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Mar 4th, 2021 at 1:49pm
 
Don't you hate it when delicious food is so intelligent?

https://www.sciencealert.com/cuttlefish-can-pass-a-cognitive-test-designed-for-c...
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Reply #1 - Mar 4th, 2021 at 2:32pm
 
Very interesting.
I've seen a few Cuttlefish (big enough to do the act) who, when Divers get too close to them, shoot out their arms (so to speak) and pull the Regulators out because they somehow 'know' that we need these to breath
(Thankfully 2nd stage Occy's provide a contingency plan for the Diver - but apparently in the Caribbean a Diver had his reg pulled out, put in his Occy and the Cuttlefish again removed the occy - before the Diver had to move away.).

On night dives, Cuttlefish would use the Dive torch as a hunting tool to capture any fish in the light. So I've had one or two follow me to exploit this opportunity.

Also, unlike most of the Animal Kingdom where the 'physically stronger' Male gets to breed. The majority of the Breeding in Cuttlefish is due to the success of the smaller more intelligent Cuttlefish who camoulflage themselves as 'females' to enter the Harem domain of the Bigger Male and breed. So you could say the 'Trannie' male gets the girl.

So it's the 'intelligent' male that gets to breed more, but this might explain why, despite their intelligence - they are a very physically 'fragile' species too (like Humans) as seen with any temperature change like the Whyalla Giant Cuttlefish experienced and numbers dropped off considerably - though I think most must have moved to cooler depths.

Looking into the eye of a Cuttlefish, you could almost see them looking back into one's own eyes - thinking, analysing, etc. Probably why they have worked out that we Humans need our Regulators to breath. They even try to take off masks to tell us to 'back off' if we get too close. I wouldn't be surprised if they can see in varied 'spectrums' like the Predator in those movies. Spectrums that we can't.

A very unique species. We really should bio-engineer them into underwater Military weapons.  Cheesy

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Reply #2 - Mar 4th, 2021 at 2:54pm
 
Imagine if they were long-lived and could manipulate their environment? They'd own the planet!
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Reply #3 - Mar 4th, 2021 at 6:15pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 2:54pm:
Imagine if they were long-lived and could manipulate their environment? They'd own the planet!

Well the Orca has a more advanced brain than ours - if they had hands we'll be stuffed.
But hey, if we learned to communicate with Orca - it might be our downfall, as they won't need 'hands' to MIND CONTROL us. Wouldn't be hard  - Humans have been domesticated by Wheat.  Cheesy Grin
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Reply #4 - Mar 5th, 2021 at 6:52am
 
I've read about the intelligence of cephalopods for some time now.

It seems they may have a higher intelligence than dolphins.
They understand the concept of art and actually make an aesthetic garden around their lairs.

They can solve problems and mazes and even work out more complex situations.

One octopus in a zoo was timing the rounds of a security guard so that it could sneak out of its tank,
Climb into a tank of crabs and grab them to eat and flee back to its own tank before being caught.

Another one didnt like the light in its tank, so it sprayed the light with water to cause it to blow.

Ive also read that their DNA isnt exactly the same as almost every other animal on the planet.
Could they be alien?

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Reply #5 - Mar 5th, 2021 at 8:17am
 
Could we eat them if they were alien?

The eye of an octopus is better than ours and does not have a blindspot.
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Reply #6 - Mar 5th, 2021 at 12:06pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 8:17am:
Could we eat them if they were alien?

The eye of an octopus is better than ours and does not have a blindspot.


Why not?
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Reply #7 - Mar 5th, 2021 at 12:16pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 4th, 2021 at 2:54pm:
Imagine if they were long-lived and could manipulate their environment? They'd own the planet!



Imagine if they had an opposing thumb, and could also walk on land !      Wink


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Reply #8 - Mar 5th, 2021 at 12:34pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 6:52am:
I've read about the intelligence of cephalopods for some time now.

It seems they may have a higher intelligence than dolphins.
They understand the concept of art and actually make an aesthetic garden around their lairs.

They can solve problems and mazes and even work out more complex situations.

One octopus in a zoo was timing the rounds of a security guard so that it could sneak out of its tank,
Climb into a tank of crabs and grab them to eat and flee back to its own tank before being caught.

Another one didnt like the light in its tank, so it sprayed the light with water to cause it to blow.

Ive also read that their DNA isnt exactly the same as almost every other animal on the planet.
Could they be alien?



Cephalopods are incredibly intelligent and I don't think we have discovered their true capabilities mentally. But like Stephen Hawkings, they are physically 'fragile' in many ways despite their versatile appendages. They know it too I'm sure.
I've dived the two secret spots where Octopolis and Octlantis are - where (so far) Octopus gather in 'communities' like no other place on Earth. Many Scientists fly in to come to these two spots - which are off limits to Recreational Dive (tourist) groups for good reason.
Quite amazing, just watching them in action as they play, socialise and even wave their arms at each other as if to say hello to their neighbours and even swap shells and stones with each other (Trade?). The theory is that they congregate to prevail against Bull Rays that can suck them up from their dens. Coming together against a greater threat. It's not like they can find sticks underwater to use as spears against the huge Rays.
My favourite Cephalopod is the Vampire Squid - a primordial and ancient species from well before the dinosaurs, that lives down very deep in the ocean.

