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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #435 - Jan 21^st, 2020 at 11:16am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:19am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:06am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 9:39am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 7:28am:

But trump is charismatic and entertaining

Surely Hillary is more charismatic though.

How else do you explain the absolute thumping he received in the popular poll?

(For the record, I think both of them are totally devoid of charisma).

Oh definitely this could be the case
Hilary might be the super bowl in terms of ratings
Trump might be the Wimbledon final

But let's face it Elizabeth Warren and Joe biden
In terms of being a ratings success
They are more like the Parramatta under 13 soccer team
Being broadcast at 2 a.m. on SBS

That's a subjective point of view.

I don't find any of the people mentioned charismatic.

Not one of them.

However, I can tolerate seeing Biden or Warren on my TV screen - I don't immediately change stations.

When Trump and Clinton come on though, I can't change the channel fast enough.

Clinton is as charismatic as a dried up dog turd, yet she demolished Trump in the popular vote by 3,000,000 votes.

How bad does that make Trump?

That's my point - you keep saying that Trump is charismatic and well liked, but all the evidence proves otherwise.

The evidence always proves otherwise, dear.

This is of course where aqua changes the topic and says "Well, Trump is the President and that's all that matters".
Just forget he ever mentioned popularity or charisma.

Are you saying that someone who wins an election is winning at by means other than their popularity and charisma Grin

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greggerypeccary

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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #436 - Jan 21^st, 2020 at 11:23am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 11:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:19am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:06am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 9:39am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 7:28am:

But trump is charismatic and entertaining

Surely Hillary is more charismatic though.

How else do you explain the absolute thumping he received in the popular poll?

(For the record, I think both of them are totally devoid of charisma).

Oh definitely this could be the case
Hilary might be the super bowl in terms of ratings
Trump might be the Wimbledon final

But let's face it Elizabeth Warren and Joe biden
In terms of being a ratings success
They are more like the Parramatta under 13 soccer team
Being broadcast at 2 a.m. on SBS

That's a subjective point of view.

I don't find any of the people mentioned charismatic.

Not one of them.

However, I can tolerate seeing Biden or Warren on my TV screen - I don't immediately change stations.

When Trump and Clinton come on though, I can't change the channel fast enough.

Clinton is as charismatic as a dried up dog turd, yet she demolished Trump in the popular vote by 3,000,000 votes.

How bad does that make Trump?

That's my point - you keep saying that Trump is charismatic and well liked, but all the evidence proves otherwise.

The evidence always proves otherwise, dear.

This is of course where aqua changes the topic and says "Well, Trump is the President and that's all that matters".
Just forget he ever mentioned popularity or charisma.

Are you saying that someone who wins an election is winning at by means other than their popularity and charisma Grin

I'm saying that Hillary is more popular than Trump.

There's undeniable proof of that.

You just refuse to accept it.

Trump supporters always refuse to accept the truth.

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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #437 - Jan 21^st, 2020 at 1:17pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 11:23am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 11:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:19am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:06am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 9:39am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 7:28am:

But trump is charismatic and entertaining

Surely Hillary is more charismatic though.

How else do you explain the absolute thumping he received in the popular poll?

(For the record, I think both of them are totally devoid of charisma).

Oh definitely this could be the case
Hilary might be the super bowl in terms of ratings
Trump might be the Wimbledon final

But let's face it Elizabeth Warren and Joe biden
In terms of being a ratings success
They are more like the Parramatta under 13 soccer team
Being broadcast at 2 a.m. on SBS

That's a subjective point of view.

I don't find any of the people mentioned charismatic.

Not one of them.

However, I can tolerate seeing Biden or Warren on my TV screen - I don't immediately change stations.

When Trump and Clinton come on though, I can't change the channel fast enough.

Clinton is as charismatic as a dried up dog turd, yet she demolished Trump in the popular vote by 3,000,000 votes.

How bad does that make Trump?

That's my point - you keep saying that Trump is charismatic and well liked, but all the evidence proves otherwise.

The evidence always proves otherwise, dear.

This is of course where aqua changes the topic and says "Well, Trump is the President and that's all that matters".
Just forget he ever mentioned popularity or charisma.

Are you saying that someone who wins an election is winning at by means other than their popularity and charisma Grin

I'm saying that Hillary is more popular than Trump.

