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Re: History - Ripping Yarns
Reply #15 - Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:01pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:12am:

Frank wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 1:54pm:

The namesakes
Some of history’s other Charles IIIs:

And then there was the almost-Charles III of Britain in the mid-18th century - Charles Edward Stuart or Bonnie Prince Charlie.

The memory of his legacy in Scotland was the reason royal commentators through the Queen's reign thought Charles would never use his own name as his regnal one, apparently preferring George VII.

Oh how quaint. I had no idea other forum members were capable of highlighting the more embarrassing members of the German and French I mean English royal family. And yet ... here we are Roll Eyes

And Scottish. Are you aware of the Scottish House of Stuart's 18th-century claim to the Scottish and English crowns?

I clearly started at 1066.

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Re: History - Ripping Yarns
Reply #16 - Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:02pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:01pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:12am:

Frank wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 1:54pm:

The namesakes
Some of history’s other Charles IIIs:

And then there was the almost-Charles III of Britain in the mid-18th century - Charles Edward Stuart or Bonnie Prince Charlie.

The memory of his legacy in Scotland was the reason royal commentators through the Queen's reign thought Charles would never use his own name as his regnal one, apparently preferring George VII.

Oh how quaint. I had no idea other forum members were capable of highlighting the more embarrassing members of the German and French I mean English royal family. And yet ... here we are Roll Eyes

And Scottish. Are you aware of the Scottish House of Stuart's 18th-century claim to the Scottish and English crowns?

I clearly started at 1066.

You might need to fast-forward to 1603.

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Re: History - Ripping Yarns
Reply #17 - Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:06pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:02pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:01pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:12am:

Frank wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 1:54pm:

The namesakes
Some of history’s other Charles IIIs:

And then there was the almost-Charles III of Britain in the mid-18th century - Charles Edward Stuart or Bonnie Prince Charlie.

The memory of his legacy in Scotland was the reason royal commentators through the Queen's reign thought Charles would never use his own name as his regnal one, apparently preferring George VII.

Oh how quaint. I had no idea other forum members were capable of highlighting the more embarrassing members of the German and French I mean English royal family. And yet ... here we are Roll Eyes

And Scottish. Are you aware of the Scottish House of Stuart's 18th-century claim to the Scottish and English crowns?

I clearly started at 1066.

You might need to fast-forward to 1603.

Ok ....thank God for Wiki lol.

1066 was a very busy year indeed.

January – Harold Godwinson marries Ealdgyth, daughter of Ælfgar (earl of Mercia), and widow of King Gruffydd ap Llywelyn.

January 5 – Edward the Confessor dies after a 24-year reign at London. The Witenagemot (or Witan) proclaims Harold Godwinson king of England.

January 6 – Harold Godwinson (Harold II) is crowned king of England, probably in the new Westminster Abbey, where Edward the Confessor's funeral took place not long before the coronation.

September 18 – Harald Hardrada of Norway lands on the beaches of Scarborough and begins his invasion of England.

September 20 – Battle of Fulford: Norwegian forces under Harald Hardrada defeat the English earls Edwin and Morcar.

September 25 – Battle of Stamford Bridge: Harold II defeats the forces of Harald Hardrada and his own brother Tostig Godwinson.

September 27 – William, Duke of Normandy and his army set sail from the mouth of the River Somme, beginning the Norman conquest of England. The following day he lands on the English coast at Pevensey, splits his forces, and sails with the main army to Hastings.

October 6 – Harold II marches south from Stamford Bridge (near York) to counter the threat of the invasion by William. Reaching London within five days, he leaves a short time later. After a two-day march he and his army reach Caldbec Hill.

October 14 – Battle of Hastings: William and Harold II meet in battle at Hastings. Although Harold has the superior position on the battlefield, he is defeated and killed by William.

October 15 – Edgar Ætheling is proclaimed king of England (but is never crowned). He is soon forced to submit to the rule of William the Conqueror.

December – William the Conqueror moves along the south coast to Dover, and builds fortifications in the existing castle at the top of the cliffs. He moves to Canterbury and finally enters London. Archbishop Stigand and other English leaders submit to William's rule.

On December 25, he is crowned as king William I of England in Westminster Abbey over Edward the Confessor's grave.

👆 What an incredible Christmas present hey!

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Reply #18 - Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:14pm

From my previous post :

September 27 1066 - William, Duke of Normandy and his army set sail from the mouth of the River Somme, beginning the Norman conquest of England.

Now let's take a closer look at this Duke of Normandy who later became King William 1 of England.

The Norman dynasty had a major political, cultural and military impact on medieval Europe and the Near East.

The Normans were historically famed for their martial spirit and eventually for their Catholic piety, becoming exponents of the Catholic orthodoxy of the Romance community.

