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Reply #45 - Oct 12th, 2025 at 4:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 12th, 2025 at 3:33pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2025 at 3:09pm:
One thing has been holding back the Middle East for centuries
Religious fanaticism has been catastrophic for a region that was once the intellectual hub of the world

Matthew Syed
Sunday October 12 2025, 12.01am, The Sunday Times



There are plenty of intellectuals in one middle eastern country.






Moslems maintain and claim, that ISLAM is THE perfect religion, created by Allah.

OBSERVATION.....
Where there is already perfection.....there is no need or occasion,
for intellectual debate or meandering.


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Not ISLAM...

Psalms 146:8
The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind:
the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down:
the LORD loveth the righteous:
9  The LORD preserveth the strangers;
he relieveth the fatherless and widow:
but the way of the wicked he turneth upside down.


Psalms 119:104
Through thy precepts I get understanding:
therefore I hate every false way.


Proverbs 4:14
Enter not into the path of the wicked,
and go not in the way of evil men.
15  Avoid it, pass not by it, turn from it, and pass away.
16  For they sleep not, except they have done mischief;
and their sleep is taken away, unless they cause some to fall.
17  For they eat the bread of wickedness,
and drink the wine of violence.
18  But the path of the just is as the shining light,
that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.
19  The way of the wicked is as darkness:
they know not at what they stumble.


Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD:
but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.


Jeremiah 9:24
But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me,
that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth:
for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.


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Re: Bendigo moslem community says the mosque will be..
Reply #46 - Oct 13th, 2025 at 11:24am
 
Boring, Yadda, you speak outright bullshit to offend people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Bendigo moslem community says the mosque will be..
Reply #47 - Oct 13th, 2025 at 12:37pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 11:24am:
Boring, Yadda, you speak outright bullshit to offend people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Frank wrote on Oct 12th, 2025 at 1:34am:
Judge says 'the right to offend is precious' as he overturns conviction of man who burnt the Koran


Hamit Coskun, 51, shouted ‘bugger Islam’ as he set fire to the text outside the Turkish consulate in London in February.


After being convicted of a religiously aggravated public order offence and fined £240 in June, he appealed – and a judge has now ruled that Mr Coskun has a ‘right to offend’.

Mr Justice Bennathan told Southwark Crown Court: ‘Burning a Koran may be an act that many Muslims find desperately upsetting and offensive.

‘The criminal law, however, is not a mechanism that seeks to avoid people being upset. We live in a liberal democracy. One of the precious rights that affords us is to express our own views… without the state intervening to stop us doing so.

‘The price we pay for that is having to allow others to exercise the same rights, even if that upsets, offends or shocks us.’

Mr Coskun said he burned the Koran to highlight how Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s constitutionally secular government had become an ‘Islamist regime’.

However during his protest, he was attacked by Moussa Kadri, 59, with a knife who later told police he was protecting his religion.



Tut tut at that, cockwomble.
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Reply #48 - Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:11pm
 
Tut, tut,  such a silly judgement.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Bendigo moslem community says the mosque will be..
Reply #49 - Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:50pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:11pm:
Tut, tut,  such a silly judgement.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Why?
You want blasphemy laws returned to protect Islam?


Would you also want to jail bible burners?  Or only those who offend Islam?
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Re: Bendigo moslem community says the mosque will be..
Reply #50 - Oct 13th, 2025 at 3:10pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:50pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:11pm:
Tut, tut,  such a silly judgement.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Why?
You want blasphemy laws returned to protect Islam?


Would you also want to jail bible burners?  Or only those who offend Islam?


It sounds like that is what he wants.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 5:39pm:
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Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
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7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-...



I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV.  I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.


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Re: Bendigo moslem community says the mosque will be..
Reply #51 - Oct 13th, 2025 at 4:55pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 3:10pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:50pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:11pm:
Tut, tut,  such a silly judgement.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Why?
You want blasphemy laws returned to protect Islam?


Would you also want to jail bible burners?  Or only those who offend Islam?


It sounds like that is what he wants.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 5:39pm:
Quote:
Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
Quote:
7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-...



I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV.  I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.




Bbwiyawn is. a spineless apologist and a total hypocrite.
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Reply #52 - Oct 13th, 2025 at 8:42pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:50pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:11pm:
Tut, tut,  such a silly judgement.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Why?
You want blasphemy laws returned to protect Islam?

Would you also want to jail bible burners?  Or only those who offend Islam?


Whats wrong with giving a religious belief legal protection?  Christianity enjoys it in many Christian states, why not Islam?  Islam is just as majestic as Christianity.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Bendigo moslem community says the mosque will be..
Reply #53 - Oct 14th, 2025 at 5:32am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 8:42pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:50pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:11pm:
Tut, tut,  such a silly judgement.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Why?
You want blasphemy laws returned to protect Islam?

Would you also want to jail bible burners?  Or only those who offend Islam?


Whats wrong with giving a religious belief legal protection?  Christianity enjoys it in many Christian states, why not Islam?  Islam is just as majestic as Christianity.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

It is contrary to freedom of thought and expression.



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Re: Bendigo moslem community says the mosque will be..
Reply #54 - Oct 21st, 2025 at 7:13am
 
Frank wrote on Oct 14th, 2025 at 5:32am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 8:42pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:50pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:11pm:
Tut, tut,  such a silly judgement.   Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Why?
You want blasphemy laws returned to protect Islam?

Would you also want to jail bible burners?  Or only those who offend Islam?


Whats wrong with giving a religious belief legal protection?  Christianity enjoys it in many Christian states, why not Islam?  Islam is just as majestic as Christianity.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

It is contrary to freedom of thought and expression.





