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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #180 - Oct 29^th, 2021 at 10:22am

Many business functions create unemployment - if a business is unwilling to accept the cost of being monitored for doing things the right way, they should simply do things the right way.

No business that was totally honest and above board would be in the least concerned over a Union checking on them to see they comply with the rules, and no business would have its employment level altered by the existence of a union.

Think how much money these get-rich-quick developers who go bust just as the project finishes and skip town owing millions while living the gold-plated lifestyle would save not arguing endlessly with the unions.

Poor management is the most common cause of unemployment, along with poor government policy-making and regulation enforcement, piss poor legal rights for workers, and the simple inability of most managements to handle a corner store..... look how many of them go broke... hardly the fault of Unions or workers.

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Reply #181 - Oct 29^th, 2021 at 10:31am

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No business that was totally honest and above board would be in the least concerned over a Union checking on them to see they comply with the rules, and no business would have its employment level altered by the existence of a union.

What if the unions somehow increased the cost of hiring people? Could that affect the number of people they hire?

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #182 - Oct 29^th, 2021 at 5:39pm

freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2021 at 10:31am:

What if the unions somehow increased the cost of hiring people? Could that affect the number of people they hire?

depends on whether you think businesses hire people to do work that needs doing

or whether you think business will hire more people then they need just because they're on a discounted rate

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #183 - Oct 29^th, 2021 at 8:10pm

freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2021 at 10:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29^th, 2021 at 10:14am:

freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2021 at 10:12am:

Greg what do you think happens when the price of something gets pushed up by the actions of unions or government intervention?

Would you say that the unions share your wilful ignorance of microeconomics?

As I said before, the onus is on you to prove your claim.

Thus far, you have not managed to do that.

I don't need to prove anything if you are too scared to disagree with what I say. That was, after all, the point I was making.

Yes, you do. You made the point. You prove it.

It is not the responsibility of others to disprove it. That is the burden of proof fallacy.

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #184 - Oct 30^th, 2021 at 8:44am

John Smith wrote on Oct 29^th, 2021 at 5:39pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2021 at 10:31am:

What if the unions somehow increased the cost of hiring people? Could that affect the number of people they hire?

depends on whether you think businesses hire people to do work that needs doing

or whether you think business will hire more people then they need just because they're on a discounted rate

Would you like to try answering the question John? Or do you actually think the answer depends on what I think?

Bam wrote on Oct 29^th, 2021 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2021 at 10:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29^th, 2021 at 10:14am:

freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2021 at 10:12am:

Greg what do you think happens when the price of something gets pushed up by the actions of unions or government intervention?

Would you say that the unions share your wilful ignorance of microeconomics?

As I said before, the onus is on you to prove your claim.

Thus far, you have not managed to do that.

I don't need to prove anything if you are too scared to disagree with what I say. That was, after all, the point I was making.

Yes, you do. You made the point. You prove it.

It is not the responsibility of others to disprove it. That is the burden of proof fallacy.

Let's see if anyone disagrees with me first. John is still working up the courage.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #185 - Oct 30^th, 2021 at 11:53am freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 8:44am: Would you like to try answering the question John? I did answer the question fd .... and yes, I do think the answer you want depends on what you think Now, I answered your question, how about you let me know which of the two scenarios I put up do you agree with the most?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53052 At my desk.	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #186 - Oct 30^th, 2021 at 12:08pm Quote: and yes, I do think the answer you want depends on what you think Can you explain how what I think changes the effect that wages have on the number of people businesses hire? Is this some kind of weird union economics where you replace reality with your imagination?
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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #187 - Oct 30^th, 2021 at 2:04pm

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 12:08pm:

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and yes, I do think the answer you want depends on what you think

Can you explain how what I think changes the effect that wages have on the number of people businesses hire? Is this some kind of weird union economics where you replace reality with your imagination?

care to answer my question?

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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #188 - Oct 30^th, 2021 at 2:16pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 2:04pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 12:08pm:

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and yes, I do think the answer you want depends on what you think

Can you explain how what I think changes the effect that wages have on the number of people businesses hire? Is this some kind of weird union economics where you replace reality with your imagination?

care to answer my question?

Not if it makes no sense.

Can you explain how what I think changes the effect that wages have on the number of people businesses hire? Is this some kind of weird union economics where you replace reality with your imagination?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #189 - Oct 30^th, 2021 at 2:17pm then run away like you usually do
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53052 At my desk.	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #190 - Oct 30^th, 2021 at 2:18pm I encourage you to attempt to make sense. Can you explain how what I think changes the effect that wages have on the number of people businesses hire? Is this some kind of weird union economics where you replace reality with your imagination?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #191 - Oct 30^th, 2021 at 2:19pm either answer my question, or piss off. The choice is yours.
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 23387 ACT Gender:	Re: Unions create unemployment Reply #192 - Oct 30^th, 2021 at 3:06pm John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 2:19pm: either answer my question, or piss off. The choice is yours. Oh dear! Another insult...how clever! Or fvuuuucking stupid some might say!
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Re: Unions create unemployment
Reply #193 - Oct 30^th, 2021 at 3:12pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 2:19pm:

either answer my question, or piss off. The choice is yours.

I already did. The answer was no. You obviously didn't like it.

Can you explain how what I think changes the effect that wages have on the number of people businesses hire? Is this some kind of weird union economics where you replace reality with your imagination?

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Competition creates unemployment?
Reply #194 - Oct 30^th, 2021 at 5:24pm

What's next? Unhygienic working conditions create unemployment?

"Since the new retailer [Aldi] has come to WA, competition has been really fierce and I think the price of bananas have been bastardised and sold below the cost of production," [Tony Galati] told ABC Rural.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2017-04-21/tony-galati-walks-away-from-ord-irr...

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