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ProudKangaroo Gold Member Offline The Sandstorm is coming 🎵Doo doo doo doo🎵 Posts: 20984 Meeanjin (Brisbane)	Re: Senate Impeachment Trial Reply #405 - Jan 20^th, 2020 at 2:37pm Except Trump BROKE THE LAW.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146133 Gender:	Re: Senate Impeachment Trial Reply #406 - Jan 20^th, 2020 at 2:39pm
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Richdude Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8457 NC Gender:	Re: Senate Impeachment Trial Reply #407 - Jan 20^th, 2020 at 2:39pm There is no evidence! Apart from feelings, assumptions, he said that she said............ No facts! Just a hoax perpetrated by the Dems/media and shadow government. How do you feel supporting a fraud to take down a duly elected President? https://twitter.com/i/status/1197705138275856384
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146133 Gender:	Re: Senate Impeachment Trial Reply #408 - Jan 20^th, 2020 at 2:43pm
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Reply #409 - Jan 20^th, 2020 at 2:49pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 20^th, 2020 at 2:37pm:

Except Trump BROKE THE LAW.

Wrong!

The charges are "abuse of power" and "contempt of congress".

There is no proof that he did - none! All the players involved have stated no quid pro quo. And the latter charge is made up - Trump is head of the Executive branch - equal to congress.

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Schiff’s report is 100% empty when it comes to evidence

House Democrats are stampeding to impeach President Trump without evidence of any crime.

On Monday, Dems will make their case based on Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff’s impeachment report. It claims to present “stark evidence of misconduct.”

In reality, the report plays tricks to frame Trump and damage his re-electability, while bending over backward to inoculate Joe Biden from accusations of foreign scandal. This isn’t a fact-finding report. It’s a Democratic campaign plan. Democrats can’t undo 2016, but they are determined to rig 2020. Tellingly, it treats Biden as if he has already got the nomination.

Lacking a crime, Schiff resorts to obstruction-of-justice charges. But the report shows Schiff is the one hiding evidence, not Trump.

The impeachment focuses on Trump’s July 25 call asking Ukraine’s president for a favor: help Washington investigate Ukrainian tampering with the 2016 election and Biden’s role, as vice president, getting a prosecutor there fired while Hunter Biden was on the payroll of a company possibly under investigation.

Trump didn’t say military aid depended on investigations, but Democrats claim it did. Schiff’s report comes up with zero evidence.

His committee grilled 18 witnesses. Only one, Ambassador Gordon Sondland, had firsthand knowledge of whether Trump intended a quid pro quo for aid. Sondland said Trump was “crystal clear” that aid did not hinge on investigations. Schiff dismisses that as a “false exculpatory” claim, on Page 24.

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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #410 - Jan 20^th, 2020 at 2:56pm

Richdude wrote on Jan 20^th, 2020 at 2:49pm:

All the players involved have stated no quid pro quo.

“I know that members of this committee frequently frame these complicated issues in the form of a simple question:

"Was there a ‘quid pro quo’?” Sondland said.

“. . . With regard to the requested White House call and the White House meeting, the answer is yes.”

Grin

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Reply #411 - Jan 20^th, 2020 at 3:09pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 20^th, 2020 at 2:56pm:

Richdude wrote on Jan 20^th, 2020 at 2:49pm:

All the players involved have stated no quid pro quo.

“I know that members of this committee frequently frame these complicated issues in the form of a simple question:

"Was there a ‘quid pro quo’?” Sondland said.

“. . . With regard to the requested White House call and the White House meeting, the answer is yes.”

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That's not fair, Greggery. Mr Trump said no.

That's it, case closed.

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Reply #412 - Jan 20^th, 2020 at 3:17pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 6:56am:

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 6:37am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17^th, 2020 at 8:12pm:

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2020 at 10:06am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2020 at 9:03am:

Well here we are and all the Lights bull shite has proven false again.

Next week the impeachment papers will be sent to the senate.

McConnell having trashed his own integrity will never again be elected and may well continue with his sham trial, it could even be appealed at the high court.

The only real question is how many dishonest republican senators will McConnell take down with him.

they were given until the 12/Jan which isnt NEXT WEEK dna...

how many weeks is this now??????? gotta be a record I am thinking.....doesnt say much for the demos does it.......but of course blame the republicans....well who else is there????? Grin

Every day it was delayed more evidence came out and none in Trump's favour - none of it.

Still the best thing the republicans can do and the only way they can save their own reputations is to throw Trump under the bus.

In 3 years or 5 years or 10 years it will all come out and those who lie for Trump are going to be exposed as exactly how dishonest and corrupt that they are.

its all in public now.. so lets hop[e the REAL truth does come out...... we also know the democrats are not squeaky clean.... will you take on board all their lies and mischief as well dna... Roll Eyes

you do struggle with doing that.

Not one single one of the main direct witnesses who participated have given evidence and not one document has been released. The cover up has been extensive and efficient.

I would say that no more than 15% of the overall knowledge is out there.

And once again we have Russia involved in several different ways. Hacking Barisma, Financing Parnis and Juliani as well as donating to trumps campaign via Parnis.

of course you are suggesting only the Republicans would stoop to disappearing or fudging....

excuse me..

