they still inflicting these cruel practices in this day and age?..for the convenience of farmers..just because something has always been done doesn not mean it should always remain so..where would we be if our doctors were not continually up to speed on the lates that medicine had to offer his patients.

There are better practice developmnets and ideas on the market..but farmers are not picking them up..bottom line ..PROFIT.!!

Here's an idea. Lets fund an anaesthesiologist for all farms from out of the tax free dollars that come from every idiots donation to fundamentalist activists

Your ignorance is astounding and emabarrassing actually...ever heard of topical anesthetics, even the spray on type etc.

Topical anaesthetics? Talk about ignorance , I won't even bother explaining it to you

But muellsing executed badly will cause more problems than it solves  ie: blood loss and sometimes death and or infection because of a gaping wound

So what you are saying is that you have been around people that have practised mulesing that are incompetent?  Considering the source, I am not surprised.

It is obvious that you have an opinion about everything yet lack any knowledge whatsoever.

...end of discussion

It wouldn't have...but drama llama is up to her old tricks 

With indigestion so it seems

Nice. ive quit drinkin.

mmmmm corn soup with ham.... drooooooooooooollllll.

This is interesting - both groups claiming victory like this:

Wool industry claims animals rights win

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Wool-industry-claims-animals-rights-win/2007/06/30/1182624214882.html

After years of wrangling, Australia's wool industry has a claimed victory over US animals rights group People for Ethical Treatment of Animals over its campaign to stop the mulesing of sheep.

The Australian wool industry, one of Australia's largest rural exporters with annual global sales of around A$2.5 billion a year, said in a statement on Saturday that it had won an "historic" agreement from PETA to "stop threatening global retailers over the practice of mulesing until December 31, 2010".

PETA had agreed to this, under mediation, in return for the Australian industry body Australian Wool Innovation agreeing to end a legal case brought in the Federal Court of Australia.

But PETA's founder Ingrid Newkirk said the group was still calling for a boycott of Australian wool.

"We continue to tell everybody - shoppers, retailers - please do not buy Australian wool," she told local radio.

AWI described this as "inevitable spin" by PETA.

In January this year pop star Pink apologised to Australians for calling on consumers, during a concert in Paris, to boycott Australian wool over the "sadistic" practice of mulesing.

Pink, whose real name is Alecia Moore, later said she had been misinformed.

Australian actress Toni Collette in 2005 signed onto a PETA anti-mulesing campaign before later apologising.

Mulesing is unique to Australia where hot and humid weather makes sheep particularly vulnerable to severe fly strike. The practice is to be phased out by December, 2010.

'Win for animal rights' over woolgrowers

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Win-for-animal-rights-over-woolgrowers/2007/06/30/1182624211575.html

A US-based animal rights group is claiming a major legal victory over Australian woolgrowers.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) founder Ingrid Newkirk said Australian Wool Innovation (AWI) has abandoned its two-year-old lawsuit against her group and caved in on a number of key issues in PETA's long-running campaign to ban mulesing.

AWI, a not-for-profit company owned by Australian woolgrowers, filed the lawsuit in the federal court in Sydney two years ago over PETA's global boycott campaign of mulesed Australian wool.

"The extraordinary amount of money AWI was pouring into this case must have raised eyebrows in a number of places down on the farm," Newkirk told AAP.

Comment was being sought from AWI.

PETA's lawyer, Fraser Shepherd, of Sydney law firm Gilbert and Tobin, said AWI's decision to drop its lawsuit was "a clear lesson to other industries that it is extremely unwise to try to silence their critics by using heavy-handed litigation, rather than sensible dialogue".

PETA said under the terms of the agreement, AWI withdrew its lawsuit and pledged to fast-track the development of genetic alternatives to mulesing.

PETA said AWI also agreed not to block a new labelling system that informs consumers and retailers if wool used in an item comes from a mulesed sheep.

The sole concession PETA says it will make is to temporarily halt its call for a consumer boycott of specific retailers who sell clothing using Australian wool.

PETA's campaign had influenced retailers including Liz Claiborne, Abercrombie and Fitch, American Eagle, Timberland, Limited Brands and UK-based chains New Look and George to move away from Australian wool.

"Our message is that animal abusers sue PETA at their peril," Newkirk said.

AWI hit back on Saturday, saying it had won a landmark commitment from PETA to stop threatening global retailers over the practice of mulesing until December 31, 2010.

It said the date was significant because it was when the Australian wool industry had agreed to phase out surgical mulesing.

AWI deputy chief Les Targ said Australian woolgrowers had always put the welfare of their sheep first and business had increased in the past year.

"Since the Federal Court case began, PETA's activities have been curbed and demand for Australian Merino wool has grown, unfettered by the influence of the animal rights movement," Mr Targ said in a statement.

"The last twelve months, the value of wool exports has increased by more than $700 million."

LEASE  AT  HE  NIMALS

Just had lamb chops for lunch, with 'paris' mash - mashed potato and sweetpotato, garlic and thickened cream.

Freediver - never heard of "paris" mash. Sounds good. Done mash with spuds and sweet potato, but not the garlic and thickened cream . mmmmmmmm

mantra - poor veges, they are not safe at your place.
Think of how noble the lamb was, to sacrifice itself like that.
Would be mean of me to NOT accept its sacrifice.
Anyhow, prob won't have dinner tonight, to make up for it. Free range eggs for brekky tomorrow - ok ?

I had the best of all tonight.......  BANGERS AND MASH