Abo's have the same voice and rights as the rest of us and receive more welfare than most, also free land that the rest of us pay for and stop us from entering their "sacred" places that amazingly aren't sacred when the big dollars are offered.
I agree with Jacinta Price who says they should be grateful that the British colonised Australia, if not another country certainly would have and they would probably not exist today.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 9:46pm:



Ok, I agree: people are barking up the wrong tree, if they think the Constitution  - especially since being up-graded via the 1967 referendum - has anything to do with eradicating the (black) gap.

My objection here is to your attempt to ridicule the proposed voice, on the basis of there being no gap (false); and your associated belief that generational/systemic poverty cannot be eradicted, owing to "market forces".   

As I am at pains to point out, the latter issue is becomng increasingly acute in the entire community, as secure middle class jobs disapppear in the face of AI, IT and global manufacturing, with blacks - the most disadvantaged demographic -  being particularly badly affected. 

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However, after the voice is rejected (if it is), the issue of the (black) gap will remain, and I would ask you to cease your absurd ideological claims the (black) gap doesn't exist.

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Agreed, though it will be interesting to get the real figures on this. when the referendum is held.  I'll let you argue the 'no' case; my task is to expose the rotten monetary orthodoxy in central banks, which is harmful to the most disadvantaged - whether black or non-black.

[Apparently 'The Australian' today is banging on about the $trillion debt meaning the Oz government can't today spend like even the Howard government did during the mining boom, because of the current debt, even though royalties  from mining are currently still very healthy]. 

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dealing with generational and specifically black poverty is not simple

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BS! they didn't "choose" to collide with the 'modern' world in 1788; stick to explaining why the voice isn't necessary if you must, but stop with the rest of your social BS - you know nothing about realities of life for   for disadvantaged people including blacks.

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Hey, HALF the Oz population are now facing NEVER owning their own home - a disaster in Oz where super and age pensions can't support most renters. So much for "full and functionong members" of Oz society.

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Fine, and when the referendum goes down (if it does), you will still be faced with closing the black gap.

Meanwhile there IS already some discussion on radio about what happens if the referendum does fail....

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NDIS deals with special cases of disadvantage (owing to disability),  whereas the gap is related to cultural and generational disadvantege, understanding of which is not your strong point.....

Ron wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 10:45pm:



No they don't, their 'voice' is clouded by 60 thousand years of hunter-gatherer culture

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...like the "freedom" to live in poverty?....what about the right to above-poverty participation in the economy (UNUDHR article 23).

Your RW conservative neoliberal  ideology is showing.


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you mean like those currently being forced to live in their cars or in caravan parks? See how limited your views on "rights' are....


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Welfare aka sitdown money, with its assocuated poverty life style,  is part of the problem.

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Yes well, as mentioned above your RW conservative "rights" ideology is flawed, hence the GIGO from your brain. 

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People whether black or non-black are  not given to being grateful for experiencing systemic poverty.

The voice of the homeless and welfare dependent, black and non-black, will be heard in Oz.

Like Grapps, you better stick to promoting the no case  on constututional grounds, you have nothing to offer re solving homelessness, housing affordibility, and long term unemployment.

"homelessness, housing affordibility, and long term unemployment. "

None of these has one thing to do with the idea of any 'voice', and they are by no means Abo-exclusive.

An Abo would have no trouble buying a house in Broken Hill for $7k.

Abos don't get all that much extra welfare because their extra lovely goes into all those parasitic make-work programs they have to help them along.... billions and billions of dollars of it wasted on QANGOs just to make it look as if governments are doing something.

It's a farce when such ideas as government paid make-work is condemned and yet that is where the cash goes largely for Abos, as opposed to actually lifting them out of their VB lined gutters... make-work jobs for Abos.... a few clerical positions etc instead of actual workers to do things on their behalf 'out there'.

Feel good bullshit again.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Sep 19^th, 2022 at 11:01am:


You are a dead set wanker.... they have a voice through the Aboriginal MPs & Senators in our Parliament.

Anything else is just bs tokenism based on race.

Seeings you're always saying "there's no such thing as" .....

there's no such thing as "white privilege" it is a guilt ridden lefty wank.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 19^th, 2022 at 6:00pm:


like I said; stick to rejecting the voice on constitutional grounds, your knowledge of sociology, economics and psychology is dismal; hence your blind  'personal responsibilty' and  ugly 'market forces' survival of the fittest ideology.

The connection, dimwit, is the relation of economic systems to disadvantage, and in particular the disgraceful black gap which is a stain on Oz's reputation. "It's the economy, stupid": applies to  the black gap., as well as to non-black poverty. 

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make work programs aren't parasitic, whereas denial of work is systemic violence. 

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Back to your bean-counter mode; governments are spending a fortune on violent  imprisonment instead of work programs.

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A confused narrative there; "government paid make work" (as employer of last resort)  is not condemned except by people like you; and indeed funding to  provide employment programs for the long-term unemployed IS the government's responsibility.

otherwise you will have  out of control youth crime in Mt Isa and elsewhere (as reported recently), the result of dysfunctional families and homelessness and long-term unemployment. .

"you will have out of control youth crime in Mt Isa and elsewhere"

Fixed for ya .....

AusGeoff wrote on Sep 20^th, 2022 at 4:15am:


Fabulous take home message, Geoff. Well done.

You'll be met by rounds of applause.