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Reply #45 - Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:05am
 
Hey socko have you heard the latest news regarding the failed hydrogen experiment ?

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 8:45am:
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1983/03/30/A-tanker-truck-loaded-with-liquid-hydrog...
Tanker Filled With Liquid Hydrogen Catches Fire at El Cajon Business Park


PHOENIX, Ariz. -- A tanker truck loaded with liquid hydrogen caught fire Wednesday but a team led by a daring engineer facing extreme danger sealed the flaming leak and ended the threat of a huge fireball explosion to northwest Phoenix.
The truck driver and his assistant were the only ones injured. Residents, school children and business people over a 2-square-block area were evacuated during the 7 -hour crisis.

'I thought it was a sonic boom -- a giant sonic boom' said A.J. Pfeifer of Richardson's Carpet Shoppe about three blocks away. 'It rattled the building.'
A Fire Department spokesman, Steve Jensen, said a storage tank explosion could have sent a fireball roaring through business and residential districts of northwest Phoenix for a quarter-mile in all directions.
Fire crews were called away because of the danger and were powerless to stop the leak or the fire. They hosed down the fire until Predmore arrived, donned protective clothing and led an 11-man team to the burning truck.

This explosion that rattled Building 7 blocks away was just a bit of escaped hydrogen, the tanker didn't blow up,,, imagine the damage if the whole thing went up, probably just a crater.....
As you can see , Hydrogen is a very dangerous Liquid and considering how few Hydrogen stations there are and how many Explosions we really need to think about it as a fuel source.... Wink

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Reply #46 - Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:30am
 
Like I pointed out so correctly, as soon as the looney Greenies like Tweedledumb and Tweedledee smell HYDROGEN they go berserk.

Sometimes I amaze myself by how correct my predictions are.

These looney Greenies are just so impractical and so technically obtuse.
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Reply #47 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 11:47am
 
juliar wrote on Jul 3rd, 2019 at 11:30am:
Like I pointed out so correctly, as soon as the looney Greenies like Tweedledumb and Tweedledee smell HYDROGEN they go berserk.

Sometimes I amaze myself by how correct my predictions are.

These looney Greenies are just so impractical and so technically obtuse.


so where are they if your predictions are so correct ? Cheesy LOL
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Reply #48 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 8:25pm
 
Like I pointed out so correctly, as soon as the looney Greenies like Tweedledumb and Tweedledee smell HYDROGEN they go berserk.

Sometimes I amaze myself by how correct my predictions are.

These looney Greenies are just so impractical and so technically obtuse.

And the idiotic loony Greeny Tweedledumb continues to follow me around like a lost puppy because she idolizes the ground I walk on.
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Reply #49 - Jul 9th, 2019 at 11:21am
 
As all electric toy cars are a failure diesel and petrol will dominate until hydrogen takes over.

Massive research is occurring to complete the hydrogen technology.





Hydrogen: Fuel for Our Future?

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Hydrogen-powered cars like this one may be commonplace in the future.

On July 18, BP and GE announced plans to jointly develop up to 15 new hydrogen power plants for generating electricity over the coming decade. The hydrogen will be derived from fossil fuels, including coal and natural gas. While the plants will emit greenhouse gases, the companies will employ carbon capture technologies they claim will reduce carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions by 90 percent. Although the operations will not be pollution-free, some environmentalists welcome the companies’ investment in hydrogen technology as a key development in bringing about a hydrogen economy.

Though often mistaken for an energy source, hydrogen is actually an artificial fuel—like gasoline—that can be used to transport and store energy. Although it can be separated from fossil fuels, its long-term promise lies in its ability to be separated from water through electrolysis, using solar power or other forms of renewable energy. Its most publicized application is in transportation: the hydrogen gas is stored in an on-board tank until combined with oxygen in a fuel cell, where the electrolysis process is essentially reversed, releasing chemical energy via an electrical charge. This electricity can then be used to power electric motors in cars, buses, boats, and other vehicles.

