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Re: Pell walks
Reply #45 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:18pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:12pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 1:36pm:

Forget anyone coming forward with anything now though

Well, that will be interesting. They have had the Royal Commission. Pell named. Pell charged...tried many times...ultimately acquitted. Reckon it is time to forget prosecuting Pell. Several shots have been taken. All missed. Move on.

Maybe but my point still stands. Its basically a yep, make sure there are no witnesses you'll get away with anything.

Not true. Physical evidence has convicted many. With or without a witness. In Pell's case there was no physical evidence.

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Re: Pell walks
Reply #46 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 11:37am:

Yadda wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 11:29am:

Good decision.

Yadda said....

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IMO, Pell's conviction was fundamentally unsafe.

No person should be convicted in a court of law, in Australia, on the evidence accusation of ONE witness.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1551687942/5#5

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1565844268/19#19

It was one person's word against another's.

Very strange.

Pell didn't give evidence.

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Re: Pell walks
Reply #47 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:23pm

crocodile wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:18pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:12pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 1:36pm:

Forget anyone coming forward with anything now though

Well, that will be interesting. They have had the Royal Commission. Pell named. Pell charged...tried many times...ultimately acquitted. Reckon it is time to forget prosecuting Pell. Several shots have been taken. All missed. Move on.

Maybe but my point still stands. Its basically a yep, make sure there are no witnesses you'll get away with anything.

Not true. Physical evidence has convicted many. With or without a witness. In Pell's case there was no physical evidence.

OK, so can I clarify then, make sure theres no physical evidence, no witnesses, get away with anything. EAnd my point about this whole decision putting doubt in anyones mind wishing to come forward with allegations still stands.

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Re: Pell walks
Reply #48 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:29pm

crocodile wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 11:37am:

Yadda wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 11:29am:

Good decision.

Yadda said....

Quote:

IMO, Pell's conviction was fundamentally unsafe.

No person should be convicted in a court of law, in Australia, on the evidence accusation of ONE witness.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1551687942/5#5

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1565844268/19#19

It was one person's word against another's.

Very strange.

Pell didn't give evidence.

There's a 42 minute video of him being interviewed by police in which he denies everything.

Plus, he pleaded not guilty.

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Re: Pell walks
Reply #49 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:30pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:23pm:

crocodile wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:18pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:12pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 1:36pm:

Forget anyone coming forward with anything now though

Well, that will be interesting. They have had the Royal Commission. Pell named. Pell charged...tried many times...ultimately acquitted. Reckon it is time to forget prosecuting Pell. Several shots have been taken. All missed. Move on.

Maybe but my point still stands. Its basically a yep, make sure there are no witnesses you'll get away with anything.

Not true. Physical evidence has convicted many. With or without a witness. In Pell's case there was no physical evidence.

OK, so can I clarify then, make sure theres no physical evidence, no witnesses, get away with anything. EAnd my point about this whole decision putting doubt in anyones mind wishing to come forward with allegations still stands.

That's the way it is. All unsolved murders and every other crime are fine examples. The case has always needed to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. It wasn't, 7 judges and Justice Weinberg agreed.

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Re: Pell walks
Reply #50 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:32pm

crocodile wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 11:37am:

Yadda wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 11:29am:

Good decision.

Yadda said....

Quote:

IMO, Pell's conviction was fundamentally unsafe.

No person should be convicted in a court of law, in Australia, on the evidence accusation of ONE witness.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1551687942/5#5

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1565844268/19#19

It was one person's word against another's.

Very strange.

Pell didn't give evidence.

Rubbish. He did at the Royal Commission.

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Re: Pell walks
Reply #51 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:33pm

crocodile wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:30pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:23pm:

crocodile wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:18pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:12pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 1:36pm:

Forget anyone coming forward with anything now though

Well, that will be interesting. They have had the Royal Commission. Pell named. Pell charged...tried many times...ultimately acquitted. Reckon it is time to forget prosecuting Pell. Several shots have been taken. All missed. Move on.

Maybe but my point still stands. Its basically a yep, make sure there are no witnesses you'll get away with anything.

Not true. Physical evidence has convicted many. With or without a witness. In Pell's case there was no physical evidence.