The original Norse settlers adopted the Gallo-Romance language of the Frankish land they settled, with their Old Norman dialect becoming known as Norman, Normaund or Norman French, an important literary language which is still spoken today in parts of mainland Normandy (Cotentinais and Cauchois dialects) and the nearby Channel Islands (Jèrriais and Guernésiais).

The Duchy of Normandy, which arose from the Treaty of Saint-Clair-sur-Epte, was a great fief of medieval France. The Norman dukes exercised independent control of their holdings in Normandy, while at the same time being vassals owing fealty to the King of France, and under Richard I of Normandy (byname "Richard sans Peur" meaning "Richard the Fearless") the Duchy was forged into a cohesive and formidable principality in feudal tenure.

By the end of his reign in 996, the descendants of the Norse settlers "had become not only Christians but in all essentials Frenchmen. They had adopted the French language, French legal ideas, and French social customs, and had practically merged with the Frankish or Gallic population among whom they lived".

Between 1066 and 1204, as a result of the Norman conquest of England, most of the kings of England were also dukes of Normandy.

In 1204, Philip II of France seized mainland Normandy by force of arms, having earlier declared the Duchy of Normandy to be forfeit to him. It remained disputed territory until the Treaty of Paris of 1259, when the English sovereign ceded his claim to the Duchy, except for the Channel Islands.

In the present day, the Channel Islands (the Bailiwick of Guernsey and the Bailiwick of Jersey) are considered to be officially the last remnants of the Duchy of Normandy, and are not part of the United Kingdom but are instead self-governing Crown Dependencies.

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Re: History - Ripping Yarns
Reply #19 - Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:15pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:02pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:01pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:57am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:12am:

Frank wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 1:54pm:

The namesakes
Some of history’s other Charles IIIs:

And then there was the almost-Charles III of Britain in the mid-18th century - Charles Edward Stuart or Bonnie Prince Charlie.

The memory of his legacy in Scotland was the reason royal commentators through the Queen's reign thought Charles would never use his own name as his regnal one, apparently preferring George VII.

Oh how quaint. I had no idea other forum members were capable of highlighting the more embarrassing members of the German and French I mean English royal family. And yet ... here we are Roll Eyes

And Scottish. Are you aware of the Scottish House of Stuart's 18th-century claim to the Scottish and English crowns?

I clearly started at 1066.

You might need to fast-forward to 1603.

Ok ....thank God for Wiki lol.

1066 was a very busy year indeed.

👆 What an incredible Christmas present hey!

Yep, but Bonnie Prince Charlie (the would-be Charles III) was directly related to the Stuart James I & VI, Charles I, and James II & VII and had the most credible claim by descent to the crowns of Scotland and England.

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Re: History - Ripping Yarns
Reply #20 - Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:32pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:12am:

Are you aware of the Scottish House of Stuart's 18th-century claim to the Scottish and English crowns?

You might need to fast-forward to 1603.

Bonnie Prince Charlie (the would-be Charles III) was directly related to the Stuart James I & VI, Charles I, and James II & VII and had the most credible claim by descent to the crowns of Scotland and England.

I'm slowly getting there. Right now I'm here thinking : FMD what an embarrassing genealogy this is Roll Eyes

We all know floppy eared lecherous Charles III.

Let's refresh our memory of Charles II. Again...thanks to Wiki.

Charles II was the eldest surviving child of Charles I of England, Scotland and Ireland and Henrietta Maria of France. After Charles I's execution at Whitehall on 30 January 1649, at the climax of the English Civil War, the Parliament of Scotland proclaimed Charles II king on 5 February 1649.

But England entered the period known as the English Interregnum or the English Commonwealth, and the country was a de facto republic led by Oliver Cromwell.

Cromwell defeated Charles II at the Battle of Worcester on 3 September 1651, and Charles fled to mainland Europe. Cromwell became virtual dictator of England, Scotland and Ireland. Charles spent the next nine years in exile in France, the Dutch Republic and the Spanish Netherlands. The political crisis that followed Cromwell's death in 1658 resulted in the restoration of the monarchy, and Charles was invited to return to Britain. On 29 May 1660, his 30th birthday, he was received in London to public acclaim. After 1660, all legal documents stating a regnal year did so as if he had succeeded his father as king in 1649.

Charles's English parliament enacted laws known as the Clarendon Code, designed to shore up the position of the re-established Church of England. Charles acquiesced to the Clarendon Code even though he favoured a policy of religious tolerance. The major foreign policy issue of his early reign was the Second Anglo-Dutch War.