There's undeniable proof of that.

You just refuse to accept it.

Trump supporters always refuse to accept the truth.

And I'm saying trump is more popular then warren Biden and sanders.

Trump haters always refuse to accept the truth

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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #438 - Jan 21^st, 2020 at 1:23pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 1:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 11:23am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 11:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:19am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:06am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 9:39am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 7:28am:

But trump is charismatic and entertaining

Surely Hillary is more charismatic though.

How else do you explain the absolute thumping he received in the popular poll?

(For the record, I think both of them are totally devoid of charisma).

Oh definitely this could be the case
Hilary might be the super bowl in terms of ratings
Trump might be the Wimbledon final

But let's face it Elizabeth Warren and Joe biden
In terms of being a ratings success
They are more like the Parramatta under 13 soccer team
Being broadcast at 2 a.m. on SBS

That's a subjective point of view.

I don't find any of the people mentioned charismatic.

Not one of them.

However, I can tolerate seeing Biden or Warren on my TV screen - I don't immediately change stations.

When Trump and Clinton come on though, I can't change the channel fast enough.

Clinton is as charismatic as a dried up dog turd, yet she demolished Trump in the popular vote by 3,000,000 votes.

How bad does that make Trump?

That's my point - you keep saying that Trump is charismatic and well liked, but all the evidence proves otherwise.

The evidence always proves otherwise, dear.

This is of course where aqua changes the topic and says "Well, Trump is the President and that's all that matters".
Just forget he ever mentioned popularity or charisma.

Are you saying that someone who wins an election is winning at by means other than their popularity and charisma Grin

I'm saying that Hillary is more popular than Trump.

There's undeniable proof of that.

You just refuse to accept it.

Trump supporters always refuse to accept the truth.

And I'm saying trump is more popular then warren Biden and sanders.

We'll see, after the election.

I suspect you will be wrong, once again.

As I've said (predicted) all along, Trump will win the electoral college (and thus remain POTUS) but I believe he will lose the popular vote (again) by at least 3,000,000 votes.

He's just not as popular with average Americans as you think he is, and that's clearly shown in all polls, and of course, the results of the 2016 election.

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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #439 - Jan 21^st, 2020 at 1:29pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 1:23pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 1:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 11:23am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 11:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:19am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:06am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 9:39am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 7:28am:

But trump is charismatic and entertaining

Surely Hillary is more charismatic though.

How else do you explain the absolute thumping he received in the popular poll?

(For the record, I think both of them are totally devoid of charisma).

Oh definitely this could be the case
Hilary might be the super bowl in terms of ratings
Trump might be the Wimbledon final

But let's face it Elizabeth Warren and Joe biden
In terms of being a ratings success
They are more like the Parramatta under 13 soccer team
Being broadcast at 2 a.m. on SBS

That's a subjective point of view.

I don't find any of the people mentioned charismatic.

Not one of them.

However, I can tolerate seeing Biden or Warren on my TV screen - I don't immediately change stations.

When Trump and Clinton come on though, I can't change the channel fast enough.

Clinton is as charismatic as a dried up dog turd, yet she demolished Trump in the popular vote by 3,000,000 votes.

How bad does that make Trump?

That's my point - you keep saying that Trump is charismatic and well liked, but all the evidence proves otherwise.

The evidence always proves otherwise, dear.

This is of course where aqua changes the topic and says "Well, Trump is the President and that's all that matters".
Just forget he ever mentioned popularity or charisma.

Are you saying that someone who wins an election is winning at by means other than their popularity and charisma Grin

I'm saying that Hillary is more popular than Trump.

There's undeniable proof of that.

You just refuse to accept it.

Trump supporters always refuse to accept the truth.

And I'm saying trump is more popular then warren Biden and sanders.

We'll see, after the election.

I suspect you will be wrong, once again.

As I've said (predicted) all along, Trump will win the electoral college (and thus remain POTUS) but I believe he will lose the popular vote (again) by at least 3,000,000 votes.

He's just not as popular with average Americans as you think he is, and that's clearly shown in all polls, and of course, the results of the 2016 election.

So after 4 years of getting to know him, you think he won't have lost a single supporter.
That's an astonishing achievement by the big fella

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Reply #440 - Jan 21^st, 2020 at 1:33pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 1:17pm:

And I'm saying trump is more popular then warren Biden and sanders.

