He sounds like a pig if a person, that's evidenced by the cheating but I don't think he's an out an out rapist.

cods wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 8:12am:



I'm sorry, I don't agree.

I do not think it was a violent rape, most of us have accidentally torn a woman a little during sex when it gets busy.
Accidents happen in the heat of the moment.
Hell, look at the poor bloke in another thread that broke his penis (one of 2000 a year)

If it were violent, she would be sporting bruises, not getting a couple of spots of blood on the sheets.

I do agree however that Haines is a Pig of a man.
No real man cheats on his wife.
No real man just jumps on a woman for a quickie while a taxi is waiting outside.

But to go away for rape, that is pushing the woke message a little too far.

Our footballers are not known for their common sense.
They take pictures of themselves in the most compromising situations.
They take girls to bed without checking who, what or how old they are.

They even state in church that god will punish pooftahs......that seems to be the biggest crime of all.

You can tell what kind of person this guy is by the company he keeps. Having your family members assault the press and spit at the victim outside the court tells me all I need to know about this scumbag.

Just another brainless overpaid football player who thinks he's god's gift to the world.

Yes, he's a pig, but it also sounds like the kind of case where someone went out of their way to stand in front of a fully steamed up freight train then asked it to stop at the last minute.

Sounds like a case of idiot meets pig.

Gordon wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 8:55am:




The problem with your analogy is the sense that no at the last moment makes no difference. No means no.

Valkie wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 7:21am:


No.

Just don't rape women (or men).

Is that so hard?

most of us have accidentally torn a woman a little during sex when it gets busy.
Accidents happen in the heat of the moment.

mothra wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 9:33am:



Destruction of the pre thinking they have a right to stuff without permission

I watched the 1st part of see what you made do on SBS on wednesday night. Damn disturbing.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 9:41am:

..


and some aspirin for his headache his wife probably gives him....

mothra wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 9:53am:


It appears that some in this thread have either never made love, or have never had good lovemaking.

In 40 plus years of marriage, my wife and I have and enjoy our mutually fulfilling love life.

If you have never enjoyed mutually satisfying love, not just sex (as in satisfying yourself instead of your partner) I can see your confusion.
Things like minor tearing, scratches or even pulled muscles comes with an enjoyable and enthusiastic bout of lovemaking.

But then again, if you can only manage about 3 minutes of self absorbed sex, rather than a more intimate and extended love session, I assume you will rarely even raise a sweat, let alone give any satisfaction to your partner.

Gordon wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 9:31am:


Jesus.

No means every bit as much 5 seconds before as it does an hour before.

No means no. What is it going to take to drum it through to bone head men?

Gordon wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 12:10pm:




It doesn't matter.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 12:16pm:


Sort of indicates consent, no? 

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 12:09pm:

.....not one single thing to do with it... what makes you think the facts would be different if he were a poor boy and an unknown?

She invited him over for a booty call, it seems - then says he raped her.... now what was that proof that it was actual rape?  Sounds more like the jury were afraid to refuse her version, since they would be publicly humiliated and called everything under the sun if they did.  Kind of like that Abo woman in Townsville raving at the cops for cleaning up the mess after 'one of theirs' smashed a stolen car and killed himself, when not even being pursued... did it all himself but to her the cops were fair game.

I think many in this nation at this time need to step back and take a good, long, hard look at their attitudes and approach to things.... and actually engage their brains....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 12:24pm:


Well, it's not quite that simple.
If a woman chases a man.
And makes provocative statements, sends sex texts.
Goes with him back to his room.
Takes off her clothing and appears to be interested in sex.

It's still not consent, until she says yes.

Oh, and if she suddenly decides, after a good bit of fun, that she has had enough.
It's the simple act of saying no and the man must stop immediately

Even then, he can still be held guilty of coercion regardless.

Where does the line get drawn?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 12:16pm:


The prosecution was implying there is something wrong with the fact he was going there for sex.

Gordon wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 12:43pm:



Still really doesn't matter, she can send him 1000 texts saying come for sex, ring him 1000 times some come do it, but if he gets there and she says no, guess what consent withdrawn.

Valkie wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 12:53pm:




Apples and oranges dipshit. When your plastic friend says no come back to me.

What he did was wrong.
I can't stand the bloke.


Truth is.....
She changes her mind mid visit due to the beeping horn of a taxi.
How this woman believed she had anything different to what unfolded is beyond me.
She is engaging contact with a married sports personality ffs. There is plenty of history out there as to how well these situations unfold.
Her words apparently... “I felt saddened because I felt like he must have only seen me in one type of way.
Yes love, that's all he saw.

