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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #45 - May 23^rd, 2022 at 11:47am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 8:46am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 8:45am:

Greens want to dismantle $379b of export income -

Alan Jones

This guy is a stupid front bottom and a liar LOL!!!

... and the one who famously boasted on

QANDA

that as a friend and

political adviser to John Howard

,told him that

it doesn't matter if you lie

- if it gets you elected

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #46 - May 23^rd, 2022 at 1:09pm

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 3:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 3:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 3:31pm:

I need to stay here to hold Albo and his Greens buddies to account
for their climate policies based on a fallacy.

Be sure to let me know how that works out for you, okay?

What they've done is feed people feel good nonsense.
which won't make a scrap of difference in the world.

People are very susceptible to 'feel good nonsense' because there is a cost of living crisis, owing to the current failing economic orthodoxy based on private financiers funding government, and false theories of inflation and interest rates.

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It won't stop:
the fires,
the mass coral bleaching,
the floods or
the sea level rise or
stop increasing global temperatures.

The only possible answer is what has been discussed on this forum
and that is a new age of Thorium nuclear power.
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1519823686/150

Yes, free unlimited energy, but private financiers would still insist on keeping the profits for themselves, even though the energy could be mostly free (since it's unlimited).

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Unfortunately they can't seem to iron out the technical problems fast enough.

But they COULD roll out massive solar and wind globally NOW, with current nuclear probably sufficient for back up.

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #47 - May 23^rd, 2022 at 1:19pm

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:54am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:49am:

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:33am:

Whatever we do on carbon emissions it's only a drop
in the ocean compared to the rest of the world.
Coal fired power stations are being built 24 hours a day
at a rapid rate especially in China and India.

Anything we do is purely symbolic.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/30/five-asian-countries-80-perc...

Five Asian countries are jeopardising global climate ambitions by investing in 80%
of the world’s planned new coal plants, according to a report.

Carbon Tracker, a financial thinktank, has found that

China, India, Indonesia, Japan and Vietnam
plan to build more than 600 coal power units

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even though renewable energy is cheaper than most new coal plants

This is literal bullshit on more than one level. Renewables are inevitable, cheaper, and the next growth industry. We can't control other countries, but we control what we do. Our coal exports make us one of the biggest countries creating climate emissions

Except that if we don't export it we'll be a very poor country
and other countries will burn far worse poor quality coal.

Some of these Asian countries have similar arguments. where without coal power their people will have no light power employment etc.

We should be slowly winding down coal mining and winding down coal export even quicker.

2010 would have been a good target date.

At one time Australia was a world leader but successive Liberal governments have turned us into another group dragging its feet.

We could have been in a position to be selling clean power technology to the world instead we are still an embarrassment on the fringe of the do nothing or less brigade.

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #48 - May 23^rd, 2022 at 2:06pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 9:27am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 9:23am:

You are an intellectual midget -

you've failed to counter any point that I've made.

Did you think you raised real points? LOL!! I've heard this tired bullshit forever. Read a book.

I'm still waiting for you - try again -

if we closed down Australia now:
It won't stop:
the fires,
the mass coral bleaching,
the floods or
the sea level rise or
stop increasing global temperatures.

Whatever we do is a drop in the ocean compared
to countries like China and India.

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #49 - May 23^rd, 2022 at 2:12pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 2:06pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 9:27am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 9:23am:

You are an intellectual midget -

you've failed to counter any point that I've made.

Did you think you raised real points? LOL!! I've heard this tired bullshit forever. Read a book.

I'm still waiting for you - try again -

if we closed down Australia now:
It won't stop:
the fires,
the mass coral bleaching,
the floods or
the sea level rise or
stop increasing global temperatures.

Whatever we do is a drop in the ocean compared
to countries like China and India.

This remains an argument for no one to do anything

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #50 - May 23^rd, 2022 at 2:20pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 2:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 2:06pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 9:27am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 9:23am:

You are an intellectual midget -

you've failed to counter any point that I've made.

Did you think you raised real points? LOL!! I've heard this tired bullshit forever. Read a book.

I'm still waiting for you - try again -

if we closed down Australia now:
It won't stop:
the fires,
the mass coral bleaching,
the floods or
the sea level rise or
stop increasing global temperatures.