Trump haters always refuse to accept the truth

Actually, it's you who always refuses to accept the truth.

I just checked out the polls.

- Trump vs Biden: Biden 48.2%, Trump 44.2%

- Trump vs Warren: Warren 46.2%, Trump 45.8%

- Trump vs Sanders: Sanders 48%, Trump 45%

That's three strikes - you're out!

As usual though, you won't accept the facts.

You'll change the subject and try to squirm your way out of the corner you've painted yourself into.

One day, you might get something right about Trump, but today isn't that day my friend.

Wink

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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #441 - Jan 21^st, 2020 at 1:35pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 1:33pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 1:17pm:

And I'm saying trump is more popular then warren Biden and sanders.

Trump haters always refuse to accept the truth

Actually, it's you who always refuses to accept the truth.

I just checked out the polls.

- Trump vs Biden: Biden 48.2%, Trump 44.2%

- Trump vs Warren: Warren 46.2%, Trump 45.8%

- Trump vs Sanders: Sanders 48%, Trump 45%

That's three strikes - you're out!

As usual though, you won't accept the facts.

You'll change the subject and try to squirm you're way out of the corner you've painted yourself into.

One day, you might get something right about Trump, but today isn't that day my friend.

Wink

Yeah those polls were very reliable in 2016 Roll Eyes

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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #442 - Jan 21^st, 2020 at 1:39pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 1:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 1:33pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 1:17pm:

And I'm saying trump is more popular then warren Biden and sanders.

Trump haters always refuse to accept the truth

Actually, it's you who always refuses to accept the truth.

I just checked out the polls.

- Trump vs Biden: Biden 48.2%, Trump 44.2%

- Trump vs Warren: Warren 46.2%, Trump 45.8%

- Trump vs Sanders: Sanders 48%, Trump 45%

That's three strikes - you're out!

As usual though, you won't accept the facts.

You'll change the subject and try to squirm your way out of the corner you've painted yourself into.

One day, you might get something right about Trump, but today isn't that day my friend.

Wink

Yeah those polls were very reliable in 2016 Roll Eyes

Yes, they were.

Clinton received more votes than Trump, as predicted by the polls.

The polls showed: Clinton 46.8%, Trump 43.6%

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36725 Gender:	Re: Senate Impeachment Trial Reply #443 - Jan 21^st, 2020 at 1:44pm 43.6 % That is extraordinary. The greens party never get above about 11% and trump gets the support of 43 % . A rich playboy billionaire persuaded millions of people to support him An extraordinary feat. Well worth studying
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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #444 - Jan 21^st, 2020 at 1:49pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 1:44pm:

43.6 %

That is extraordinary.

That was the prediction.

The final outcome was actually higher - 46.1%

However, Clinton's actual figure was also higher - 48.2%

Bottom line: the polls were correct in showing that Trump would be less popular than Clinton so there's no reason to believe that they're wrong now when they say he is less popular than Sanders, Biden, and Warren.

No matter how you look at it, or how you try to twist numbers, Trump isn't as popular as Clinton, Biden, Sanders or Warren.

The popularity bullshit you spin is just that - bullshit.

And as long as you continue to spin it, I'll continue to prove you wrong.

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Reply #445 - Jan 21^st, 2020 at 2:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 11:23am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 11:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:19am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:06am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 9:39am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 7:28am:

But trump is charismatic and entertaining

Surely Hillary is more charismatic though.

How else do you explain the absolute thumping he received in the popular poll?

(For the record, I think both of them are totally devoid of charisma).

Oh definitely this could be the case
Hilary might be the super bowl in terms of ratings
Trump might be the Wimbledon final

But let's face it Elizabeth Warren and Joe biden
In terms of being a ratings success
They are more like the Parramatta under 13 soccer team
Being broadcast at 2 a.m. on SBS

That's a subjective point of view.

I don't find any of the people mentioned charismatic.

Not one of them.

However, I can tolerate seeing Biden or Warren on my TV screen - I don't immediately change stations.

When Trump and Clinton come on though, I can't change the channel fast enough.

Clinton is as charismatic as a dried up dog turd, yet she demolished Trump in the popular vote by 3,000,000 votes.

How bad does that make Trump?

That's my point - you keep saying that Trump is charismatic and well liked, but all the evidence proves otherwise.

