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Re: Corruption Deciet and Lies
Reply #45 - Dec 3rd, 2006 at 4:54pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2006 at 3:23pm:
What are your views on the role of government vs the private sector? What goods or services should the government provide, and which should be left to the marketplace?


At this rate all will be gone to private then we all will be paying a high cost.

Hospitals, health care, transport,schools,care these type of services should be government .
Will keep jobs secure and also keep those from private pushing fees through the roof.Our economy will only deal with so much so there needs to be some governance. The point is are you happy with companies charging what they like and if you need it can you afford to pay.
The market place can still run but there will be that safety of nowing that someone isnt just looking after shareholders but the people.

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Reply #46 - Dec 4th, 2006 at 10:15am
 
What about telecommunications, air travel and banking?
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Reply #47 - Dec 4th, 2006 at 11:52am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2006 at 10:15am:
What about telecommunications, air travel and banking?


Well i suppose you could listen to labor but they already knew that privatisation means loss of jobs,loss of rights and pay
and they labor and liberals are still selling off our public assets.

With banking how do you like your bank fees,and more fees and bank profits
this has to change and will if we ever win as you pointed out these are now about profit and share holders not us.
Air Travel that could be fixed with a new carrier and also banking telecomunications well that could involve buy back but would cost.

Or are you just asking for dear old rudd the scud now
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Reply #48 - Dec 4th, 2006 at 12:02pm
 
I don't pay any bank fees. They are for suckers.

So you think the government should get back into those businesses? Or should not have sold them in the first place? What other businesses should the government be running?
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Reply #49 - Dec 4th, 2006 at 12:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2006 at 12:02pm:
I don't pay any bank fees. They are for suckers.

So you think the government should get back into those businesses? Or should not have sold them in the first place? What other businesses should the government be running?


ok
so you dont pay bank fees how about all those that do.
there is no real regulation.
some companies can still be owned by govt but as an asset so therefore can be told we dont need to make that much profit if any but to for better competitive pricing.
get it.
The business we should have as private are those that should have been.
what is going to happen to schools and hospitals those that can pay will be treated and those who cant wont.
that is a couple our states would sell of local councils if they could.
thats labor locking after the people and jobs
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Reply #50 - Dec 4th, 2006 at 12:34pm
 
The business we should have as private are those that should have been.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is what is your underlying philosophy for judging what should be private and what should be government run?
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Reply #51 - Dec 4th, 2006 at 12:41pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2006 at 12:34pm:
The business we should have as private are those that should have been.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is what is your underlying philosophy for judging what should be private and what should be government run?



If it is an essential service then we should keep hold

If we place into private then they have a monopoly on pricing and will then become services for who can afford
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Reply #52 - Dec 4th, 2006 at 12:53pm
 
There are a lot of services that could be considered essential. Air travel would not be at the top of the list.

'They' won't have a monopoly because 'they' are not one entity.
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Reply #53 - Dec 4th, 2006 at 3:19pm
 
Maybe about air travel but then again in this new age people still need to travel large distances and australia is a large country

It would also be good for tourism
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Reply #54 - Dec 4th, 2006 at 3:33pm
 
So how do you judge what is an 'essential' service - ie a service that the government should provide? Maybe you should just give us a list.
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Reply #55 - Dec 4th, 2006 at 5:24pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2006 at 3:33pm:
So how do you judge what is an 'essential' service - ie a service that the government should provide? Maybe you should just give us a list.


Actually this is easy

Take a look at the last 3 lines of the APP constitution
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Reply #56 - Dec 4th, 2006 at 5:47pm
 
Can you be a bit more specific? Every politician would claim that their policies are in the best interests of the public. How would you judge what is in the people's interests? What is it about some indistries and not others that means the government should get involved in them?
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Reply #57 - Dec 4th, 2006 at 8:00pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2006 at 5:47pm:
Can you be a bit more specific? Every politician would claim that their policies are in the best interests of the public. How would you judge what is in the people's interests? What is it about some indistries and not others that means the government should get involved in them?


ok

you email me at swulrich@bigpond.net.au and just be honest

i could use somebody like you on my side think about it and remember be honest
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Reply #58 - Dec 5th, 2006 at 9:45am
 
How about I tell you what I think instead?

Private business should be expected to provide all goods and services, with a few key exceptions - two that I can think of at the moment.

1) Government should supply a service where it would be immoral to leave it to the whims of the free market. For example, it would be immoral to allow a child to forgoe a basic education because their parents cannot afford it. It would be immoral to allow someone to die because they cannot afford basic medical treatment. What we define as 'basic' is where the real debate is as both can be a bottomless pit of expense. Societies tend to spend a large chunk of their GDP on health and education, whether they are poor or rich.

2) Where the market will inevitably fail to provide the 'ideal' level of service and price because it does not meet the assumptions usually taken in economic theory, and where the government is able to do a better job. This is usually the case where the nature of the market leads to a single supplier. For example, we only need one of most road, rail, water, sewerage, power services etc and it would be inefficient to have two suppliers in the same area. You would either end up with twice the infrastructure needed or a monopoly provider charging exorbitant rates. Even with public service inefficiency the government would still give the public a better deal. There are other situations that tend to lead to monopolies where the government could not provide a better service. IT is a good example. The investment needed compared to the marginal cost of a product is large - not because a lot of infrastructure and town planning is needed, but because the marginal cost is almost zero. For example, MS Windows would have cost a fortune to make, but printing another CD for a customer only costs a few cents. This is why microsoft (almost) has a monopoly. The government (even the US government) could not provide a better service because the industry moves so quickly. It doesn't operate in the same way we expect government to. Telecommunications is moving in this direction.

Whether a service is likely to be supplied by a monopoly provider can change with time. The first bank in a new country, the first airline, the first phone company is likely to only be a monopoly provider for a long time, but eventually the market will be big enough for more competitors. This is why the government set up telecom, qantas, CBA etc, and why it later sold them.

Also, even if the government is providing a service, it should contract out most of the work on a competitive basis and carefully separate out those parts of the industry that are best supplied by industry. The government should be in control of the power lines etc, but it should contract out the job of building them and should create a competitive market palce for the supply of power.

Of course all of this does not tell you whether we should be selling telstra, but it does give you a framework for making the decision.
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Reply #59 - Dec 6th, 2006 at 8:39am
 
It looks like we lost something.

If we can bring about stabilisation and growth with public companies then this should be done

also when government sell something it is usually to fund something

So what need are needed

transport,health,education,custom,policing,defence

Maybe we could look at something diferent than telstra or a buy back

The point also is we should look after ourselves first and ensure we are self sufficiant other wise if we require to pay more and import what happens if they say no more
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