In the short run, fuel cells are also considered a promising source of electricity for some industries and buildings, particularly those that require steady back-up power during blackouts. In this application, hydrogen is most often derived from natural gas and propane, which already have extensive distribution systems in place.

Using fossil fuels to generate hydrogen can result in modestly lower emissions of CO2 and other pollutants than using these fuels as conventional energy sources, though this depends on the efficiency of the technologies involved. In order to get larger reductions, the CO2 must be captured and sequestered, a process that remains experimental and expensive. However, when the hydrogen separation process is based on renewable energy sources, hydrogen use is essentially pollution-free, with the only byproducts being water and heat.

Since 1999, when Iceland announced its plan to become the first hydrogen-based economy in the next 30–40 years, governments and businesses have begun to seriously consider the hydrogen option. In 2000, the small South Pacific island of Vanuatu joined Iceland in making steps towards widespread hydrogen use and deriving 100 percent of its energy from renewable sources. Hawaii, another island rich in renewable resources such as geothermal and wind energy yet still heavily dependent on oil imports, invested in hydrogen research in 2001, hoping to eventually export hydrogen to other states and nations. And California, the United States’ largest gasoline consumer, began developing the world’s first “hydrogen highway” in 2004.


Despite initial enthusiasm, some of these regions are making greater progress than others. Freyr Sverrisson, an independent energy consultant from Iceland, says that so far the Icelandic government has taken little concrete action toward meeting its hydrogen target: it is home to only one hydrogen fueling station, and the country has invested significant funds in the aluminum smelting industry that could have been placed in hydrogen development. By generating a carbon dioxide byproduct, the smelting process is helping Iceland become the world’s fastest growing emitter of CO2. The government is “squandering an opportunity,” Sverrisson says, by choosing to invest in the quick returns of aluminum smelting instead of developing the hydrogen economy with longer-term benefits.

Yet according to Jon Bjorn Skulason, general manager of Icelandic New Energy, the country is just 6–12 months behind the original plan proposed in 1999. In addition to having three operational fuel cell buses and the one fuel cell filling station, Iceland has passed a preemptive law that will eliminate all taxes on hydrogen cars once they begin to be sold domestically. With over 90 percent of citizens in favor of developing a hydrogen economy and continued support for the project from the government and business, Skulason does not foresee any further delays.

California, meanwhile, already boasts 23 hydrogen fueling stations (14 more are slated to be built this year) and has put 137 hydrogen-powered passenger cars and 9 buses on the road, more than any region in the world, according to Chris White of the California Fuel Cell Partnership. Although the partnership is still operating in a “demonstration phase,” notes White, several of its members (many of which are automotive companies) expect to make hydrogen-powered commercial vehicles as early as 2010, and to have showroom cars by 2015. According to White, this is the same way hybrid-electric cars were introduced to the market in the 1990s.


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Reply #50 - Jul 9th, 2019 at 11:37am
 
The preparation for the hydrogen revolution is happening all over the world.

Here is an excellent update on world hydrogen advances.


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Hydrogen bus in London


A glimpse at a hydrogen future
Dennis Van Puyvelde 11 Apr 2019

Germany is clearly ahead of Australia in its hydrogen economy. The technologies to produce and use hydrogen have been developed, tested and are clearly working as expected.

Australia appears to have bilateral political support to develop the hydrogen opportunity, especially as it builds on our energy export industries.

While still a relatively new industry globally, there are lessons to be learned from countries like Germany and others who are ahead of us in the rush towards a hydrogen future.

I was fortunate to travel to Germany last month with a study group to observe what this hydrogen future might look like.

Read about the future here

https://www.energynetworks.com.au/news/energy-insider/glimpse-hydrogen-future
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Reply #51 - Jul 10th, 2019 at 1:22am
 

Tell us what hydrogen smells like. Having worked with it for years I can tell you ours is odorless, colorless and burns with a blue flame in the dark and invisible flame in daylight. Hydrogen contains no carbon, it is an element.
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Reply #52 - Jul 10th, 2019 at 8:28am
 
You are absolutely correct.

