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Re: EV batteries are dangerous.
Reply #90 - Apr 17^th, 2023 at 8:57pm

Valkie wrote on Apr 17^th, 2023 at 7:18pm:

Where I work, we were developing an EV troop carrier.
I did some investigation as part of the risk assessment involved in manufacturing these things.
Turns out that even a discharged battery bank carries enough charge to kill a man with ease.
Fully charged, he is dead meat.

The procdures involved in;
Manufacturing the battery banks
Installing the battery bank's
Removing the battery banks
Reparing the unit after damage.
Even simple servicing, require so many safety protocols that it's like playing with dynamite.

The elephant in the room is who will repair, service or even install additional equipment in these time bombs?
I forsee many apprentices being killed before they grubberment gets its act together.

I still can't see any positives in these toys.

Yet in many places they will be forced on to the public - go figure?

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Reply #91 - Jun 4^th, 2023 at 10:49pm

Contrary to common disinformation about electric vehicles, data from
the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency (MSB) has shown that EVs
are 20 times less likely to catch fire than petrol and diesel cars.

The MSB says that during 2022 there were a total of 106 fires in
various electrified modes of transport in Sweden, but that 38 of these
were in electric scooters and 20 were electric bicycles.

Only 23 fires were reported in electric vehicles in 2022 making up just
0.004% of Sweden’s fleet of 611,000 EVs. [As of February this year,
there are 83,000 EVs on Australian roads.]

In contrast, over the same period, some 3,400 fires we reported in
2022 from Sweden’s 4.4 million petrol and diesel cars representing
0.08% of the fossil car fleet.

This means that in 2022 a petrol or diesel car in Sweden was around
20 times more likely to catch fire than an electric vehicle.

—Excerpted from 'The Driven', 16 May 2023.

   Petrol or diesel engines catching fire
   can be just as deadly as EV batteries:

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Online Dogs not cats! Posts: 43690 Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #92 - Jun 23^rd, 2023 at 10:55am Batteries will get safer too as well as more efficient.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95628 Melbourne Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #93 - Aug 7^th, 2023 at 9:08am Runaway 500 EV meltdown on cargo ship: Proof our cities aren't ready for full EV deployment - don't go near an EV fire with all the toxic smoke - Cobalt etc
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Re: EV batteries are dangerous.
Reply #94 - Aug 7^th, 2023 at 9:11am

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 10:49pm:

Contrary to common disinformation about electric vehicles, data from
the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency (MSB) has shown that EVs
are 20 times less likely to catch fire than petrol and diesel cars.

The MSB says that during 2022 there were a total of 106 fires in
various electrified modes of transport in Sweden, but that 38 of these
were in electric scooters and 20 were electric bicycles.

Only 23 fires were reported in electric vehicles in 2022 making up just
0.004% of Sweden’s fleet of 611,000 EVs. [As of February this year,
there are 83,000 EVs on Australian roads.]

In contrast, over the same period, some 3,400 fires we reported in
2022 from Sweden’s 4.4 million petrol and diesel cars representing
0.08% of the fossil car fleet.

This means that in 2022 a petrol or diesel car in Sweden was around
20 times more likely to catch fire than an electric vehicle.

—Excerpted from 'The Driven', 16 May 2023.

   Petrol or diesel engines catching fire
   can be just as deadly as EV batteries:

   https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/fires.gif

but you can put those fires out with water. EV battery fires just won't respond to water, in fact it makes them worse and they emit so many toxic gases !!

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Reply #95 - Aug 7^th, 2023 at 11:10am

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 7^th, 2023 at 9:11am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 10:49pm:

Contrary to common disinformation about electric vehicles, data from
the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency (MSB) has shown that EVs
are 20 times less likely to catch fire than petrol and diesel cars.

The MSB says that during 2022 there were a total of 106 fires in
various electrified modes of transport in Sweden, but that 38 of these
were in electric scooters and 20 were electric bicycles.

Only 23 fires were reported in electric vehicles in 2022 making up just
0.004% of Sweden’s fleet of 611,000 EVs. [As of February this year,
there are 83,000 EVs on Australian roads.]

In contrast, over the same period, some 3,400 fires we reported in
2022 from Sweden’s 4.4 million petrol and diesel cars representing
0.08% of the fossil car fleet.

This means that in 2022 a petrol or diesel car in Sweden was around
20 times more likely to catch fire than an electric vehicle.

—Excerpted from 'The Driven', 16 May 2023.

