thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 30^th, 2022 at 12:19pm:



Only until you have to back it up something. But tell me how they will overcome the sand dune drift. How about the stability of the structure in moving sand?

From you ref -

"Building solar and wind power energy systems is cheaper than any other option in 2021, and they are predicted to ultimately produce far more electricity than is currently demanded."

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 30^th, 2022 at 12:19pm:


https://theconversation.com/snowy-2-0-will-not-produce-nearly-as-much-electricit...


Ah yes those fossil fuel fiends from The Conversation.

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Author

    Bruce Mountain

    Director, Victoria Energy Policy Centre, Victoria University

Disclosure statement

Bruce Mountain does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organisation that would benefit from this article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond their academic appointment."

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 30^th, 2022 at 12:19pm:


And they also suffer sand dune drift.

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 30^th, 2022 at 12:19pm:



If it is free how are they going to pay? What job? washing solar panels?

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 30^th, 2022 at 1:05pm:

And thus making it harder to install those PV's that have to be made with fossil fuel energy.

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 30^th, 2022 at 1:05pm:


Yeah. Nothing about the required backup. Once that is included it is not cheap.

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 30^th, 2022 at 1:05pm:

.
Weill perhaps you can find one that supports your theory on Snowy 2.0

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 30^th, 2022 at 1:05pm:

So tell me where.

.thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 30^th, 2022 at 1:05pm:



Wow. So soon and it has definitely PREVENTED  a GFC.

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 30^th, 2022 at 1:05pm:


With what straw brooms? You have heard of sand blasting haven't you? It etches the surface, reduces effectiveness.

You should try cleaning your windscreen with a dry brush.

How often do they have sand storms? Wind carries sand for miles. Remember when Sydney was covered in wind blown sand haze?

Frank wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 12:07pm:


yes, the private sector won't be able to effect an orderely transition to renewables. ...so it's not suprising Atlinta are squealing. Atlinta's 'offers' are an indecipherable  sham, electrons are electrons wherever they originate.

The entire power industry should be nationalized 

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 3:52pm:



It was functioning well until government policies, yielding to Greens and Teals pressure, signed up to the net zero insanity and a completely disorderly, shambolic, idiotic Greens-driven energy transition. No private industry could or would handicap itself as comprehensively as governments around the Western world are handicapping them so as not to be growled at by the Gretas.

Watch Europe over the coming winter. EU stupidity on climate and energy policy is going to bite hard.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 3:52pm:


But the pundits say it is green electrons. Despite the PV arays and wind turbines being made using fossil fuels.

Frank wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 4:04pm:


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jan/01/john-howard-2000-cabinet-...

"Climate change remained a major issue for the Howard government as it had been in previous years – and would continue to be.

The 2000 cabinet papers show the Australian Greenhouse Office was working on an emissions trading scheme in early 2000, and sought funding for it in the May budget."

hmm...Howard was in on it, too.....

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Governments actually believe the scientfic majority opinion on climate change, but yes - now the 'nuts and bolts' of the transition are coming into play, there is much confusion in government about funding the transition. The nationalization route has not yet been broached, because the neoliberal market goons are still in power, in government.

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I hope so. A few people freezing to death will likely destroy the economically useless neoliberal EU. 

Not surprisingly, France is taking control:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/france-keeps-edf-buyout-offer-12-euros-p...

France starts process to fully nationalise power group EDF

"PARIS, Oct 4 (Reuters) - France on Tuesday started the process to fully nationalise debt-laden nuclear power group EDF (EDF.PA), seeking to secure greater control of its energy supplies as Europe scrambles to replace Russian gas."

lee wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 5:27pm:


The consensus that all governments believe is based on a majority IPPC report.

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A timely transitition is impossible via the private sector,  and the issue of nuclear should have been sorted globally ages ago.


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Yes, I think nuclear is 'green',  especially if CO2 emissions are a problem.

lee wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 5:31pm:


Well, AGW-CO2 is accepted as real by all governments.

Even the opinionated Ray Hadley, while today attacking Labor for closing coal-powered power stations, said "this is not about denying climate change, this is about making sure there is sufficient renewable power available BEFORE the coal power plants are shut down, and without crippling price rises".

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Governments don't....

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Failing BECAUSE the private fossil companies are still calling the shots, playing a double game (since they don't want their lucrative fossil assets rendered worthless..); neoliberal market economists want a politically toxic carbon tax to direct the private fossil companies to the required investment, and governments are hooked on royalties)

The public sector should have upgraded the grid a decade ago...now Chalmers will claim he doesn't have the money.

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China and India are rolling it out; they want to clean up their fossil-caused air pollution problem (apart from the CO2 issue).  And France is pushing ahead.

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Gas is NOT green (it emits CO2 when combusted); OTOH, governments (...and Ray Hadley....) are convinced AGW-CO2 is real.

(...though Ray is probably just playing it safe, given the elction results...)