To use it as a general fuel hydrogen will have to have an odor added to it, a bit like LPG.

Where it is already being used such as London and Germany and California they must have solved this aspect already.

Hydrogen odorant. A hydrogen odorant in any form, is a minute amount of odorant such as ethyl isobutyrate, with a rotting-cabbage-like smell, that is added to the otherwise colorless and almost odorless hydrogen gas, so that leaks can be detected before a fire or explosion occurs.

What is put in natural gas to make it smell?
In its native state, natural gas is odorless, colorless and tasteless. Mercaptan, the harmless chemical that is added to natural gas, contains sulfur, which makes it smell. Many people describe the odor of mercaptan as similar to rotten eggs.
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Reply #53 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 12:51pm
 
While the ineffective unsuccessful all electric toy cars slip into the doldrums because no thinking person would touch one of these dangerous unsafe pollution spewing heaps the HYDROGEN BEHEMOTH rises huge on the horizon.


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Powerful cheap clean HYDROGEN POWER will soon be everywhere as the abandoned unsafe electric toy cars are stacked up in the junk yards.




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Reply #54 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 12:52pm
 
Hindengburg on tracks.
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Reply #55 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 1:30pm
 
BH is slipping into tired worn out fiction.

The Hindenburg fire was diesel fuel and inflammable cladding.

Oh Gosh now I have started him off on an endless circular deviation from the topic.

BH have you had your flu shot ? Or are you scared of getting autism ?
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Reply #56 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 1:36pm
 
juliar wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 1:30pm:
BH is slipping into tired worn out fiction.

The Hindenburg fire was diesel fuel and inflammable cladding.

Oh Gosh now I have started him off on an endless circular deviation from the topic.

BH have you had your flu shot ? Or are you scared of getting autism ?



Lol you mean the hydrogen on the Hindenburg didn't catch fire?
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Reply #57 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 1:38pm
 
And just looking at it, the most commonly accepted source of fuel was the hydrogen.

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The 2001 documentary Hindenburg Disaster: Probable Cause suggested that 16-year-old Bobby Rutan, who claimed that he had smelled "gasoline" when he was standing below the Hindenburg's aft port engine, had detected a diesel fuel leak. During the investigation, Commander Charles Rosendahl dismissed the boy's report. The day before the disaster, a fuel pump had broken during the flight, but the chief engineer testified that the pump had been replaced. The resulting vapor of a diesel leak, in addition to the engines being overheated, would have been highly flammable and could have self-combusted.

However, the documentary makes numerous mistakes into assuming that the fire began in the keel. First, it implies that the crewmen in the lower fin had seen the fire start in the keel and that Hans Freund and Helmut Lau looked towards the front of the airship to see the fire, when Freund was actually looking rearward when the fire started. Most witnesses on the ground reported seeing flames at the top of the ship, but the only location where a fuel leak could have a potential ignition source is the engines. Additionally, while investigators in the documentary suggest it is possible for a fire in the keel to go unnoticed until it breaks the top section, other investigators such as Greg Feith consider it unlikely because the only point diesel comes into contact with a hot surface is the engines.

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Reply #58 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 1:41pm
 
Now to cut short BH's deviation with some FACTS.




Hindenburg & Hydrogen
By Karl S. Kruszelnicki Published 26 February 2004

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One of the most famous images of the 20th Century was that of the giant German airship Hindenurg engulfed in flames. The explosion was blamed on hydrogen gas but Dr Karl reckons it can't be so...

Back in the middle 1930s, if you were wealthy enough to fly across the Atlantic Ocean, there were two choices - noisy, small and cramped aeroplanes, or quiet and spacious airships that got their lift from huge bladders filled with hydrogen gas. Back then, it was still an even bet as to which technology would win in the long run - the faster and noisy aeroplanes, or the slower and more relaxed Lighter-Than-Air airships.

