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Reply #348 - Dec 27th, 2019 at 12:24am
 
Don Surber


Tuesday, December 17, 2019
What Trump learned from Watergate


Geoff Shepard graduated from Harvard Law School and spent five years on Nixon’s White House staff, including being deputy counsel on his Watergate defense team. He went on to become a successful Philadelphia lawyer. In retirement, he has gone back to research Watergate. The archives have revealed that Nixon was railroaded.

In American Spectator, Shepard wrote, "There is documented proof of a series of secret meetings between Chief Judge John Sirica and Watergate prosecutors. I don’t know which is the bigger surprise: that they were secretly meeting to resolve issues in advance of trial or that they were documenting their agreements in memos to their files. The mother lode of these documents, improperly removed in 1974 when Jaworski left office, first came to light in 2013 in response to my FOIA requests.

"At one point, Cox became so worried about the sustainability of Judge Sirica’s one-sided rulings in favor of the prosecutors that he feared their conviction verdicts would be overturned on appeal. He secretly approached Chief Appellate Judge David Bazelon to explain how the judicial panels could be stacked to maintain Bazelon’s slim one-vote liberal majority. Sure enough, each of the 12 appeals from Sirica’s criminal trials was heard by the full nine-judge appellate court, sitting en banc — a circumstance unprecedented in any federal appellate court anywhere in the country, before or since."

Archibald Cox in retrospect made Jimmy the Weasel Comey look honest.

The deep state won.

Shepard wrote, "It should have come as no surprise that Cox delegated the Watergate Special Prosecution Force recruiting to James Vorenberg, a fellow law professor who had taught criminal law. Vorenberg hired only people whom he knew or who were recommended by people he knew, and he assembled a specially selected team of some 70 lawyers, virtually all Ivy League graduates, the top 17 of whom had worked together in the Kennedy/Johnson Department of Justice. Readers should note the constitutional inversion here: these were the very people voted out of office with Nixon’s 1968 election, now in control of the government’s investigative and prosecutorial powers. Vorenberg announced at their first press conference in June 1973 their intent to investigate each and every allegation of wrongdoing by the Nixon administration since it had assumed office some five years prior."

Sound familiar?

That is why this will not happen again, or at least not to President Donald John Trump. He learned the lesson of Watergate.

We said of Sarah Palin, we cannot spare her; she fights. Donald Trump does not simply fight; he wins.

He was in his 20s when he beat the deep state the first time. Nixon's HUD sued him in its administrative court, hoping to coerce an admission of guilt. Trump's lawyer -- the commie-beating Roy Cohn -- advised him to take HUD to real court. 2 years later, the charges were dropped.

45 years later, Newsweek was still butt hurt over it, reporting, "In 1973 — a decade after the Civil Rights Act, and five years after the Fair Housing Act — the Department of Justice sued Trump Management for its discriminatory practices, which activist groups had meticulously recorded for years, according to the New York Times. Trump and his father, who were both named as defendants, responded by accusing the Department of Justice of defamation, and filing a $100 million countersuit. The messy legal battle ended with the Trumps signing a consent decree, an agreement that allows both parties to end a dispute without admitting fault."

By messy legal battle, Newsweek meant HUD could not prove its accusations.

President Trump learned from President Nixon's mishandling of the press.

On Sunday, Nicholas Kristof of the Carlos Slim New York Times wrote, "After the Watergate break-in, there was no immediate epiphany about its seriousness. Nixon was re-elected that fall by a huge margin. A year later, more Americans said they were more concerned by Chappaquiddick (where a young woman in Edward Kennedy’s car drowned) than by Watergate. It wasn’t until just before Nixon’s resignation that a majority favored his removal from office."

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The public was correct the first time. Ted Kennedy drove drunk over a bridge, swam to safety, and left a woman to die. His family's money kept him out of prison. Nixon's team had bungled an attempt to bug the DNC chairman's phone.

But after a year of propaganda by the media and Democrats, the public fell for the Democrat lies. Kennedy somehow became the victim. And he never had to give up drunk driving. Always bear in mind, the Germans were the best-educated people in the world when they fell for Nazism.

President Trump has undercut the power of the press by using social media and the like to get his message out unfiltered. After Donald Trump whupped him and Hillary in 2016, Obama labeled social media Fake News. President Trump then took that phrase and applied it to the anti-Trump media on TV and in the newspapers. (Yes, they still make those.)