He only wants one thing. She presented him with the opportunity and reneged due to a taxi parked outside her bedroom window beeping its horn.
when she heard the taxi beeping outside her bedroom window she resolved there was “no way” she was going to consent to sex.

Wait, how did this end up in her bedroom if she didn't want to get it on?
Did hayne force her in there?
The sexting and flirting online that happened prior to this event is the reason hayne was at the house. It's not as if he has kicked in the door, forced her into the bedroom and starting numbing away.

This is sadly a life long lesson this woman has to learn. Unfortunately she had a little part of involvement imo, up until she said NO. But to expect a person like hayne to just get up, wish her well and leave is nothing more than rediculous.
As for hayne, he'll be out soon.

I feel sorry for Haynes wife, unless she is open to him fooling around. Some footy couples have some shady history.

when a babe agrees to head back to a sport stars place , she has every right to expect that she is going there to watch Q and A with him and enter into a discussion of the modern political situation 

Pell was released on a similar argument with evidence based on a single and dependant witness. The appeal, if granted will be interesting.

crocodile wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 1:54pm:
hes been found  guilty of rape, not just rape, violent rape. Thats the point.

I reckon theres something seriously wrong with a few of you "men". Saying no is for me an immediate passion killer, regardless of the prelude. And connecting violence with sex? Seriously? This is sick puppy stuff. Offering mitigation for a violent rapist, very sick.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 12:16pm:


The prosecution was implying there is something wrong with the fact he was going there for sex.

Gnads wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 2:06pm:





But when a woman says yes  -  does she really mean no?

Or when she says no -  does she mean yes?

Bobby. wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 2:14pm:

Id go with the commonly accepted meanings of yes or no.

rhino wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 2:42pm:


maybe we need an app.

consent could involve voice recognition of the words yes and no

do you now consent to me undoing your bra?

yes.

a tick appears on haynes app.

this is then followed by the next question.

i think this is where we should be headed.

at the end of each experience , there could be some questions related to feedback and then , like on ebay, the guy could publish his 99 % customer satisfaction.

it may kill the mood a bit,  but 'safety first'

rhino wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 1:43pm:


That's not quite the point. Where is the evidence that she did actually withdraw consent. Right now the only evidence is that of the complainant saying because I said so. The defendant denies it. Reasonable doubt my arse.

Pell was released on a similar argument with evidence based on a single and dependant witness. The appeal, if granted will be interesting.

crocodile wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 1:54pm:




it is a bizarre case thats for sure..but no excuse for this....

The woman who has accused Jarryd Hayne of raping her has testified at his trial that a doctor told her that her vagina injury looked like a bite.

A doctor believed a woman had been bitten in an alleged bedroom attack by former NRL star Jarryd Hayne, his rape trial has heard.

I reckon theres something seriously wrong with a few of you "men". Saying no is for me an immediate passion killer, regardless of the prelude. And connecting violence with sex? Seriously? This is sick puppy stuff. Offering mitigation for a violent rapist, very sick.

John Smith wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 5:32pm:





No, most of us have not. Unless you're a pig why would you?

............   Former NRL player Tony Williams has been sacked by his current club in New York after a post to his Instagram Story after Hayne was sentenced on Thursday, claiming the Parramatta great was innocent.

“Fn dogs,” Williams wrote.

“To all Haynsy’s family and friends stay strong for him and let God do he’s thing I love you all … God always prevails.

“Before I let this be just want to congratulate the victim and the so called justice system you’ve sent an innocent brotherly to jail away from he’s kids you bunch of flops … that’s all respectively.”

Williams played alongside Hayne at the Parramatta Eels in 2008, finishing his NRL career with 170 matches and 50 tries             ..............

Quote:



https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/exteammates-slammed-for-appalli...

It's good to see his club take decisive action here.

Again - the only evidence for her saying no is her statement.  It's too murky to proceed to a conviction, and to do so runs the serious danger of undermining the rule of law.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 6:06pm:



what a load of bollocks. The jury who saw ALL the evidence obviously thought they had enough evidence.

Or are you one of those that thinks he should have filmed it and posted it online just so that you can be satisfied?

John Smith wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 7:10pm:


Generally Courts and judges come to the correct result

Gnads wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 2:06pm:
No one is talking mid coitus you dumbass, but yes, i would stop.  I dont get turned on by women struggling violently and saying no, the fact that you do equates to serious mental health issues on your part. Rape isnt normal you sick puppy..

Hayne’s downfall a result of talent trumping accountability

Right to the very end the false reality that poisoned Jarryd Hayne’s world was on display.

