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The fallacy of the Greens
May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:33am

Whatever we do on carbon emissions it's only a drop
in the ocean compared to the rest of the world.
Coal fired power stations are being built 24 hours a day
at a rapid rate especially in China and India.

Anything we do is purely symbolic.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/30/five-asian-countries-80-perc...

Five Asian countries are jeopardising global climate ambitions by investing in 80%
of the world’s planned new coal plants, according to a report.

Carbon Tracker, a financial thinktank, has found that

China, India, Indonesia, Japan and Vietnam
plan to build more than 600 coal power units

,
even though renewable energy is cheaper than most new coal plants

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #1 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:34am

The Greens don't want you to see this as it confirms
that any climate action we take is a drop in the ocean compared
to what other countries are doing to increase CO2 levels.
The Green targets are only symbolic yet they try to make out that
it will make a measurable difference.
The Greens are liars.
Now with Albo's minority Govt the Greens will have Albo over a barrel.

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #2 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:49am

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:33am:

Whatever we do on carbon emissions it's only a drop
in the ocean compared to the rest of the world.
Coal fired power stations are being built 24 hours a day
at a rapid rate especially in China and India.

Anything we do is purely symbolic.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/30/five-asian-countries-80-perc...

Five Asian countries are jeopardising global climate ambitions by investing in 80%
of the world’s planned new coal plants, according to a report.

Carbon Tracker, a financial thinktank, has found that

China, India, Indonesia, Japan and Vietnam
plan to build more than 600 coal power units

,
even though renewable energy is cheaper than most new coal plants

This is literal bullshit on more than one level. Renewables are inevitable, cheaper, and the next growth industry. We can't control other countries, but we control what we do. Our coal exports make us one of the biggest countries creating climate emissions

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #3 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:50am

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:34am:

The Greens don't want you to see this as it confirms
that any climate action we take is a drop in the ocean compared
to what other countries are doing to increase CO2 levels.
The Green targets are only symbolic yet they try to make out that
it will make a measurable difference.
The Greens are liars.
Now with Albo's minority Govt the Greens will have Albo over a barrel.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/106/957/161/original/260a79...

Imagine being so stupid, you think 'the best coal in the world' is a sentence with real meaning

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #4 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:53am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:50am:

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:34am:

The Greens don't want you to see this as it confirms
that any climate action we take is a drop in the ocean compared
to what other countries are doing to increase CO2 levels.
The Green targets are only symbolic yet they try to make out that
it will make a measurable difference.
The Greens are liars.
Now with Albo's minority Govt the Greens will have Albo over a barrel.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/106/957/161/original/260a79...

Imagine being so stupid, you think 'the best coal in the world' is a sentence with real meaning

We have Anthracite coal - do you even know what that is?

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #5 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:54am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:49am:

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:33am:

Whatever we do on carbon emissions it's only a drop
in the ocean compared to the rest of the world.
Coal fired power stations are being built 24 hours a day
at a rapid rate especially in China and India.

Anything we do is purely symbolic.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/30/five-asian-countries-80-perc...

Five Asian countries are jeopardising global climate ambitions by investing in 80%
of the world’s planned new coal plants, according to a report.

Carbon Tracker, a financial thinktank, has found that

China, India, Indonesia, Japan and Vietnam
plan to build more than 600 coal power units

,
even though renewable energy is cheaper than most new coal plants

This is literal bullshit on more than one level. Renewables are inevitable, cheaper, and the next growth industry. We can't control other countries, but we control what we do. Our coal exports make us one of the biggest countries creating climate emissions

Except that if we don't export it we'll be a very poor country
and other countries will burn far worse poor quality coal.

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #6 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:56am

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:54am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:49am:

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:33am:

Whatever we do on carbon emissions it's only a drop
in the ocean compared to the rest of the world.
Coal fired power stations are being built 24 hours a day
at a rapid rate especially in China and India.

Anything we do is purely symbolic.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/30/five-asian-countries-80-perc...

Five Asian countries are jeopardising global climate ambitions by investing in 80%
of the world’s planned new coal plants, according to a report.

Carbon Tracker, a financial thinktank, has found that

China, India, Indonesia, Japan and Vietnam
plan to build more than 600 coal power units

,
even though renewable energy is cheaper than most new coal plants

This is literal bullshit on more than one level. Renewables are inevitable, cheaper, and the next growth industry. We can't control other countries, but we control what we do. Our coal exports make us one of the biggest countries creating climate emissions

Except that if we don't export it we'll be a very poor country
and other countries will burn far worse poor quality coal.

Imagine thinking it's an economy to sell off chunks of the country....

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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20231 Gordon Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #7 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:01am Lets hope Labor embrace nuclear power. If Liberal tried it the left would spaz out so if their own team did it them may accept it.
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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95495 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #8 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:10am Gordon wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:01am: Lets hope Labor embrace nuclear power. If Liberal tried it the left would spaz out so if their own team did it they may accept it. What about waiting for Thorium power? https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1519823686/150#150
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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #9 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:14am Gordon wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:01am: Lets hope Labor embrace nuclear power. If Liberal tried it the left would spaz out so if their own team did it them may accept it. Nuclear is dirty and not needed
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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #10 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:19am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:14am:

Gordon wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:01am:

Lets hope Labor embrace nuclear power.
If Liberal tried it the left would spaz out so if their own team did it them may accept it.

Nuclear is dirty and not needed

Nuclear waste takes too long to decay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_waste

Some common nuclear waste half lives:

Plutonium 239 half life    24,110 years.
Americium 241 half life       432 years
Radium 226    Half life    1,600 years
Uranium 236 Half life 15 million years.
Plutonium 244 Half life 80 million years
Uranium 235 Half life 704 million years
Uranium 238 half life    4.5 billion years

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #11 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:21am

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:19am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:14am:

Gordon wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 10:01am:

Lets hope Labor embrace nuclear power.
If Liberal tried it the left would spaz out so if their own team did it them may accept it.

Nuclear is dirty and not needed

Nuclear waste takes too long to decay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_waste

Some common nuclear waste half lives:

Plutonium 239 half life    24,110 years.
Americium 241 half life       432 years
Radium 226    Half life    1,600 years
Uranium 236 Half life 15 million years.
Plutonium 244 Half life 80 million years
Uranium 235 Half life 704 million years
Uranium 238 half life    4.5 billion years

Those numbers look similar to my estimate of when Liberals might win power again...

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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95495 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #12 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:11am So - FutureTheLeftWant - how does it feel that the party you support has policies based on a fallacy?
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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #13 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:14am Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:11am: So - FutureTheLeftWant - how does it feel that the party you support has policies based on a fallacy? My God the right cry a lot. What policies do you mean?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72269 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #14 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:16am Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:33am: Whatever we do on carbon emissions it's only a drop in the ocean compared to the rest of the world. it's that sort of stupidity that saw the libs annihilated last night.
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