Grin

Trump might not be your usual POTUS... but Pelosi looks like a Bordello Madam.... all thats missing is her broomstick. personally I wouldnt put her in charge of the ladies restroom... you think trump is bad Roll Eyes

well shes the female version.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146133 Gender:	Re: Senate Impeachment Trial Reply #413 - Jan 20^th, 2020 at 4:10pm Never. Met. The guy.
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Reply #414 - Jan 20^th, 2020 at 4:21pm

cods wrote on Jan 20^th, 2020 at 3:17pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 6:56am:

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 6:37am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17^th, 2020 at 8:12pm:

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2020 at 10:06am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2020 at 9:03am:

Well here we are and all the Lights bull shite has proven false again.

Next week the impeachment papers will be sent to the senate.

McConnell having trashed his own integrity will never again be elected and may well continue with his sham trial, it could even be appealed at the high court.

The only real question is how many dishonest republican senators will McConnell take down with him.

they were given until the 12/Jan which isnt NEXT WEEK dna...

how many weeks is this now??????? gotta be a record I am thinking.....doesnt say much for the demos does it.......but of course blame the republicans....well who else is there????? Grin

Every day it was delayed more evidence came out and none in Trump's favour - none of it.

Still the best thing the republicans can do and the only way they can save their own reputations is to throw Trump under the bus.

In 3 years or 5 years or 10 years it will all come out and those who lie for Trump are going to be exposed as exactly how dishonest and corrupt that they are.

its all in public now.. so lets hop[e the REAL truth does come out...... we also know the democrats are not squeaky clean.... will you take on board all their lies and mischief as well dna... Roll Eyes

you do struggle with doing that.

Not one single one of the main direct witnesses who participated have given evidence and not one document has been released. The cover up has been extensive and efficient.

I would say that no more than 15% of the overall knowledge is out there.

And once again we have Russia involved in several different ways. Hacking Barisma, Financing Parnis and Juliani as well as donating to trumps campaign via Parnis.

of course you are suggesting only the Republicans would stoop to disappearing or fudging....

excuse me..

Grin

Trump might not be your usual POTUS... but Pelosi looks like a Bordello Madam.... all thats missing is her broomstick. personally I wouldnt put her in charge of the ladies restroom... you think trump is bad Roll Eyes

well shes the female version.

Oh, I know. Was it Pelosi's clothing choices you were complaining about recently? I believe you used the feminist argument that they disqualified her from being leadership material.

Do you think she should dress more like Hillary, dear?

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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #415 - Jan 20^th, 2020 at 6:01pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 20^th, 2020 at 4:21pm:

cods wrote on Jan 20^th, 2020 at 3:17pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 6:56am:

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 6:37am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17^th, 2020 at 8:12pm:

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2020 at 10:06am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2020 at 9:03am:

Well here we are and all the Lights bull shite has proven false again.

Next week the impeachment papers will be sent to the senate.

McConnell having trashed his own integrity will never again be elected and may well continue with his sham trial, it could even be appealed at the high court.

The only real question is how many dishonest republican senators will McConnell take down with him.

they were given until the 12/Jan which isnt NEXT WEEK dna...

how many weeks is this now??????? gotta be a record I am thinking.....doesnt say much for the demos does it.......but of course blame the republicans....well who else is there????? Grin

Every day it was delayed more evidence came out and none in Trump's favour - none of it.

Still the best thing the republicans can do and the only way they can save their own reputations is to throw Trump under the bus.

In 3 years or 5 years or 10 years it will all come out and those who lie for Trump are going to be exposed as exactly how dishonest and corrupt that they are.

its all in public now.. so lets hop[e the REAL truth does come out...... we also know the democrats are not squeaky clean.... will you take on board all their lies and mischief as well dna... Roll Eyes

you do struggle with doing that.

Not one single one of the main direct witnesses who participated have given evidence and not one document has been released. The cover up has been extensive and efficient.

I would say that no more than 15% of the overall knowledge is out there.

And once again we have Russia involved in several different ways. Hacking Barisma, Financing Parnis and Juliani as well as donating to trumps campaign via Parnis.

of course you are suggesting only the Republicans would stoop to disappearing or fudging....

excuse me..

Grin

Trump might not be your usual POTUS... but Pelosi looks like a Bordello Madam.... all thats missing is her broomstick. personally I wouldnt put her in charge of the ladies restroom... you think trump is bad Roll Eyes

well shes the female version.

Oh, I know. Was it Pelosi's clothing choices you were complaining about recently? I believe you used the feminist argument that they disqualified her from being leadership material.

Do you think she should dress more like Hillary, dear?

you have made one of your many mistakes petal...

I dont do memes or whatever they are called now....

I leave that for the simple minded....we have more than our share on here havent you noticed petal?

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Re: Senate Impeachment Trial
Reply #416 - Jan 20^th, 2020 at 6:22pm

Richdude wrote on Jan 20^th, 2020 at 2:39pm:

There is no evidence!

Apart from feelings, assumptions, he said that she said............ No facts! Just a hoax perpetrated by the Dems/media and shadow government.

