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Reply #60 - Sep 1^st, 2022 at 3:48pm

lee wrote on Sep 1^st, 2022 at 11:45am:

John_Taverner wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 9:54pm:

OK. I'm not sure what other States do, but in Queensland we're very lucky as far as HAZMAT is concerned.

A question How close to a lithium fire do you need to be to uses an F-500 EA? Considering they burn hot enough to melt steel, I wouldn't have thought that close.

Edit: I see they have a 1 litre container to fit on a fire hose. On a firefighters forum they say it is expensive but better than Class B foam.

Normal turnout should give you enough protection. This guy isn't even wearing BA.

I don't know where you are, but in 2019, I was in Southern NSW assisting with the aftermath of the bushfires. I saw one car in which the steel was molten. It's amazing how hot these gully fires can get in high wind. I think you know how fast they can propagate uphill.

Across the border, some bushfires were so hot that some sections will take years to recover.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19818 Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #61 - Sep 1^st, 2022 at 4:14pm John_Taverner wrote on Sep 1^st, 2022 at 3:48pm: This guy isn't even wearing BA. It probably is a portable battery from a phone or similar.
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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2215 Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #62 - Sep 1^st, 2022 at 7:45pm lee wrote on Sep 1^st, 2022 at 4:14pm: John_Taverner wrote on Sep 1^st, 2022 at 3:48pm: This guy isn't even wearing BA. It probably is a portable battery from a phone or similar. The real test is extinguishing mag wheel fires. Have you ever seen one on fire? They turn night into day.
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Reply #63 - Sep 1^st, 2022 at 7:58pm

lee wrote on Sep 1^st, 2022 at 11:45am:

On a firefighters forum they say it is expensive but better than Class B foam.

It is better than a Class B foam. Most firefighters don't realise that you can use just about any rehealing foam on flammable liquids. Solberg don't make this publically known, but I had a long talk with their research guy a few years ago and he let it slip. I take it that you have stocks of RF-6 or something like that.

If they were American Firefighters, some of these guys are still using AFFF. They're a bit slow to adapt.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19818 Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #64 - Sep 1^st, 2022 at 8:55pm We are still waiting on replacement B class. It will be fluorine free.
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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2215 Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #65 - Sep 2^nd, 2022 at 7:19am lee wrote on Sep 1^st, 2022 at 8:55pm: We are still waiting on replacement B class. It will be fluorine free. Well if you still have AFFF, don’t spill it. It’s a bioaccumulant, with links to cancer.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19818 Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #66 - Sep 2^nd, 2022 at 11:15am Yeah. That's why the furore at Pearce RAAF Base.
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #67 - Sep 7^th, 2022 at 5:36pm Check out these figures. They are sobering.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 116322 Melbourne Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #68 - Sep 17^th, 2022 at 2:36pm He was trapped inside his EV when the battery caught fire - he had to break the window to escape with his life: https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/115/993/829/playable/3ea4b0...
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 116322 Melbourne Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #69 - Sep 17^th, 2022 at 5:52pm How to make a Tesla Battery Explode (Torture Test) 3,602,969 views Feb 26, 2020
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Reply #70 - Sep 18^th, 2022 at 6:23pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 17^th, 2022 at 2:36pm:

He was trapped inside his EV when the battery caught fire -
he had to break the window to escape with his life:

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/115/993/829/playable/3ea4b0...

Those EV batteries a bit dangerous.
You’d think if the battery caught fire there would be an alternative circuit
for another battery to open the doors or a mechanical door opener?
I don’t know how those Teslas get an Australian design rules certificate?

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Reply #71 - Sep 18^th, 2022 at 8:23pm

There are new EV batteries coming out soon. Aluminium/ Sulfur batteries.

They have a similar energy density to Lithium batteries, but can be charged in less than a minute. They are also safer and cheaper.

Considering that EVs are already hundreds of time safer than petrol engines, these should be even safer.

https://newatlas.com/energy/aluminum-sulfur-salt-battery-fast-safe-low-cost/

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Reply #72 - Sep 18^th, 2022 at 8:41pm

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 8:23pm:

There are new EV batteries coming out soon. Aluminium/ Sulfur batteries.

They have a similar energy density to Lithium batteries, but can be charged in less than a minute. They are also safer and cheaper.

Considering that EVs are already hundreds of time safer than petrol engines, these should be even safer.

https://newatlas.com/energy/aluminum-sulfur-salt-battery-fast-safe-low-cost/

Thanks - very interesting.

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Reply #73 - Sep 18^th, 2022 at 9:08pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 8:41pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 8:23pm:

There are new EV batteries coming out soon. Aluminium/ Sulfur batteries.

They have a similar energy density to Lithium batteries, but can be charged in less than a minute. They are also safer and cheaper.

Considering that EVs are already hundreds of time safer than petrol engines, these should be even safer.

https://newatlas.com/energy/aluminum-sulfur-salt-battery-fast-safe-low-cost/

Thanks - very interesting.

Might be a good time to sell your Lithium stocks.

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Reply #74 - Sep 18^th, 2022 at 9:13pm

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 9:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 8:41pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Sep 18^th, 2022 at 8:23pm:

There are new EV batteries coming out soon. Aluminium/ Sulfur batteries.

They have a similar energy density to Lithium batteries, but can be charged in less than a minute. They are also safer and cheaper.

Considering that EVs are already hundreds of time safer than petrol engines, these should be even safer.

https://newatlas.com/energy/aluminum-sulfur-salt-battery-fast-safe-low-cost/

Thanks - very interesting.

Might be a good time to sell your Lithium stocks.

Might be a good idea if Teslas had good old fashioned mechanical
levers to open the doors.

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