OK, so can I clarify then, make sure theres no physical evidence, no witnesses, get away with anything. EAnd my point about this whole decision putting doubt in anyones mind wishing to come forward with allegations still stands.

That's the way it is. All unsolved murders and every other crime are fine examples. The case has always needed to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. It wasn't, 7 judges and Justice Weinberg agreed.

ANd the jury and 3 judges didnt, AS I said forget anyone coming forward now.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #53 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:42pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:12pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 1:36pm:

Forget anyone coming forward with anything now though

Well, that will be interesting. They have had the Royal Commission. Pell named. Pell charged...tried many times...ultimately acquitted. Reckon it is time to forget prosecuting Pell. Several shots have been taken. All missed. Move on.

Maybe but my point still stands. Its basically a yep, make sure there are no witnesses you'll get away with anything.

dna has made a huge difference... I wouldnt take no witness as an example of getting away with anything...

how many priests have been charged with sexual abuse since the Catholic Church as paid compensation???????...not old... but new cases of abuse?.....that has to be important as well...have any priests been moved on over and over again as they did years ago??????...

if it has stopped that has got to be a good thing...

I am sure many children that have experienced anything like this would now know they have help and would speak up much quicker than they did in the past...

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Re: Pell walks
Reply #54 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:44pm

crocodile wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:30pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:23pm:

crocodile wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:18pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:12pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 1:36pm:

Forget anyone coming forward with anything now though

Well, that will be interesting. They have had the Royal Commission. Pell named. Pell charged...tried many times...ultimately acquitted. Reckon it is time to forget prosecuting Pell. Several shots have been taken. All missed. Move on.

Maybe but my point still stands. Its basically a yep, make sure there are no witnesses you'll get away with anything.

Not true. Physical evidence has convicted many. With or without a witness. In Pell's case there was no physical evidence.

OK, so can I clarify then, make sure theres no physical evidence, no witnesses, get away with anything. EAnd my point about this whole decision putting doubt in anyones mind wishing to come forward with allegations still stands.

That's the way it is. All unsolved murders and every other crime are fine examples. The case has always needed to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. It wasn't, 7 judges and Justice Weinberg agreed.

exactly and cods wasnt comfortable with the verdict either...

and that has to count for something..

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Re: Pell walks
Reply #55 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:44pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:33pm:

crocodile wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:30pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:23pm:

crocodile wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:18pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:12pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 1:36pm:

Forget anyone coming forward with anything now though

Well, that will be interesting. They have had the Royal Commission. Pell named. Pell charged...tried many times...ultimately acquitted. Reckon it is time to forget prosecuting Pell. Several shots have been taken. All missed. Move on.

Maybe but my point still stands. Its basically a yep, make sure there are no witnesses you'll get away with anything.

Not true. Physical evidence has convicted many. With or without a witness. In Pell's case there was no physical evidence.

OK, so can I clarify then, make sure theres no physical evidence, no witnesses, get away with anything. EAnd my point about this whole decision putting doubt in anyones mind wishing to come forward with allegations still stands.

That's the way it is. All unsolved murders and every other crime are fine examples. The case has always needed to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. It wasn't, 7 judges and Justice Weinberg agreed.

ANd the jury and 3 judges didnt, AS I said forget anyone coming forward now.

You have forgotten the first Jury...who could not reach a verdict. In any event, this is not a numbers game. Pell was wrongfully convicted, plain fact. Beyond reasonable doubt means exactly that. There was ample doubt.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Pell walks Reply #57 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:46pm Aussie wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:45pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:35pm: Also wondering how anyone on the jury now feels. I hope they are feeling considerable regret they failed an innocent man. Or they could be thinking holy bugger did no one see the trial?
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Reply #58 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:49pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:46pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:45pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:35pm:

Also wondering how anyone on the jury now feels.

I hope they are feeling considerable regret they failed an innocent man.

Or they could be thinking holy bugger did no one see the trial?

One man's word against another.

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Reply #59 - Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:49pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:46pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:45pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 7^th, 2020 at 2:35pm:

Also wondering how anyone on the jury now feels.

I hope they are feeling considerable regret they failed an innocent man.

Or they could be thinking holy bugger did no one see the trial?

One man's word against another.

Cheers, thanks for reminding of it. I wasn't in the trial and neither were you.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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