In 1670, he entered into the Treaty of Dover, an alliance with his cousin King Louis XIV of France. Louis agreed to aid him in the Third Anglo-Dutch War and pay him a pension, and Charles secretly promised to convert to Catholicism at an unspecified future date. Charles attempted to introduce religious freedom for Catholics and Protestant dissenters with his 1672 Royal Declaration of Indulgence, but the English Parliament forced him to withdraw it. In 1679, Titus Oates's revelations of a supposed Popish Plot sparked the Exclusion Crisis when it was revealed that Charles's brother and heir presumptive, James, Duke of York, had become a Catholic.

The crisis saw the birth of the pro-exclusion Whig and anti-exclusion Tory parties. Charles sided with the Tories, and after the discovery of the Rye House Plot to murder Charles and James in 1683, some Whig leaders were executed or forced into exile. Charles dissolved the English Parliament in 1681 and ruled alone until his death in 1685.

Traditionally considered one of the most popular English kings, Charles is known as the Merry Monarch, a reference to the liveliness and hedonism of his court. He acknowledged at least 12 illegitimate children by various mistresses, but left no legitimate children and was succeeded by his brother, James.

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Reply #21 - Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:38pm

After that dhead Charles 11 died leaving illegitimate children everywhere ...his brother James ascended the throne.

Let's take a closer look at James:

James VII and II (14 October 1633 O.S. – 16 September 1701)[a] was King of England and Ireland as James II, and King of Scotland as James VII from the death of his elder brother, Charles II, on 6 February 1685.

3 years later....

He was deposed in the Glorious Revolution of 1688. He was the last Catholic monarch of England, Scotland, and Ireland. His reign is now remembered primarily for conflicts over religious tolerance, but it also involved struggles over the principles of absolutism and the divine right of kings.

His deposition ended a century of political and civil strife in England by confirming the primacy of the English Parliament over the Crown.

Marvellous 😂🤣😆

Oh God ... there's more 🤭

James died aged 67 of a brain haemorrhage on 16 September 1701 at Saint-Germain-en-Laye. James's heart was placed in a silver-gilt locket and given to the convent at Chaillot, and his brain was placed in a lead casket and given to the Scots College in Paris. His entrails were placed in two gilt urns and sent to the parish church of Saint-Germain-en-Laye and the English Jesuit college at Saint-Omer, while the flesh from his right arm was given to the English Augustinian nuns of Paris.

The rest of James's body was laid to rest in a triple sarcophagus (consisting of two wooden coffins and one of lead) at the St Edmund's Chapel in the Church of the English Benedictines in the Rue Saint-Jacques, Paris, with a funeral oration by Henri-Emmanuel de Roquette.

James was not buried, but put in one of the side chapels. Lights were kept burning round his coffin until the French Revolution.

In 1734, the Archbishop of Paris heard evidence to support James's canonisation, but nothing came of it.

During the French Revolution, James's tomb was raided.

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Reply #22 - Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:40pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:12am:

Are you aware of the Scottish House of Stuart's 18th-century claim to the Scottish and English crowns?

You might need to fast-forward to 1603.

Bonnie Prince Charlie (the would-be Charles III) was directly related to the Stuart James I & VI, Charles I, and James II & VII and had the most credible claim by descent to the crowns of Scotland and England.

I'm slowly getting there. Right now I'm here thinking : FMD what an embarrassing genealogy this is Roll Eyes

We all know floppy eared lecherous Charles III.

Let's refresh our memory of Charles II.

Here's something else about Charles II that is important to a dynastic aristocratic family.

The reason Diana was preferred by the royal family, was her direct descent from Charles II (and, by that, Charles I, James I & VI and Mary, Queen of Scots) - which even the Queen couldn't claim.

She is descended from 2 of Charles II's illegitimate children, making her son, William, the most Stuart-descent heir to the throne since Queen Anne.

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Reply #23 - Oct 1^st, 2022 at 1:00pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:40pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:12am:

Are you aware of the Scottish House of Stuart's 18th-century claim to the Scottish and English crowns?

You might need to fast-forward to 1603.

Bonnie Prince Charlie (the would-be Charles III) was directly related to the Stuart James I & VI, Charles I, and James II & VII and had the most credible claim by descent to the crowns of Scotland and England.

I'm slowly getting there. Right now I'm here thinking : FMD what an embarrassing genealogy this is Roll Eyes

We all know floppy eared lecherous Charles III.

Let's refresh our memory of Charles II.

Here's something else about Charles II that is important to a dynastic aristocratic family.

The reason Diana was preferred by the royal family, was her direct descent from Charles II (and, by that, Charles I, James I & VI and Mary, Queen of Scots) - which even the Queen couldn't claim.

She is descended from 2 of Charles II's illegitimate children, making her son, William, the most Stuart-descent heir to the throne since Queen Anne.

