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Re: Bali bomber release after only 10 years.
Reply #15 - Aug 20^th, 2022 at 12:22pm

A member of the notorious Islamic State kidnap-and-murder cell known as the “Beatles” was sentenced to life in prison by a US court on Friday for the deaths of four American hostages in Syria.

El Shafee Elsheikh, 34, was given eight concurrent life sentences with no possibility of parole after being convicted in April of hostage-taking, conspiracy to murder US citizens and supporting a terrorist organisation.

Judge T.S. Ellis, handing down the sentence in a US District Court in Alexandria, Virginia, said Elsheikh’s conduct “can only be described as horrific, barbaric, brutal, callous and, of course, criminal.”

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Re: Bali bomber release after only 10 years.
Reply #16 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 12:45pm

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 8:11am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 3:58pm:

2. the article reports that his sentence was commuted at least in part because of his cooperation with authorities

This is what it actually says:

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Patek was granted an early release as part of Indonesia’s Independence Day celebrations.

Hooray.

read it again FD:

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7NEWS Reporter Liam Tapper told Sunrise there were a few factors behind the decision, including that he has reportedly been behaving well behind bars.

“He has also co-operated with police in their investigations,” he said.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 120882 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Bali bomber release after only 10 years. Reply #17 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 1:38pm Hi polite_gandalf, would you have preferred to see him hanged in public? Wouldn't it be a good deterrent to others and show that justice was done?
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Re: Bali bomber release after only 10 years.
Reply #18 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 1:40pm

Gordon wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 9:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 8:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 7:44pm:

"Shazza, shall we boycott Bali to show our utter disgust at this appalling decision?"

"Nah. I wanna get my hair braided. Book another Garuda flight Dazza, and a hotel with a spa in the good part of Kuta".

I'd never go to that dump.

Do you surf?

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Lots of places have an ocean.

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Re: Bali bomber release after only 10 years.
Reply #19 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 1:46pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 7:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 7:15pm:

Australian bogans will show their outrage by no longer visiting Bali twice a year to drink their crap beer, have their hair braided, and buy Bintang singlets and cheap souvenirs.

Lol Grin

Just kidding.

It's no laughing matter.

No its not but the statement is correct.

Australians should have chosen to punish them for the bombing to some extent in order to reduce the risk.

However in this case the actions serve to confirm that Indonesia were at least passively in support of the radical religious fanatics who did it.

They execute an Australian for having a small quantity of a drug but killing 200 people gets a local bomb making known terrorist a slap on the wrist.

Why would anyone go to a country where the law is obviously corrupt and stacked against visitors from the west.

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Re: Bali bomber release after only 10 years.
Reply #20 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 2:18pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 1:38pm:

Hi polite_gandalf,
would you have preferred to see him hanged in public?
Wouldn't it be a good deterrent to others and
show that justice was done?

Hi Bobby. No.

In case you didn't notice, these guys love death. Public execution would be especially appealing - draws attention to their "cause", while they get to die as martyrs.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Bali bomber release after only 10 years.
Reply #21 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 2:20pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 2:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 1:38pm:

Hi polite_gandalf,
would you have preferred to see him hanged in public?
Wouldn't it be a good deterrent to others and
show that justice was done?

Hi Bobby. No.

In case you didn't notice, these guys love death. Public execution would be especially appealing - draws attention to their "cause", while they get to die as martyrs.

But he killed 202 people.
He got only 18 days in jail for each person he killed.
Why be so lenient?

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Re: Bali bomber release after only 10 years.
Reply #22 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 2:30pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 1:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 7:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 7:15pm:

Australian bogans will show their outrage by no longer visiting Bali twice a year to drink their crap beer, have their hair braided, and buy Bintang singlets and cheap souvenirs.

Lol Grin

Just kidding.

It's no laughing matter.

No its not but the statement is correct.

Australians should have chosen to punish them for the bombing to some extent in order to reduce the risk.

However in this case the actions serve to confirm that Indonesia were at least passively in support of the radical religious fanatics who did it.

They execute an Australian for having a small quantity of a drug but killing 200 people gets a local bomb making known terrorist a slap on the wrist.

Why would anyone go to a country where the law is obviously corrupt and stacked against visitors from the west.

Lets just keep some perspective and not get carried away. The three actual bombers were executed. Also the Australians executed did not merely have a "small quantity of drug" - they were head of a drug trafficking ring that involved 9 people, carrying heroin valued at around $4 million. Not saying I agree with the executions, but it certainly wasn't a trivial matter.

Also I'm pretty sure more Indonesians have been executed than westerners by Indonesia.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Bali bomber release after only 10 years.
Reply #23 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 2:39pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 2:30pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 1:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 7:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2022 at 7:15pm:

Australian bogans will show their outrage by no longer visiting Bali twice a year to drink their crap beer, have their hair braided, and buy Bintang singlets and cheap souvenirs.

