Australian Politics Forum - The fallacy of the Greens

thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 15589 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #375 - Oct 17^th, 2022 at 12:45pm Frank wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 12:24pm: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfN1aYMXkAISA6D?.jpg That refers to dams for irrigation, not for pumped-hydro storage (which recycle water in a closed loop).
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21394 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #376 - Oct 17^th, 2022 at 1:58pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 10:59am: Back to front as usual. I'm the one pointing out the unsustainability of business as usual. And yet you want the untried MMT as business as usual.
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Reply #377 - Oct 17^th, 2022 at 2:15pm

lee wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 1:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 10:59am:

Back to front as usual. I'm the one pointing out the unsustainability of business as usual.

And yet you want the untried MMT as business as usual. Roll Eyes

Correct. Be patient, doctorate level courses in MMT sustainable economics are beginning this year.

(Way above your capacity, but graduates will soon replace the current crop of 'flat-earth' neoclassicists currently boring us all silly with their empty-headed "govt. debt which must be repaid"/ "balanced govt. budget" etc etc BS.

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Reply #378 - Oct 17^th, 2022 at 3:13pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 2:15pm:

(Way above your capacity, but graduates will soon replace the current crop of 'flat-earth' neoclassicists currently boring us all silly with their empty-headed "govt. debt which must be repaid"/ "balanced govt. budget" etc etc BS.

They can't even get an unbalanced budget right. Grin

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59817 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #379 - Oct 17^th, 2022 at 6:52pm Frank wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 12:24pm: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfN1aYMXkAISA6D?.jpg
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Reply #380 - Oct 18^th, 2022 at 11:36am

lee wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 3:13pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 17^th, 2022 at 2:15pm:

(Way above your capacity, but graduates will soon replace the current crop of 'flat-earth' neoclassicists currently boring us all silly with their empty-headed "govt. debt which must be repaid"/ "balanced govt. budget" etc etc BS.

They can't even get an unbalanced budget right. Grin

As if you know anything about government budgets, you blind supporter of usurious private-sector money lenders.

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Re: The fallacy of the Greens
Reply #381 - Mar 1^st, 2023 at 7:36pm

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:34am:

Now with
Albo's minority Govt
the Greens will have Albo over a barrel.

Australia's new Labor government has secured a majority in parliament
, election analysts say.

The centre-left party, led by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, defeated Scott Morrison's conservative coalition in an election on 21 May.

A record vote for independents and minor parties had made it uncertain whether Mr Albanese would govern in his own right.

But he now has the 76 lower house seats needed, after victories in tight races.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-61641853

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21394 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #382 - Mar 1^st, 2023 at 9:35pm *
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Reply #383 - Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 12:25pm

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Greta Thunberg has been taking part in a five-day protest blocking the entrance to Norway’s energy ministry to protest against wind turbines.

Miss Thunberg was specifically demonstrating against wind turbines built on land traditionally used by indigenous Sami reindeer herders.

“Indigenous rights, human rights, must go hand-in-hand with climate protection and climate action. That can’t happen at the expense of some people. Then it is not climate justice,” she said while sitting outside the ministry’s main entrance with other demonstrators.

Norway’s supreme court in 2021 ruled that two wind farms built in central Norway violated Sami rights under international conventions, but the turbines remain in operation more than 16 months later.

Reindeer herders in the Nordic country say the sight and sound of the giant wind power machinery frighten their animals and disrupt age-old traditions.

Ms Thunberg and a dozen other Sami demonstrators have occupied the ministry’s reception area since Thursday. Police forcibly removed them at around 1.30am on Monday and detained them before releasing them.

They returned to the ministry at around 6am.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/02/27/greta-thunberg-blocks-door-nor...

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Reply #384 - Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 12:37pm

lee wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 12:25pm:

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Greta Thunberg has been taking part in a five-day protest blocking the entrance to Norway’s energy ministry to protest against wind turbines.

Miss Thunberg was specifically demonstrating against wind turbines built on land traditionally used by indigenous Sami reindeer herders.

“Indigenous rights, human rights, must go hand-in-hand with climate protection and climate action. That can’t happen at the expense of some people. Then it is not climate justice,” she said while sitting outside the ministry’s main entrance with other demonstrators.

Norway’s supreme court in 2021 ruled that two wind farms built in central Norway violated Sami rights under international conventions, but the turbines remain in operation more than 16 months later.

Reindeer herders in the Nordic country say the sight and sound of the giant wind power machinery frighten their animals and disrupt age-old traditions.

Ms Thunberg and a dozen other Sami demonstrators have occupied the ministry’s reception area since Thursday. Police forcibly removed them at around 1.30am on Monday and detained them before releasing them.

They returned to the ministry at around 6am.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/02/27/greta-thunberg-blocks-door-nor...

showing a 'fault line ' in the Greens: aboriginal culture and "nature" versus renewable energy.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21394 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #385 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 1:57pm
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 15589 Gender:	Re: The fallacy of the Greens Reply #386 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 4:49pm lee wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 1:57pm: https://i.postimg.cc/Pq2S84Tg/mrz030523d-APR-800x0.jpg But you can run a grid on free sun and wind (and nuclear for backup) , though giving the greedy private sector the flick is probably necessary.... we will see.
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Reply #387 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 4:59pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 4:49pm:

But you can run a grid on free sun and wind (and nuclear for backup) , though giving the greedy private sector the flick is probably necessary.... we will see.

The sun and wind are free. The installation, maintenance, replacement are not. And then of course the recycling. At least you got the nuclear bit right. Roll Eyes

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Reply #388 - Mar 7^th, 2023 at 1:17pm

lee wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 4:59pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 4:49pm:

But you can run a grid on free sun and wind (and nuclear for backup) , though giving the greedy private sector the flick is probably necessary.... we will see.

The sun and wind are free. The installation, maintenance, replacement are not. And then of course the recycling. At least you got the nuclear bit right. Roll Eyes

Keynes said: "Anything we can actually do, we can afford.”

...provided we give the greedy private sector the flick - who would rather extract fat profits from fossils than build renewable infrastructure powered by free sunshine and wind...

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Reply #389 - Mar 7^th, 2023 at 2:28pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 7^th, 2023 at 1:17pm:

..provided we give the greedy private sector the flick - who would rather extract fat profits from fossils than build renewable infrastructure powered by free sunshine and wind...

So give us your reasoning for why those with the most wind and solar are among the most expensive. Roll Eyes

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