Wait a second....I've almost caught up (I'm cooking and washing here too ya know lol)

For the benefit of those who've just tuned in:

Charles 2 has died. He has lots of bastards but no legitimate heir. His younger brother James becomes king. He dies and his daughter Anne becomes Queen.

Anne was born in the reign of Charles II to his younger brother and heir presumptive, James, whose suspected Roman Catholicism was unpopular in England. On Charles's instructions, Anne and her elder sister Mary were raised as Anglicans.

Mary married their Dutch Protestant cousin, William III of Orange, in 1677.

Anne married Prince George of Denmark in 1683. On Charles's death in 1685, James succeeded to the throne, but just three years later he was deposed in the Glorious Revolution of 1688.

Mary and William became joint monarchs. Although the sisters had been close, disagreements over Anne's finances, status, and choice of acquaintances arose shortly after Mary's accession and they became estranged.

William and Mary had no children. After Mary's death in 1694, William reigned alone until his own death in 1702, when Anne succeeded him.

(Ok so now Anne is Queen)

During her reign, Anne favoured moderate Tory politicians, who were more likely to share her Anglican religious views than their opponents, the Whigs. The Whigs grew more powerful during the course of the War of the Spanish Succession, until 1710 when Anne dismissed many of them from office. Her close friendship with Sarah Churchill, Duchess of Marlboroughturned sour as the result of political differences. The Duchess took revenge with an unflattering description of the Queen in her memoirs, which was widely accepted by historians until Anne was reassessed in the late 20th century.

Anne was plagued by poor health throughout her life, and from her thirties she grew increasingly ill and obese. Despite 17 pregnancies, she died without surviving issue and was the last monarch of the House of Stuart.

Under the Act of Settlement 1701, which excluded all Catholics, she was succeeded by her second cousin George I of the House of Hanover.

Sarah Churchill's great grandson is of course Winston Churchill.

The names Anne, William, Charles, George....all reflect and honour the foreign heritage of the current "British" royal family!

Hanover ie ....GERMANS!! George 1 - German!

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Reply #26 - Oct 1^st, 2022 at 1:11pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:40pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 12:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:12am:

Are you aware of the Scottish House of Stuart's 18th-century claim to the Scottish and English crowns?

You might need to fast-forward to 1603.

Bonnie Prince Charlie (the would-be Charles III) was directly related to the Stuart James I & VI, Charles I, and James II & VII and had the most credible claim by descent to the crowns of Scotland and England.

I'm slowly getting there. Right now I'm here thinking : FMD what an embarrassing genealogy this is Roll Eyes

We all know floppy eared lecherous Charles III.

Let's refresh our memory of Charles II.

Here's something else about Charles II that is important to a dynastic aristocratic family.

The reason Diana was preferred by the royal family, was her direct descent from Charles II (and, by that, Charles I, James I & VI and Mary, Queen of Scots) - which even the Queen couldn't claim.

She is descended from 2 of Charles II's illegitimate children, making her son, William, the most Stuart-descent heir to the throne since Queen Anne.

1. I thought illegitimate children did not count.

2. The name Churchill comes up everywhere and covers hundreds of years.

3. The (so called) British Royal family isn't really British at all. They're really German and French!

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Reply #27 - Oct 1^st, 2022 at 1:15pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 1:11pm:

1. I thought illegitimate children did not count.

2. The name Churchill comes up everywhere and covers hundreds of years.

3. The (so called) British Royal family isn't really British at all. They're really German and French!

Illegitimacy becomes respectable after a few hundred years, particularly when the monarch acknowledges them as his.

The current British Royal family is English, Scottish, German and a little bit Hungarian - Charles is related to Vlad the Impaler through his father and mother.

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Reply #28 - Oct 1^st, 2022 at 1:15pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 1:05pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 1:00pm:

Under the Act of Settlement 1701, which excluded all Catholics, she was succeeded by her second cousin George I of the House of Hanover.

And that's when the fighting started again with the Stuarts.

Yep. Apart from having a good time and illegitimate children this royal family loves a good fight. They fight a lot in their own country and btwn countries.

In fact the same family had a big poo fight which brought on World War 1! Cousins were fighting each other! What were their names again?

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Reply #29 - Oct 1^st, 2022 at 1:17pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 1:15pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 1:11pm:

1. I thought illegitimate children did not count.

2. The name Churchill comes up everywhere and covers hundreds of years.

3. The (so called) British Royal family isn't really British at all. They're really German and French!

Illegitimacy becomes respectable after a few hundred years, particularly when the monarch acknowledges them as his.

The current British Royal family is English, Scottish, German and a little bit Hungarian - Charles is related to Vlad the Impaler through his father and mother.

Vlad the Impaler?? Oh come on! That's gotta be a cruel joke.

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