Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 18
th, 2022 at 9:46pm:
Seriously, though - we are talking about a major constitutional shift to cater to - may I use the word appease - a minority group who feel Entitled™ way over and above all others, just because they were here first before 1788.
Ok, I agree: people are barking up the wrong tree, if they think the Constitution - especially since being up-graded via the 1967 referendum - has anything to do with eradicating the (black) gap.
My objection here is to your attempt to ridicule the proposed voice, on the basis of there being no gap (false); and your associated belief that generational/systemic poverty cannot be eradicted, owing to "market forces".
As I am at pains to point out, the latter issue is becomng increasingly acute in the entire community, as secure middle class jobs disapppear in the face of AI, IT and global manufacturing, with blacks - the most disadvantaged demographic - being particularly badly affected.
Quote:We've all agreed that giving some absurd voice to one group will not alter or assist in resolving the real issues of that group... we all differ on how to resolve those ... but that is not the issue.
However, after the voice is rejected (if it is), the issue of the (black) gap will remain, and I would ask you to cease your absurd ideological claims the (black) gap doesn't exist.
Quote:The issue is whether or not a minority group should be handed inside running and be enshrined in the constitution, when all are supposed to be equal as Australians, and when that minority has countless other advisory and contributory and special needs groups ... many, many more than any other group ... and also has a higher percentage political representation than is their representation in the community.
Agreed, though it will be interesting to get the real figures on this. when the referendum is held. I'll let you argue the 'no' case; my task is to expose the rotten monetary orthodoxy in central banks, which is harmful to the most disadvantaged - whether black or non-black.
[Apparently 'The Australian' today is banging on about the $trillion debt meaning the Oz government can't today spend like even the Howard government did during the mining boom, because of the current debt, even though royalties from mining are currently still very healthy].
Quote:Put simply
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dealing with generational and specifically black poverty is not simple
Quote:they are either in the lifeboat or they choose to be outside it.... their choice.....
BS! they didn't "choose" to collide with the 'modern' world in 1788; stick to explaining why the voice isn't necessary if you must, but stop with the rest of your social BS - you know nothing about realities of life for for disadvantaged people including blacks.
Quote:. but the current situation cannot continue, and cannot - most specifically - be made worse by giving that group yet another way to avoid becoming a full and functioning part of Australian society, and by giving them instead, a new form of Apartheid.
Hey, HALF the Oz population are now facing NEVER owning their own home - a disaster in Oz where super and age pensions can't support most renters. So much for "full and functionong members" of Oz society.
Quote:The Answer is NO!
Fine, and when the referendum goes down (if it does), you will still be faced with closing the black gap.
Meanwhile there IS already some discussion on radio about what happens if the referendum does fail....
Quote:NONE of my part-Indigenous relatives puts a hand out for special treatment...... one has serious health issues and receives NDIS like anyone else.....
NDIS deals with special cases of disadvantage (owing to disability), whereas the gap is related to cultural and generational disadvantege, understanding of which is not your strong point.....