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On Islamism & political correctness in Britain.


Edgar Vincent, the first (and, as it happens, the last) Viscount D’Abernon, once remarked that “An Englishman’s mind works best when it is almost too late.” He died in the dark days of 1941 and so did not live to observe how events seemed to corroborate his maxim.

For anyone contemplating the fate of Great Britain today, the primary question would be whether that “almost” is still justified. There are, we think, two interrelated set of problems. One is the rapid Islamification of Great Britain. The other is the triumph of political correctness, the intolerant ideology of “wokeness.” The two are interrelated because the wokeness thrives in part as an excuse for, distraction from, or lubricant of Islamification.

Currently, Muslims account for about 6.5 percent of Britain’s population. That may seem like a small number. But there are two things worth noting. First, the Muslim population is likely to double within decades, in part because of untrammeled immigration from Muslim countries, in part because of the high birth rate of Muslims in Britain.

Second, even at 6.5 percent the Muslim presence reverberates everywhere in British society. In London and many other cities Muslim women parade through the streets in burkas. There are more than 1,800 mosques across Britain. There are also more than eighty Sharia courts operating in the shadow of British law courts. “Muhammad” is far and away the most popular name for boys. More than a quarter of Muslims live in government housing. Ramadan prayers echo not only in mosques but also in such traditionally British institutions as Windsor Castle. The mayor of London is a Muslim, as is the lord mayor of Sheffield and the deputy mayor of Luton. The newly appointed British Home Secretary, in charge of immigration, policing, and national security, is Shabana Mahmood, a Muslim of Pakistani descent. Last year, J. D. Vance speculated that the United Kingdom might well be the “first Islamist country with nuclear weapons,” a contingency, he noted, that would present America with a serious national-security issue.

We have often had occasion in this space to comment on the fate of free speech in Britain. In February, a seventy-four-year-old woman was arrested for holding up a sign outside an abortion clinic. Meanwhile, Muslim rape gangs in Rotherham and elsewhere operate with virtual impunity, but displaying a Union Jack around refugees can get you arrested. Last month, the Irish comedy writer Graham Linehan was met and arrested by five armed policemen when he touched down at Heathrow. His tort? Writing three posts on the social-media platform X critical of transsexuals. He was later released with a bail condition barring him from posting on X.

As we write, U.K. police are docketing “non-crime hate incidents” even as legislation enacting a so-called banter ban is wending its way through Parliament. The practice of recording “non-crime hate incidents” was begun by the police in the early 2000s and reaffirmed in June 2023. In 2022 the London mayor’s office noted that in cases “[w]here there is no criminal offence, but the person reporting perceives that the incident was motivated wholly or partially by hostility, the incident will be recorded as a non-crime hate incident. Police officers may also identify a non-crime hate incident, even where no victim or witness has done so.” In other words, if you say something mean about somebody, prepare to have your remarks—or even just your “whole or partial” hostility—recorded and put into an official database that might then be scrutinized by prospective employers.

Who or what oversees this database? The College of Policing, a quasi-ngo that provides guidance for the police forces of England and Wales. Recording such incidents is not required by Parliament. Rather, it is part of the increasingly vast, quasi-governmental surveillance apparatus that has grown up in formerly free countries such as the United Kingdom.

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Reply #55 - Oct 21st, 2025 at 7:15am
 

The College of Policing approximates “hostility” as the expression of “ill-will,” “ill-feeling,” and “dislike.” Apparently, shouting “We love bacon” outside a mosque qualifies, as a man who was arrested in August for doing that discovered.

Just in case the recording of people saying mean or “hostile” things is not enough to stifle free speech, Britain seems to be on the verge of passing a Labour-sponsored law banning hurtful or possibly hurtful “banter” in pubs and other public places. “Under Labour’s new law,” an article in The Express contends,

employees will be able to take offence on behalf of one of their colleagues. Given that we live in an age in which some are hyper-sensitive, the implications for the hospitality sector of turbo-charging the Equality Act in this way are mind-boggling. What “reasonable steps” will a publican be expected to take to protect his or her staff from overhearing conversations between customers that might upset them?

Will it be sufficient to include a notice on the wall warning customers to keep their opinions to themselves, on issues such as gender neutral toilets, mass immigration and the Israel–Gaza conflict? Or will publicans need to go further and employ “banter bouncers” to eavesdrop on customers and eject anyone for saying something “inappropriate” or “problematic,” such as telling a saucy joke?

Good questions. Already, one pub a day is closing in Britain. Can there be any doubt that the criminalization of banter will accelerate the trend? Or that pubs that remain will be transformed into “sanitized ‘safe spaces’ in which no one dares express a controversial opinion or tell a joke”? And of course, it is not only pubs that will be targeted. There is plenty of banter elsewhere in British society.

Which brings us back to Lord D’Abernon and the overlap between burgeoning Muslim triumphalism and the Orwellian wokeness of Britain’s metastasizing censorship apparatus. Increasing Islamification always begets increasing anti-Semitism. In Britain authorities have tended to turn a blind eye to bad behavior by Muslims while vigorously prosecuting criticism of Islam. The result is seething popular discontent, evidenced, for example, by the sudden appearance of thousands of St. George’s and Union Jack flags across the country. The flags were prominent among the estimated seventy thousand people who attended a march against anti-Semitism last month, one of many events that prompted some observers to wonder whether a corner had been turned in the Islamic-Orwellian subversion of Britain. It would be pleasant to think so. The question is whether the officially countenanced assault on British identity has passed the point of no return. We will know the answer very soon.

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