The evidence always proves otherwise, dear.

This is of course where aqua changes the topic and says "Well, Trump is the President and that's all that matters".
Just forget he ever mentioned popularity or charisma.

Are you saying that someone who wins an election is winning at by means other than their popularity and charisma Grin

I'm saying that Hillary is more popular than Trump.

There's undeniable proof of that.

You just refuse to accept it.

Trump supporters always refuse to accept the truth.

You really come out with some classics!

Hillary is a thoroughly discredited figure in the US. Her last speaking tour had to be cancelled for lack of interest.

Meanwhile Trump rally's fill venues with tens of thousands and thousands outside!

In addition because of Wikileaks we know that Hillary stole the nomination from Bernie - maybe she shouldn't have been the final Democrat nominee!

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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #446 - Jan 21^st, 2020 at 2:16pm

Richdude wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 2:03pm:

You really come out with some classics!

Hillary is a thoroughly discredited figure in the US. Her last speaking tour had to be cancelled for lack of interest. Grin

DO TELL

Meanwhile Trump rally's fill venues with tens of thousands and thousands outside!

In addition because of Wikileaks we know that Hillary stole the nomination from Bernie - maybe she shouldn't have been the final Democrat nominee!

DO TELL

did she enlist the Russians????

just askin

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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #447 - Jan 21^st, 2020 at 2:17pm

Richdude wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 2:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 11:23am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 11:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:19am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:06am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 10:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 9:39am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 7:28am:

But trump is charismatic and entertaining

Surely Hillary is more charismatic though.

How else do you explain the absolute thumping he received in the popular poll?

(For the record, I think both of them are totally devoid of charisma).

Oh definitely this could be the case
Hilary might be the super bowl in terms of ratings
Trump might be the Wimbledon final

But let's face it Elizabeth Warren and Joe biden
In terms of being a ratings success
They are more like the Parramatta under 13 soccer team
Being broadcast at 2 a.m. on SBS

That's a subjective point of view.

I don't find any of the people mentioned charismatic.

Not one of them.

However, I can tolerate seeing Biden or Warren on my TV screen - I don't immediately change stations.

When Trump and Clinton come on though, I can't change the channel fast enough.

Clinton is as charismatic as a dried up dog turd, yet she demolished Trump in the popular vote by 3,000,000 votes.

How bad does that make Trump?

That's my point - you keep saying that Trump is charismatic and well liked, but all the evidence proves otherwise.

The evidence always proves otherwise, dear.

This is of course where aqua changes the topic and says "Well, Trump is the President and that's all that matters".
Just forget he ever mentioned popularity or charisma.

Are you saying that someone who wins an election is winning at by means other than their popularity and charisma Grin

I'm saying that Hillary is more popular than Trump.

There's undeniable proof of that.

You just refuse to accept it.

Trump supporters always refuse to accept the truth.

You really come out with some classics!

Hillary is a thoroughly discredited figure in the US. Her last speaking tour had to be cancelled for lack of interest.

Meanwhile Trump rally's fill venues with tens of thousands and thousands outside!

In addition because of Wikileaks we know that Hillary stole the nomination from Bernie - maybe she shouldn't have been the final Democrat nominee!

I'm no fan of Hillary, dear. Quite the opposite.

I'm merely stating the facts.

Clinton, Biden, Sanders, and Warren are all more popular than the alleged child rapist - Donald J Trump.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146283 Gender:	Re: Senate Impeachment Trial Reply #448 - Jan 21^st, 2020 at 2:25pm Donald Trump has the dubious distinction of being the only US president since Gallup began tracking presidential approval ratings in 1938 to have been permanently “under water” – he has never been viewed favorably by half or more of the American electorate.
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Reply #449 - Jan 21^st, 2020 at 2:32pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 1:44pm:

43.6 %

That is extraordinary.

The greens party never get above about 11% and trump gets the support of 43 % .

A rich playboy billionaire persuaded millions of people to support him
An extraordinary feat.
Well worth studying

Will you say that when Biden, Warren or Sanders win the popular vote, dear?

Imagine, a union man, an academic and a socialist persuaded millions of people to support them. More charismatic than Mr Trump, despite being like the Parramatta under 13 soccer team being broadcast at 2 a.m. on SBS.

An extraordinary feat.

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