Donald Trump prepared for impeachment all along. He kept his nose clean and gave Democrats plenty of room to hang themselves with the Mueller Report. And they did. They had one shot at President Trump and Russian collusion was the shot they decided to take.

https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2019/12/what-trump-learned-from-watergate.html?sp...

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Reply #349 - Dec 27th, 2019 at 7:22am
 
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Reply #350 - Dec 27th, 2019 at 5:56pm
 


Dems Tell Pelosi to Delay Senate Trial of Trump Forever as a Pocket Veto Impeachment


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/26/pelosis-best-move-might-be-to-keep-impeachment-i...

Pelosi’s best move might be to keep impeachment in her pocket and not send it to the Senate


PUBLISHED THU, DEC 26 20198:00 AM ESTUPDATED THU, DEC 26 201911:32 AM EST
John Ellis, editor of online publication News Items

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Reply #351 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:00am
 
The Senate comes back in session in the next few days

Lets see if this Politico Article quoted here can be executed ..



Mitch McConnel can Legally Start Senate Trial without Articles from the House
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Reply #352 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:20am
 
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2020/01/02/why-holding-the-impeach...

POLITICO Playbook: Why holding the impeachment articles might not matter



By JAKE SHERMAN and ANNA PALMER  01/02/2020 08:55 AM EST Updated 01/02/2020 09:17 AM EST

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell may not need House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to send over the ariticles of impeachment in order to hold a trial. | J. Scott Applewhite/AP Photo

SENATE MAJORITY LEADER MITCH MCCONNELL can actually conduct an impeachment trial even if Pelosi never sends the articles, should he choose, many people in the Capitol and legal community believe. Congress returns next week.

ELI HONIG, a former federal prosecutor and CNN analyst, described it this way when Jake appeared with him on SiriusXM the other day: The Constitution stipulates other instances when things must be “transmitted” to the Senate -- such as the ratified results of the electoral college vote. It never says anything like that when it comes to impeachment. So, McConnell can hold a trial without the articles. The majority leader has been mum about his intentions thus far, but has said that impeachment will lead to acquittal -- something nearly all Capitol watchers believe.

HERE’S WHAT YOU SHOULD WATCH for in the coming weeks: The senators who have expressed some level of discomfort with the impeachment process and McConnell have not laid out firm demands. If they say something like, “We will oppose the rules for any impeachment trial that doesn’t include X,” that will be something you should pay attention to. Discomfort is a feeling, not a strategy or demand.
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Reply #353 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:23am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:00am:
The Senate comes back in session in the next few days

Lets see if this Politico Article quoted here can be executed ..



Mitch McConnel can Legally Start Senate Trial without Articles from the House


I told you that as soon as I looked at the wording in the constitution. Why listen to this idiot who has no idea what he is talking about on this topic and is flat out wrong or lying about other things.

This B J Wanker or whatever his name is even missed out on telling you about one of the most critical problems with running the senate trial without the papers, the reason that they are not allowed to do it.

I suspect he didn't tell you because he doesn't know what he is talking about - though that normally doesn't stop him with other things.

Good old H R puff N Stuff does not know that Senate rules make it essential for the papers to be received by the senate before an trial can take place. The senate can change those rules but it is a time consuming process.
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Reply #354 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:26am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:23am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:00am:
The Senate comes back in session in the next few days

Lets see if this Politico Article quoted here can be executed ..



Mitch McConnel can Legally Start Senate Trial without Articles from the House


I told you that as soon as I looked at the wording in the constitution. Why listen to this idiot who has no idea what he is talking about on this topic and is flat out wrong or lying about other things.

This B J Wanker or whatever his name is even missed out on telling you about one of the most critical problems with running the senate trial without the papers, the reason that they are not allowed to do it.

I suspect he didn't tell you because he doesn't know what he is talking about - though that normally doesn't stop him with other things.

Good old H R puff N Stuff does not know that Senate rules make it essential for the papers to be received by the senate before an trial can take place. The senate can change those rules but it is a time consuming process.


As usual you did not read the article sited in Politico ..

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2020/01/02/why-holding-the-impeach...

Try and read then comment , you will look less foolish and ignorant ,

Yet either way be at peace  Smiley
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Reply #355 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:57am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:26am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:23am:
I told you that as soon as I looked at the wording in the constitution. Why listen to this idiot who has no idea what he is talking about on this topic and is flat out wrong or lying about other things.