Lol Grin

Just kidding.

It's no laughing matter.

No its not but the statement is correct.

Australians should have chosen to punish them for the bombing to some extent in order to reduce the risk.

However in this case the actions serve to confirm that Indonesia were at least passively in support of the radical religious fanatics who did it.

They execute an Australian for having a small quantity of a drug but killing 200 people gets a local bomb making known terrorist a slap on the wrist.

Why would anyone go to a country where the law is obviously corrupt and stacked against visitors from the west.

Lets just keep some perspective and not get carried away. The three actual bombers were executed. Also the Australians executed did not merely have a "small quantity of drug" - they were head of a drug trafficking ring that involved 9 people, carrying heroin valued at around $4 million. Not saying I agree with the executions, but it certainly wasn't a trivial matter.

Also I'm pretty sure more Indonesians have been executed than westerners by Indonesia.

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they were head of a drug trafficking ring

No they were carrying the drugs, the head of the ring were all safe at home.

The were improperly dobbed in by the AFP when they could have been easily picked up as they re entered Australia. The AFP incompetence (or worse) has been covered up ever since.

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The three actual bombers were executed.

Without the bomb maker there were no bombs.

Now he is back on the market. Likely he has an add listed on terrorist weekly.

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Re: Bali bomber release after only 10 years.
Reply #24 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 2:57pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 2:39pm:

No they were carrying the drugs, the head of the ring were all safe at home.

Sukamaran and Chan organized and ran the smuggling run with their 7 co-smugglers. Regardless of who supplied them with the drugs, they lead the actual ring- hence ringleaders. They were also the only 2 who were executed.

Its not like they wouldn't have known that Indonesia has the death penalty for drug smuggling before they chose to make the run.

I don't know the details of the bomb maker's trial and sentencing - for some reason the prosecution did not pursue the death sentence. And when people are sentenced to gaol time, there's always the possibility of getting the sentence commuted - as was also the case for Rennae Lawrence and Shappelle Corby. And yes, its a crappy situation for the victim's families that he gets let out, but it hardly points to a grand conspiracy that unfairly targets westerners for execution and is lenient towards Indonesian terrorists.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Bali bomber release after only 10 years.
Reply #25 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 4:04pm

Frank wrote on Aug 20^th, 2022 at 12:22pm:

A member of the notorious Islamic State kidnap-and-murder cell known as the “Beatles” was sentenced to life in prison by a US court on Friday for the deaths of four American hostages in Syria.

El Shafee Elsheikh, 34, was given eight concurrent life sentences

with no possibility of parole

after being convicted in April of hostage-taking, conspiracy to murder US citizens and supporting a terrorist organisation.

Judge T.S. Ellis, handing down the sentence in a US District Court in Alexandria, Virginia, said Elsheikh’s conduct “can only be described as horrific, barbaric, brutal, callous and, of course, criminal.”

Not sure about the "no possibility of parole" bit, I can see that some of the media is reporting it that way, but I haven't found where the Judge said it

"Concurrent" means very little, one day spent in jail for the worst charge, is one day off each of the other seven charges simultaneously

This makes it much easier for him to get parole after a period of time if in fact a non-parole period was not set

We need to listen to, or read the full sentence given by the Judge ... I'm having difficulty finding it

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Bali bomber release after only 10 years. Reply #26 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 4:08pm Of course, if he did get parole, he would be deported straight back to the UK ... I'm sure they'd love to take him back
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 120882 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Bali bomber release after only 10 years. Reply #27 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 4:15pm Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 4:08pm: Of course, if he did get parole, he would be deported straight back to the UK ... I'm sure they'd love to take him back He should have been hanged in public on prime time TV.
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Re: Bali bomber release after only 10 years.
Reply #28 - Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 5:48pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 2:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 2:39pm:

No they were carrying the drugs, the head of the ring were all safe at home.

Sukamaran and Chan organized and ran the smuggling run with their 7 co-smugglers. Regardless of who supplied them with the drugs, they lead the actual ring- hence ringleaders. They were also the only 2 who were executed.

Its not like they wouldn't have known that Indonesia has the death penalty for drug smuggling before they chose to make the run.

I don't know the details of the bomb maker's trial and sentencing - for some reason the prosecution did not pursue the death sentence. And when people are sentenced to gaol time, there's always the possibility of getting the sentence commuted - as was also the case for Rennae Lawrence and Shappelle Corby. And yes, its a crappy situation for the victim's families that he gets let out, but it hardly points to a grand conspiracy that unfairly targets westerners for execution and is lenient towards Indonesian terrorists.

They were only executed because the AFP did the wrong thing. They are not meant to expose Australians to execution and they clearly had the option of picking them up when they returned. The AFP IMO acted in contravention of their guidelines and were complicit through their negligence or incompetence in the death of Australians.

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