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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	CO2 levels during coronavirus May 17^th, 2020 at 9:30am The natural emissions eclipse anything man sends up into the atmosphere. Even with all the shut downs there are hardly any differences because natural CO2 eclipses man's emissions. https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/
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Reply #1 - May 17^th, 2020 at 9:50am

Gone beyond the tipping point and the fact that once CO2 is there, it stays there - unless it's been converted or 'slowly' re-absorbed by the planet's filters. Take many centuries to re-absorb the CO2 out of the atmosphere - even with Scientific help.

Science has ruined this Planet. Just selfishly used for Super Power nations gain.

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Reply #2 - May 17^th, 2020 at 9:56am

Jasin wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 9:50am:

Gone beyond the tipping point and the fact that once CO2 is there, it stays there - unless it's been converted or 'slowly' re-absorbed by the planet's filters. Take many centuries to re-absorb the CO2 out of the atmosphere - even with Scientific help.

Science has ruined this Planet. Just selfishly used for Super Power nations gain.

Today we have about 416 ppm of atmospheric CO2.

What the con artists don't tell you is that it is still one of the lowest atmospheric CO2 levels in our recorded history.

We have had as much as 7000ppm and the Earth's sinks took care of it.

IMO deforestation is the worst thing that can happen for atmospheric CO2 levels, natural and man made.

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Reply #3 - May 17^th, 2020 at 10:23am

Oh yes. But humans couldn't possibly survive in those periods many millions of years ago and for millions of years in duration.
So even if Global Warming was 'natural' - could we live in a world that was much hotter, much wetter or worse, drier??
A world where the atmosphere was packed with more CO2 and Methane?

...would we then try to 'change nature' on a more serious level than just toxic pollutants (human 'fart' clouds) to save 'fragile' Humanity?

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Reply #4 - May 17^th, 2020 at 10:27am

Jasin wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 10:23am:

Oh yes. But humans couldn't possibly survive in those periods many millions of years ago and for millions of years in duration.
So even if Global Warming was 'natural' - could we live in a world that was much hotter, much wetter or worse, drier??
A world where the atmosphere was packed with more CO2 and Methane?

...would we then try to 'change nature' on a more serious level than just toxic pollutants (human 'fart' clouds) to save 'fragile' Humanity?

Do you understand the percentage of atmospheric CO2 these people want to mitigate.....?

The elite want to create a cash cow on the stock exchange so they can create money out of nothing, like they have been doing for the last 40 odd years or so.

Do you know the CO2 levels in a submarine.....?!

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Reply #5 - May 17^th, 2020 at 10:37am

Have a look at the famous Dave Shaw death from CO2 filmed by an early 'Go-Pro' gizmo forced on him by the Media (that funded the dive) and ultimately became the problem of his death because it caught everything up.
He used a Mk15.5 with Juergensen Marine Hammerhead electronics and the following gas mixtures: trimix 4/80, 10/70, 15/55, 17/40, 26/25, air, nitrox50, 100% oxygen. The cave elevation was 1,550 metres (5,090 ft) and the dive duration was 9 hours 40 minutes.[2]

On this record-breaking dive, Shaw discovered the body of Deon Dreyer, a South African diver who had died in Bushman's Hole ten years previously. The body was at a depth of 270 metres (890 ft).[3][4]
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dave+shaw+diver+death&&view=detail&mid=705C...
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Reply #6 - May 17^th, 2020 at 10:42am

Jasin wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 10:37am:

Have a look at the famous Dave Shaw death from CO2 filmed by an early 'Go-Pro' gizmo forced on him by the Media (that funded the dive) and ultimately became the problem of his death because it caught everything up.
He used a Mk15.5 with Juergensen Marine Hammerhead electronics and the following gas mixtures: trimix 4/80, 10/70, 15/55, 17/40, 26/25, air, nitrox50, 100% oxygen. The cave elevation was 1,550 metres (5,090 ft) and the dive duration was 9 hours 40 minutes.[2]

On this record-breaking dive, Shaw discovered the body of Deon Dreyer, a South African diver who had died in Bushman's Hole ten years previously. The body was at a depth of 270 metres (890 ft).[3][4]
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dave+shaw+diver+death&&view=detail&mid=705C...