Whatever we do is a drop in the ocean compared
to countries like China and India.

This remains an argument for no one to do anything

It would be great if we could go 100% renewable but
only as a symbolic gesture to the rest of the world.
We could stand tall knowing that we had done the right thing
but countries like China and India would not change their ways.
They have refused to stop building coal fired power stations.
They are building more 24 hours a day.

However - China and India are making the most serious
effort to design the first full scale Thorium nuclear reactors.
That would be cheap, unlimited, safe, Green power.
I wish them well with that.
If they don't succeed we're all in trouble.
The Yanks had a small research molten salt reactor in the mid 1970s
but they closed it down.

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #51 - May 23^rd, 2022 at 2:23pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 2:20pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 2:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 2:06pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 9:27am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 9:23am:

You are an intellectual midget -

you've failed to counter any point that I've made.

Did you think you raised real points? LOL!! I've heard this tired bullshit forever. Read a book.

I'm still waiting for you - try again -

if we closed down Australia now:
It won't stop:
the fires,
the mass coral bleaching,
the floods or
the sea level rise or
stop increasing global temperatures.

Whatever we do is a drop in the ocean compared
to countries like China and India.

This remains an argument for no one to do anything

It would be great if we could go 100% renewable but
only as a symbolic gesture to the rest of the world.
We could stand tall knowing that we had done the right thing
but countries like China and India would not change their ways.
They have refused to stop building coal fired power stations.
They are building more 24 hours a day.

However - China and India are making the most serious
effort to design the first full scale Thorium nuclear reactors.
That would be cheap, unlimited, safe, Green power.
I wish them well with that.
If they don't succeed we're all in trouble.
The Yanks had a small research molten salt reactor in the mid 1970s
but they closed it down.

China is using coal as a bridging technology, yes

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20203 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #52 - May 23^rd, 2022 at 4:19pm FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 2:23pm: China is using coal as a bridging technology, yes A bridge too far?
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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #53 - May 23^rd, 2022 at 5:32pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 2:06pm:

if we closed down Australia now:
It won't stop:
the fires,
the mass coral bleaching,
the floods or
the sea level rise or
stop increasing global temperatures.

A. no one is talking about closing down Australia
B. Do something now, and your grandkids might see the result, do nothing and 'wait for china', and your grandkids will still be having the same argument but from inside oxygen tents

tell me goober, do you not mow your lawn if your neighbour doesn't mow his?

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #54 - May 23^rd, 2022 at 10:01pm

John Smith wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 5:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 2:06pm:

if we closed down Australia now:
It won't stop:
the fires,
the mass coral bleaching,
the floods or
the sea level rise or
stop increasing global temperatures.

A. no one is talking about closing down Australia
B. Do something now, and your grandkids might see the result, do nothing and 'wait for china', and your grandkids will still be having the same argument but from inside oxygen tents

tell me goober, do you not mow your lawn if your neighbour doesn't mow his?

John,
you know you're not allowed to post in the Environment forum?

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1612043899

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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 118112 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #55 - May 23^rd, 2022 at 11:48pm .
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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 118112 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #56 - May 23^rd, 2022 at 11:53pm This link shows different numbers: https://www.statista.com/statistics/859266/number-of-coal-power-plants-by-countr... 1,110 in China.
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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #57 - May 24^th, 2022 at 12:10am

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2317274-china-is-building-more-than-half-of...

China is building more than half of the world's new coal power plants

Some 176 gigawatts of coal capacity was under construction in 2021, and more than half of that was being built in China
Environment 26 April 2022

By Adam Vaughan

Globally, the number of coal power stations is actually growing as new constructions more than offset the closure of old plants.

Construction of new coal-fired stations is occurring overwhelmingly in Asia, with China accounting for 52 per cent of the 176 gigawatts of coal capacity under construction in 20 countries last year.

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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #58 - May 24^th, 2022 at 7:48am Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 11:48pm: . My God, she triggers boomers.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20203 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #59 - May 24^th, 2022 at 11:49am "Swedish Greens struggle in Greta’s shadow " https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-greens-struggle-greta-thunberg-shadow/
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