This B J Wanker or whatever his name is even missed out on telling you about one of the most critical problems with running the senate trial without the papers, the reason that they are not allowed to do it.

I suspect he didn't tell you because he doesn't know what he is talking about - though that normally doesn't stop him with other things.

Good old H R puff N Stuff does not know that Senate rules make it essential for the papers to be received by the senate before an trial can take place. The senate can change those rules but it is a time consuming process.


As usual you did not read the article sited in Politico ..

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2020/01/02/why-holding-the-impeach...

Try and read then comment , you will look less foolish and ignorant ,

Yet either way be at peace  Smiley


Digging the hole deeper does not assist your cause - Having 2 sources that left out or do not know that the senate has its own rules makes the error or omission no better. Here is the senate Rules that also need bo considered.

Fact is that the senate have their own rules which are dependant on the house delivering the impeachment articles to allow a trial to commence. They can change this given time and effort.

You were wrong before - now you are more wrong.

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RULES OF PROCEDURE AND PRACTICE IN
THE SENATE WHEN SITTING ON IMPEACHMENT TRIALS

[Revised pursuant to S. Res. 479, 99–2, Aug. 16, 1986]

I.
Whensoever the Senate shall receive notice from the 170
House of Representatives that managers are appointed on their part to conduct an impeachment against any person and are directed to carry articles of impeachment to the Senate, the Secretary of the Senate shall immediately inform the House of Representatives that the Senate is ready to receive the managers for the purpose of exhibiting such articles of impeachment,
agreeably to such notice........


III. Upon such articles being presented to the Senate, 172 the Senate shall, at 1 o’clock afternoon of the day (Sunday excepted) following such presentation, or sooner if ordered by the Senate, proceed to the consideration of such articles and shall continue in session from day to day (Sundays
excepted) after the trial shall commence
(unless otherwise ordered by the Senate) until final judgment shall be rendered, and so much longer as may, in its judgment, be needful. Before proceeding to the consideration of the articles of impeachment
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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #356 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 10:02am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:57am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:26am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:23am:
I told you that as soon as I looked at the wording in the constitution. Why listen to this idiot who has no idea what he is talking about on this topic and is flat out wrong or lying about other things.

This B J Wanker or whatever his name is even missed out on telling you about one of the most critical problems with running the senate trial without the papers, the reason that they are not allowed to do it.

I suspect he didn't tell you because he doesn't know what he is talking about - though that normally doesn't stop him with other things.

Good old H R puff N Stuff does not know that Senate rules make it essential for the papers to be received by the senate before an trial can take place. The senate can change those rules but it is a time consuming process.


As usual you did not read the article sited in Politico ..

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2020/01/02/why-holding-the-impeach...

Try and read then comment , you will look less foolish and ignorant ,

Yet either way be at peace  Smiley


Digging the hole deeper does not assist your cause - Having 2 sources that left out or do not know that the senate has its own rules makes the error or omission no better. Here is the senate Rules that also need bo considered.

Fact is that the senate have their own rules which are dependant on the house delivering the impeachment articles to allow a trial to commence. They can change this given time and effort.

You were wrong before - now you are more wrong.

Quote:
RULES OF PROCEDURE AND PRACTICE IN
THE SENATE WHEN SITTING ON IMPEACHMENT TRIALS

[Revised pursuant to S. Res. 479, 99–2, Aug. 16, 1986]

I.
Whensoever the Senate shall receive notice from the 170
House of Representatives that managers are appointed on their part to conduct an impeachment against any person and are directed to carry articles of impeachment to the Senate, the Secretary of the Senate shall immediately inform the House of Representatives that the Senate is ready to receive the managers for the purpose of exhibiting such articles of impeachment,
agreeably to such notice........


III. Upon such articles being presented to the Senate, 172 the Senate shall, at 1 o’clock afternoon of the day (Sunday excepted) following such presentation, or sooner if ordered by the Senate, proceed to the consideration of such articles and shall continue in session from day to day (Sundays
excepted) after the trial shall commence
(unless otherwise ordered by the Senate) until final judgment shall be rendered, and so much longer as may, in its judgment, be needful. Before proceeding to the consideration of the articles of impeachment



This scribble is saved and will be rubbed in your face very soon  Smiley
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Reply #357 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 1:34pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 10:02am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:57am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:26am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 9:23am:
I told you that as soon as I looked at the wording in the constitution. Why listen to this idiot who has no idea what he is talking about on this topic and is flat out wrong or lying about other things.