   Petrol or diesel engines catching fire
   can be just as deadly as EV batteries:

   https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/fires.gif

but you can put those fires out with water. EV battery fires just won't respond to water, in fact it makes them worse and they emit so many toxic gases !!

I'm sorry to say that is true, however, I think EVs will become a major form of transport, and new battery technology will negate the fire hazard.

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Re: EV batteries are dangerous.
Reply #96 - Aug 7^th, 2023 at 12:49pm

issuevoter wrote on Aug 7^th, 2023 at 11:10am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 7^th, 2023 at 9:11am:

but you can put those fires out with water. EV battery fires just won't respond to water, in fact it makes them worse and they emit so many toxic gases !!

I'm sorry to say that is true, however, I think EVs will become a major form of transport, and new battery technology will negate the fire hazard.

I doubt it - they are intrinsically unsafe.

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Reply #97 - Aug 7^th, 2023 at 8:30pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2023 at 12:49pm:

issuevoter wrote on Aug 7^th, 2023 at 11:10am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 7^th, 2023 at 9:11am:

but you can put those fires out with water. EV battery fires just won't respond to water, in fact it makes them worse and they emit so many toxic gases !!

I'm sorry to say that is true, however, I think EVs will become a major form of transport, and new battery technology will negate the fire hazard.

I doubt it - they are intrinsically unsafe.

They said that about the horseless carriage. The search is for a non-flammable electrolite, and they'll find it.

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AusGeoff Gold Member Offline Sage of Gippsland Posts: 5998 Victoria Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #98 - Aug 8^th, 2023 at 3:22am Yes. Lithium burns under water. The cells are also subject to thermal runaway, as shown in this Paris electric bus fire: There's no way anybody could've extinguished this fire without a foam surround and drown attack.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95628 Melbourne Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #99 - Aug 27^th, 2023 at 1:21pm E-Bike explosion. T.O.B ebike burst into flame in first 3 miles. Beware of Mike Moser ebikes Jump to 9:04
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95628 Melbourne Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #100 - Sep 1^st, 2023 at 3:22pm Chinese E-Bikes are Exploding like Crazy - Self Destructing Spectacularly
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Reply #101 - Sep 4^th, 2023 at 1:19pm

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Electric vehicles catch fire after being exposed to saltwater from Hurricane Idalia

“Saltwater exposure can trigger combustion in lithium-ion batteries. If possible, transfer your vehicle to higher ground,” the Palm Beach fire department wrote in a Facebook post.

Two electric vehicles in Palm Beach, Florida caught fire after being exposed to saltwater from Hurricane Idalia, according to reports.

Officials from the fire department said that both cars were Teslas and stated that the rechargeable car batteries might combust if exposed to saltwater.

“If you own a hybrid or electric vehicle that has come into contact with saltwater due to recent flooding within the last 24 hours, it is crucial to relocate the vehicle from your garage without delay,” the department wrote in a Facebook post. “Saltwater exposure can trigger combustion in lithium-ion batteries. If possible, transfer your vehicle to higher ground.”

The warning also extended to other vehicles with lithium-ion batteries such as electric golf carts, scooters and bicycles.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/electric-vehicles-catch-f...

Don't park your EV near the beach. Salt spray can be very fine, just look at some cars and you can see the salt.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 40719 Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #102 - Sep 4^th, 2023 at 4:57pm China’s Abandoned, Obsolete Electric Cars Are Piling Up in Cities A subsidy-fueled boom helped build China into an electric-car giant but left weed-infested lots across the nation brimming with unwanted battery-powered vehicles.
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Reply #103 - Sep 13^th, 2023 at 6:39am

Not another massive battery fire?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/sydney-airport-lithium-ion-battery-causes...

Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys five cars

By Maryanne Taouk
Posted 14h ago

Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery
exploded at Sydney Airport on Monday night.

Key points:

A detached EV battery has been confirmed as the source of the fire
Fire and rescue crews attended the scene under the control tower at Sydney Airport
Authorities have monitored the battery overnight in case of a spark-up

Fire and Rescue NSW and the Aviation Rescue Firefighting Service battled the blaze which broke out under the control tower on the southern end of Airport Drive in Mascot.

Firefighters confirmed sparks spread from a detached lithium-ion battery from a luxury car to four nearby cars parked at the airport about 8:30pm.

Superintendent Adam Dewberry from Fire and Rescue NSW said that while battery fires were not uncommon, electric vehicles were not a concern for authorities.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95628 Melbourne Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #104 - Sep 13^th, 2023 at 6:45pm
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