The answer was settled in favour of the aeroplanes in 1937, when the enormous Nazi hydrogen-filled airship, the Hindenburg, slowly maneuvered in to dock at a 50-metre high mast at the Lakehurst Air Base, in New Jersey. This was its 21st crossing of the Atlantic Ocean. Suddenly, there was a spark on the Hindenberg, and then flames. Newsreel film crews captured the sudden disaster as the Hindenburg burst into enormous plumes of red-yellow flames, and collapsed to the ground. Over thirty of the 97 people on board died. The disaster was blamed on the extreme flammability of the hydrogen lifting gas that filled most of the airship.

This bad reputation of hydrogen still bothers car manufacturers today, as they explore the use of hydrogen as a safe, non-polluting alternative to fossil fuels for powering cars. But it turns out that the extreme flammability of hydrogen is a mythconception.

The Hindenburg was the largest aircraft ever to fly - longer than three football fields (about 250 metres long). It was powered by four enormous 1,200 HP V-16 Mercedes-Benz Diesel engines that spun 6-metre wooden propellers. It cruised at 125 kph (faster than ocean liners and trains), and when fully loaded with fuel, had a range of some 16,000 km. It was opulently and almost decadently luxurious - each of the 50 cabins had both a shower and a bath, as well as electric lights and a telephone. The clubroom had an aluminium piano. The public rooms were large and decorated in the style of luxury ship - and the windows could be opened. It might be a little slower than the aeroplanes of the day - but it was a lot more comfortable.

The Hindenburg was painted with silvery powdered aluminium, to better show off the giant Nazi swastikas on the tail section. When it flew over cities, the on-board loudspeakers broadcast Nazi propaganda announcements, and the crew dropped thousands of small Nazi flags for the school children below. This is not surprising, because the Nazi Minister of Propaganda funded the Hindenburg.

At that time, the US government controlled the only significant supplies of helium (a non-flammable lifting gas), and refused to supply it to the Nazi government. So the Hindenburg had to use flammable hydrogen.

As the Hindenburg came in to Lakehurst on May 6, 1937, there was a storm brewing, and so there was much static electricity in the air - which charged up the aircraft. When the crew dropped the mooring ropes down to the ground, the static electricity was earthed, which set off sparks on the Hindenburg.

The Hindenburg was covered with cotton fabric, that had to be waterproof. So it had been swabbed with cellulose acetate (which happened to be very inflammable) that was then covered with aluminium powder (which is used as rocket fuel to propel the Space Shuttle into orbit). Indeed, the aluminium powder was in tiny flakes, which made them very susceptible to sparking. It was inevitable that a charged atmosphere would ignite the flammable skin.

In all of this, the hydrogen was innocent. In the terrible disaster, the Hindenburg burnt with a red flame. But hydrogen burns with an almost invisible bluish flame. In the Hindenburg disaster, as soon as the hydrogen bladders were opened by the flames, the hydrogen inside would have escaped up and away from the burning airship - and it would not have not contributed to the ensuing fire. The hydrogen was totally innocent. In fact, in 1935, a helium-filled airship with an acetate-aluminium skin burned near Point Sur in California with equal ferocity. The Hindenberg disaster was not caused by the hydrogen.

The lesson is obvious - the next time you build an airship, don't paint the inflammable acetate skin with aluminium rocket fuel.


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Reply #59 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 1:44pm
 
Except it wasnt cellulose acetate, Dr Karl used the myth,


it was cellulose acetate butyrate, which is combustible.

Instead, the cellulose acetate butyrate (CAB) used to seal the zeppelin's skin is rated by the plastics industry as combustible but nonflammable. That is, it will burn if placed within a fire but is not readily ignited. It should also be noted that not all fabric on the Hindenburg burned.[52] For example, the fabric on the port and starboard tail fins was not completely consumed. That the fabric not near the hydrogen fire did not burn is not consistent with the "explosive" dope hypothesis.
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