When he was led away to jail, he left behind a group of enablers and hero-worshippers who headed outside, some of whom found their judgment so clouded by Hayne’s fate that they showed aggression at the victim and her supporters.

Police had to intervene.

One man spat at the victim.

It is irrelevant that despite the conclusion the jury reached, they believe Hayne’s version over the victim’s, as they will claim. Or that they were angry at what they believe was an injustice, which they will also claim.

A court had made its decision, based on evidence, not emotion. Hayne has now lodged an appeal. The lack of respect for authority and for decency failed to register with Hayne’s supporters, unable to understand that they are the very weapons that also brought down their hero. These people can blame themselves for playing a small part in why Hayne is where he is. Few ever learned to say no to Hayne, and he did not like it when they did. That, essentially, is what the court found.

There were countless times strong discipline and the game could have saved Hayne from behaving “entitled”, to use Judge Helen Syme’s adjective, that cost him his freedom.

Yet Hayne rarely saw it, right to the end. His defence barrister, Richard Pontello SC, argued on Thursday that Hayne had suffered punishment enough by losing a $500,000 contract with St George Illawarra.

Being kind, it was a defence completely out of touch with reality. Anybody sent to jail loses employment. Why should Hayne’s high salary, or privileged job with the Dragons, deserve extra consideration? Even Hayne seemed to believe it was a price enough to pay.

Hayne was in his second stint at Parramatta at the
time the rape occurred in 2018. By then, the Eels had shown remarkable leniency towards him.

The Eels brought him back in 2018 after Hayne had called coach Brad Arthur in 2014 to tell him he was walking out on the club, mid-contract, to chase a start in the NFL. Arthur did not have to release him because a lot of his planning, talent-wise and salary cap, was built around Hayne’s presence at the club. But he did, unwilling to stop a young man chasing his dreams.

The sweetener was Hayne promised to return to the Eels if the NFL experiment failed.

Which he did not.

After returning early from his deal with the San Francisco 49ers, which included a civil lawsuit he settled out of court with a woman making claims against him similar to the actions for which he is now jailed, he signed a contract with Gold Coast and said he was disappointed Parramatta never made him an offer.

Then Eels interim chief executive Bevan Paul pointed out a contract was offered to Hayne 48 hours earlier. Arthur said the reason Hayne did not return to Parramatta was the Eels were unwilling to go as high as the Gold Coast offer.

Yet it failed at the Gold Coast. Hayne arrived with much fanfare, a hefty thirdparty sponsorship and the goodwill of an entire code.

Privately, coach Neil Henry was worried – and rightfully so – even telling the club.

For a while, both tried to make it work but it soon began to unravel. Hayne was the wrong fit, Henry unable to find the key to getting him going.

Yes-men and enablers, telling him he was right.

It began with Hayne shortchanging his teammates. Small things, where Hayne behaved as if he should be treated differently from his teammates.

The Titans trained hard and, when it got too hard, Hayne would regularly claim he needed a toilet break. Let them do all the running.

Henry fought hard to teach Hayne humility and sacrifice, all for the good of the team, but the friction only grew.

Once the brawl erupted publicly, the Titans, under NRL management at the time, showed the same weakness that was always surrounding Hayne and they sacked Henry. They sided with talent. It was a well trodden formula.

Yesterday, two of his former teammates, Tony Williams and Krisnan Inu, attacked the victim and the decision on social media. Williams was immediately sacked by the club he was about to join.

Trace it through his Eels coaches and there is a litany of them brought undone by their superstar player, the man who never heard the word “no”.

And to think they nearly got it right in the beginning. As Brian Smith was fighting to save his job in 2006 – the Eels 2-7 after 10 rounds including the bye – some around Smith urged him to pick the kid called Hayne. The quick fix. Yet even with his job in jeopardy, Smith refused. Hayne needed to learn what it was to be a professional. Then Smith was sacked before Round 11 and Jason Taylor was promoted to interim coach. By the weekend, Taylor had Hayne on the wing and he would go on to win the Dally M rookie of the year. Talent was enough at the time but, as time showed, it came at the cost of a whole lot more.

rhino wrote on May 7^th, 2021 at 2:41pm:


Who said anything about liking women violently struggling& saying no nor your assumption & implication that I do?

She wasn't saying no when she allowed him to go down on her & he first started giving her oral & digital sex.....

she said "no" in the middle of that after she heard the taxi honking the horn.

For that sexual action to occur she must have been naked & allowed it to start.

I do not condon rape you pharking pillock.