This B J Wanker or whatever his name is even missed out on telling you about one of the most critical problems with running the senate trial without the papers, the reason that they are not allowed to do it.

I suspect he didn't tell you because he doesn't know what he is talking about - though that normally doesn't stop him with other things.

Good old H R puff N Stuff does not know that Senate rules make it essential for the papers to be received by the senate before an trial can take place. The senate can change those rules but it is a time consuming process.


As usual you did not read the article sited in Politico ..

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2020/01/02/why-holding-the-impeach...

Try and read then comment , you will look less foolish and ignorant ,

Yet either way be at peace  Smiley


Digging the hole deeper does not assist your cause - Having 2 sources that left out or do not know that the senate has its own rules makes the error or omission no better. Here is the senate Rules that also need bo considered.

Fact is that the senate have their own rules which are dependant on the house delivering the impeachment articles to allow a trial to commence. They can change this given time and effort.

You were wrong before - now you are more wrong.

Quote:
RULES OF PROCEDURE AND PRACTICE IN
THE SENATE WHEN SITTING ON IMPEACHMENT TRIALS

[Revised pursuant to S. Res. 479, 99–2, Aug. 16, 1986]

I.
Whensoever the Senate shall receive notice from the 170
House of Representatives that managers are appointed on their part to conduct an impeachment against any person and are directed to carry articles of impeachment to the Senate, the Secretary of the Senate shall immediately inform the House of Representatives that the Senate is ready to receive the managers for the purpose of exhibiting such articles of impeachment,
agreeably to such notice........


III. Upon such articles being presented to the Senate, 172 the Senate shall, at 1 o’clock afternoon of the day (Sunday excepted) following such presentation, or sooner if ordered by the Senate, proceed to the consideration of such articles and shall continue in session from day to day (Sundays
excepted) after the trial shall commence
(unless otherwise ordered by the Senate) until final judgment shall be rendered, and so much longer as may, in its judgment, be needful. Before proceeding to the consideration of the articles of impeachment


RULES OF PROCEDURE AND PRACTICE IN
THE SENATE WHEN SITTING ON IMPEACHMENT TRIALS
[Revised pursuant to S. Res. 479, 99–2, Aug. 16, 1986]


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Quote:
RULES OF PROCEDURE AND PRACTICE IN
THE SENATE WHEN SITTING ON IMPEACHMENT TRIALS
[Revised pursuant to S. Res. 479, 99–2, Aug. 16, 1986]


I guess you don't like the US senate rules on impeachment ?

Feel free to tell me that I was right once again when you like and not Quote:
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Reply #359 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 2:39pm
 
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/476382-five-fights-awaiting-congress-in-2020

Five fights awaiting Congress in 2020


BY JORDAIN CARNEY - 01/02/20 06:00 AM EST

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Congress is set to return to a laundry list of divisive fights looming over its 2020 agenda when both chambers reconvene in the coming days.

Lawmakers will have to balance the Trump impeachment trial, which will suck up much of the oxygen in January, with several key legislative deadlines.

The balancing act will also take place amid the run-up to the 2020 election, with presidential politics increasingly seeping into congressional negotiations.

Here are five fights to watch in 2020.

Impeachment



The months-long impeachment fight is shifting to the Senate, where the chamber left for the holiday recess without a deal on rules for the trial, including a start date and whether any witnesses will be called.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) threw a curveball into the timeline by declining to say when she will send over the two articles of impeachment,

though senators say they nonetheless expect the trial to commence in January.


Once impeachment is on the Senate floor, all other legislative business will likely be put on hold. Senators are expected to conduct trial proceedings six days a week, a schedule that promises to consume much if not all of January’s floor calendar.

With 67 votes needed to convict Trump, the outcome of the proceeding is all but guaranteed in the GOP-controlled chamber, where Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has pledged to be in “total coordination” with the White House.

But Democrats are hoping to win over a handful of Republicans on their request for Ukraine-related documents and witnesses at the trial. They would need four GOP senators to break ranks to successfully call a witness for trial testimony.

“So far, neither Sen. McConnell, nor any Republican senator, has articulated a single good reason why the trial shouldn’t have these witnesses or these documents,” Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) told reporters this week during a press conference.

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