Air is composed of

1. 78% Nitrogen

2. 21% oxygen

3. 1% the rest

BUT

If you breathe pure oxygen or pure nitrogen both will be deadly.

Why should CO2 be any different...?

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Reply #7 - May 17^th, 2020 at 11:06am

Ajax wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 9:30am:

The natural emissions eclipse anything man sends up into the atmosphere.

Even with all the shut downs there are hardly any differences because natural CO2 eclipses man's emissions.

https://i.ibb.co/74ZSZgN/co2levels2020.jpg

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/

Once again you show your complete lack of understanding of the carbon cycle Wink

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Reply #8 - May 17^th, 2020 at 11:32am

The_Barnacle wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 11:06am:

Ajax wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 9:30am:

The natural emissions eclipse anything man sends up into the atmosphere.

Even with all the shut downs there are hardly any differences because natural CO2 eclipses man's emissions.

https://i.ibb.co/74ZSZgN/co2levels2020.jpg

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/

Once again you show your complete lack of understanding of the carbon cycle Wink

In your opinion................ Wink

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Reply #9 - May 17^th, 2020 at 11:44am

Ajax wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 11:32am:

The_Barnacle wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 11:06am:

Ajax wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 9:30am:

The natural emissions eclipse anything man sends up into the atmosphere.

Even with all the shut downs there are hardly any differences because natural CO2 eclipses man's emissions.

https://i.ibb.co/74ZSZgN/co2levels2020.jpg

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/

Once again you show your complete lack of understanding of the carbon cycle Wink

In your opinion................ Wink

No it is a fact. You have proven many times that you don't understand the natural cycle and how human emissions are ADDITIONAL emissions.

Let me explain it this way. If you got paid $1,000 a week and you also spent $1,000 a week your bank balance would stay the same.

Now lets say that every week I start putting 1c into your account as well. It is a tiny "trace" amount of money, you probably wouldn't even notice it to start with. But over the years your bank balance would start to grow. And it would be growing purely because of the 1c I was putting in your account every week

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Reply #10 - May 17^th, 2020 at 12:12pm

Ajax wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 9:56am:

We have had as much as 7000ppm and the Earth's sinks took care of it.

You're right, we have nothing to worry about. All we have to do is survive on a hothouse Earth for a few millennia while that carbon gets buried again.

It'll be an adventure, like living in Asimov's Caves of Steel!

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Reply #11 - May 17^th, 2020 at 12:22pm

The "natural" level of atmospheric CO₂ has not been over 300 PPM for yonks. Humans have not experienced this level of CO₂ pollution until now. the industrial revolution changed all that.

The issue has nothing to do with whether or not Humans can survive in high CO₂ environments per se ... obviously they can as climate change deniers love to trot out the old submarine environment example ...

Rather, the issue is all about Global Warming caused by high CO₂ levels. That change to the environment is the problem.

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Reply #12 - May 17^th, 2020 at 1:54pm

Captain Nemo wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 12:22pm:

The "natural" level of atmospheric CO2 has not been over 300 PPM for yonks. Humans have not experienced this level of CO2 pollution until now. the industrial revolution changed all that.

CO2 is not pollution it is plant food.

What is the ideal, in your view, level of CO2?

At what level have humans existed? With references?

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16703 Melbourne Gender:	Re: CO2 levels during coronavirus Reply #13 - May 17^th, 2020 at 2:05pm Does the ice-core data show atmospheric CO₂ concentration being above 300 PPM going back 800,000 years? Anyone? ... Anyone? ... The ice-core data does NOT show CO₂ atmospheric concentration being above 300 PPM going back 800,000 years.
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Reply #14 - May 17^th, 2020 at 2:10pm

Robot wrote on May 17^th, 2020 at 12:12pm:

All we have to do is survive on a hothouse Earth for a few millennia while that carbon gets buried again.

What temperatures is this supposed hothouse earth? Especially given temperature increase decreases as CO2 increases logarithmically.

Given we had "global cooling" from the fifties to the seventies at a time of increasing CO2 - how do you explain that? The "climate scientists seance-tists" tell us natural variation can't be the reason, because it can't be the reason now.

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