We might find that quite a few species on this planet have brain and mind capabilities better than our own in some specific and specialised ways. The Orca brain is obviously far superior to our own. You can fight and scare off a Great White Shark, but if an Orca wants to get you - it will. They know us very well. For a species to understand a 'contract' with humans (like back in old Eden) - to which we broke (typical), is amazing. They even show psychosis when imprisoned in SeaWorld like enclosures and have taken action against Humans - when we lie and deceive.

Lifting a sheet of corrugated iron underwater at the Gravel Loader at Bass Point. The little juvenile Cuttlefish impersonate Blue Ring-Octopus - apparently knowing their deadly potential, as a defense mechanism.
Dolphins are smart too. Only found x3 medium sized Giant Cuttlefish off Whyalla. As I got out of the water - the Dolphins came in to exactly the spots where I had found the Cuttlefish and ate them. I had blown the Cuttlefish cover (sorry guys). I guess the Dolpin know why divers/snorklers come to Whyalla.
A fav story is of a NZ Spearo who had to dive 3 times in order to get a Snapper which exhibited unusual behaviour for a Snapper. Each time the Snapper came in towards that 'shiny spear tip' (that attracts them) - it suddenly turned and darted away. It wasn't until the Spearo felt the hairs on the back of his neck rise and turned around... a big Orca was right behind him Shocked, watching how he was hunting the Snapper. Of course, he said he near pooped himself.

As for the immense Colossus Squid found south of New Zealand, those old pictures of Kraken taking down those old small wooden ships of long ago - now ring very true indeed.
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Reply #9 - Mar 5th, 2021 at 4:05pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 12:06pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 8:17am:
Could we eat them if they were alien?

The eye of an octopus is better than ours and does not have a blindspot.


Why not?


Strange protein!
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Reply #10 - Mar 5th, 2021 at 4:50pm
 

Excellent thread Gordon.


And really good contributions    jasin !


JaSin. wrote on Mar 5th, 2021 at 12:34pm:


.......We might find that quite a few species on this planet have brain and mind capabilities better than our own in some specific and specialised ways. The Orca brain is obviously far superior to our own.

You can fight and scare off a Great White Shark, but if an Orca wants to get you - it will.




I have no doubt that is true.

But i have never heard of wild Orca's attacking humans.

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I believe that there have been incidents where wild Orca's have assisted people in the water.


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Watched a DOCO a few years ago, on Orca's.

The DOCO makers seemed pretty sure, that there has never been a recorded incident of wild Orca's attacking humans in the water !!!




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Reply #11 - Mar 5th, 2021 at 5:20pm
 
Recorded from the Whaling age - there have been quite a few Whalers and sailors lost because of Orca. But Orca were occassionally hunted back then too with the rare exception of Eden and West Coast Canadian Indian tribe being a peaceful co-existence... for a while. Even the best Orca researchers don't jump in willy-nilly with Orca in the wild, like they can with other species. Even Beluga have drowned people swimming with them.

South Australia: 6m Great White trails an Orca pod - homing in on the young in the pod. The Alpha male in front of the pod suddenly dives down deep, while the Pod keep going. Not long after the Alpha Male Orca does a 'great white' trick and comes up from below to 'smash' the big White for an instant kill. The Great White was 60m behind the pod at the time - but 'they' knew it was there behind them.
In SA & WA waters, there are not many Orca so the GW's are used to being the Apex with all the freedom of aggression that comes with it. The east coast GW's are not the Apex and are more 'subdued' in their aggression, because there are far more Orca.
...in South Africa, they are not sure as to why, but there has been a big drop in GW populations recently. Wether it is due to Orca appearing and life in the sea becoming harder to find food due to all the intrusions humans have had on the food chains. Even Whale Sharks are taking bigger fish out of desperation for food.

Mexican Government allows fishermen to shoot Orca - because the Orca are stealing their already decimated fish stocks.  Roll Eyes The world might 'starve' one day, having eaten itself out of house and home due to the demands of over-population. Whale Sharks are now being hunted for food.
Orca have a very good memory, better than 90% of humans by the look of it. If we begin to hunt them out of desperation - they will 'never' forget, if they manage to survive and that wouldn't be good long term  if we want to understand them more. The Orca will attack back.
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Reply #12 - Mar 6th, 2021 at 12:28pm
 
I'm going to watch this tonight.

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Reply #13 - Mar 6th, 2021 at 12:58pm
 
That looks great! Such a great refreshing angle.

What's your 'spirit animal' Gordon?
(Hopefully not a Newt Grin)
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Reply #14 - Mar 6th, 2021 at 2:14pm
 
Fantastic thread/topic!

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