Just because you keep ignoring it does not mean it doesn't exist.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 7:30am:

As we know, the Government Accountability Office released their findings confirming that Trump did, in fact, break the law around his dealings with Ukraine,

The White House’s Office of Management and Budget violated the law when it withheld nearly $400 million this past summer for "a policy reason" even though the funds had been allocated by Congress.

The decision to freeze the aid was directed by the president himself, and during the House impeachment inquiry, administration officials testified that they had raised concerns about its legality but it fell on deaf ears.

"Faithful execution of the law does not permit the president to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law,"

"The withholding was not a programmatic delay."

The law at issue, the Impoundment Control Act, was enacted in 1974 over the veto of President Richard M. Nixon. It limits a president’s power to withhold money that has been allocated by Congress, requiring approval from the legislative branch to do so.

Trump sought no approval and was granted no approval.

As for the GAO:

The accountability office is an independent, nonpartisan agency that works for Congress. It conducts audits of federal spending, issues legal decisions on questions about federal contracts and budget matters and examines if federal agencies are complying with other legal requirements imposed on them by Congress.

Richdude wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 2:51pm:

Trump broke no law - either civil or criminal. There is no "high crime or misdemeanor".

NONE!

That's all you seem to do recently, ignore posts you can't deal with.

The above isn't the only one from that thread alone.

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Reply #417 - Jan 20^th, 2020 at 6:36pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 20^th, 2020 at 3:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 20^th, 2020 at 2:56pm:

Richdude wrote on Jan 20^th, 2020 at 2:49pm:

All the players involved have stated no quid pro quo.

“I know that members of this committee frequently frame these complicated issues in the form of a simple question:

"Was there a ‘quid pro quo’?” Sondland said.

“. . . With regard to the requested White House call and the White House meeting, the answer is yes.”

Grin

That's not fair, Greggery. Mr Trump said no.

That's it, case closed.

Yes but it was so funny, Trump came out screaming no Quid Pro Quo before anyone asked him anything in fact even before he knew what a quid pro quo was. It was so obvious that someone wound him up a put the words in his mouth.

And just to put the icing on the cake his No QPQ tizzy came just after he had been secretly briefed on the whistleblower report.

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Reply #418 - Jan 20^th, 2020 at 6:48pm

Richdude wrote on Jan 20^th, 2020 at 2:49pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 20^th, 2020 at 2:37pm:

Except Trump BROKE THE LAW.

Wrong!

The charges are "abuse of power" and "contempt of congress".

There is no proof that he did - none! All the players involved have stated no quid pro quo. And the latter charge is made up - Trump is head of the Executive branch - equal to congress.

New York Post

Schiff’s report is 100% empty when it comes to evidence

House Democrats are stampeding to impeach President Trump without evidence of any crime.

On Monday, Dems will make their case based on Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff’s impeachment report. It claims to present “stark evidence of misconduct.”

In reality, the report plays tricks to frame Trump and damage his re-electability, while bending over backward to inoculate Joe Biden from accusations of foreign scandal. This isn’t a fact-finding report. It’s a Democratic campaign plan. Democrats can’t undo 2016, but they are determined to rig 2020. Tellingly, it treats Biden as if he has already got the nomination.

Lacking a crime, Schiff resorts to obstruction-of-justice charges. But the report shows Schiff is the one hiding evidence, not Trump.

The impeachment focuses on Trump’s July 25 call asking Ukraine’s president for a favor: help Washington investigate Ukrainian tampering with the 2016 election and Biden’s role, as vice president, getting a prosecutor there fired while Hunter Biden was on the payroll of a company possibly under investigation.

Trump didn’t say military aid depended on investigations, but Democrats claim it did. Schiff’s report comes up with zero evidence.

His committee grilled 18 witnesses. Only one, Ambassador Gordon Sondland, had firsthand knowledge of whether Trump intended a quid pro quo for aid. Sondland said Trump was “crystal clear” that aid did not hinge on investigations. Schiff dismisses that as a “false exculpatory” claim, on Page 24.

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Washington investigate Ukrainian tampering with the 2016 election

Nobody really believes the Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election that is purely a well known Russian disinformation story. The senate were all briefed on it by the intelligence community. This is know bullcarp.

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Biden’s role, as vice president, getting a prosecutor there fired while Hunter Biden was on the payroll of a company possibly under investigation.

This is also well known to have been done in conjunction with the state department and official US policy with the approval of many European countries. The Investigation into the owner of Barisma had been stagnant for about 2 years when this occurred. There had been no investigation in the time that Hunter Biden was employed by the company.

This garbage is out there because they have nothing real to use.

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Reply #419 - Jan 20^th, 2020 at 6:56pm

Richdude wrote on Jan 20^th, 2020 at 2:39pm:

There is no evidence!

Apart from feelings, assumptions, he said that she said............ No facts! Just a hoax perpetrated by the Dems/media and shadow government.

How do you feel supporting a fraud to take down a duly elected President?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1197705138275856384

You talk like you don't think he is guilty. He could let his people testify and release the documents that would prove it had that been the case.

I'll give you a clue - Trump can't do that.

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