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Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:37pm
 
Post your tales here.  I reckon the worm has turned.  Some people are using these Laws as a deliberate weapon quite strategically.
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Reply #1 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:44pm
 
Why not post yours, El Turdo marrón apestoso.
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Reply #2 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:59pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:44pm:
Why not post yours, El Turdo marrón apestoso.


Sorry to disappoint, I have none, other than those I know of professionally and what I have read since I retired.

I have a ripper of a professional tale, but I'll keep it in reserve for later.
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Cool thread, Turdo.
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Reply #4 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 3:13pm
 
Since 1992 - that's twenty seven years too late for reality-based comment on this insanity that has devoured men, women, children and families, let alone social structures, and has been encouraged and permitted to grow and grow with a never-ending 'upgrading' of 'definitions' of 'violence' - but only one way - until it no longer has any credibility - which it never had anyway ever, since it is a clear breach of the Rule of Law....

As I've said many times before - the current one-sided and frankly insane approach to this essential non-issue - non-issue because it does not address violence but only the claimed remote distant possibility of violence and in doing so is itself violence writ large against a selected segment of the community, a direct breach of human rights law, as well as a direct attack on legal and civil rights with the clear intent of establishing feminist/gynocratic control over society and all relationships within it - is not only creating, but is in fact, a gender war organised, promoted and encouraged by governments.

In this way, this approach is no better than some dark African neo-dictatorship that seeks to establish hegemony of one tribe over another...... (hello)...

As a result - the worms are turning - the incident in Glen Innes is just one... but there are countless undercurrents of retaliation that go on.... and will escalate until this stupidly organised non-issue is properly handled and resolved.

2019 - Year Of Decision!  Wait until the Labor Party - the party of the feminists - gets its hands on the controls, and the violence against men in this semi-declared war escalates once again.... then see what happens when these children seeking to endlessly push the boundaries of reality and of law are brought up sharply.

Feminists, like politicians and countless other self-interest groups, perpetually seek to extend and push the boundaries to suit themselves.... and it must and will be stopped some time soon - before it destroys this nation.
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Reply #5 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 11:34pm
 
I'll post one, seeing as it's such a touchy subject and so many seem too afraid to be honest nowadays.

This one was initially relayed to me by the mother of one of my daughters friends.
Her brother had been through a messy divorce with her now ex sister in law. During the process her brother was accused of sexual misconduct towards his 2 year old daughter and her mother. There were of course all the usual "it's a lie" type of responses and denial. The immediate temporary control measure to ensure the child's safety was for the authorities to temporarily rescind the fathers unsupervised access whilst the matter was investigated. For 6 months as the various lawyers argued and the matter was moved through various stages, the father had no access to his daughter without supervision and the daughter could obviously no longer stay with her dad. The child showed constant signs of distress during the process. After 6 months the authorities determined there was no case to answer and pre-allegation custody arrangements were re-enforced. Now here is the area many members of the public have no true understanding of. These decisions can be appealed numerous times, through various avenues. The allegations were repeated again and the decision appealed before the father even got one night with his daughter to feed her and put her into her own bed in his house as the daughter continually asked to be allowed to do (this I witnessed myself at a later date at our school)

Once again the authorities, bound by the necessity to ensure the child's safety rescinded the fathers access. The whole process was repeated, with numerous lawyers and experts involved before finally a second decision was handed down roughly 7 months later that found no case to answer. By now the daughter had become as aware as is possible at that age that her own mother was responsible for stopping her from seeing her dad. The daughter was showing further signs of early age depression. It had now been a year since she had been able to stay with her daddy. The daughter spent one night at her dads in her own bed at his place before another appeal was launched, this time through a different layer of the legal system. After a few weeks of legal arguments, lawyers, threats and once again family case worker involvement it was again determined that in the interests of ensuring the child's safety the fathers access would have to be rescinded again until a final determination. This new appeal carried on for a further 6 months of continual lawyer meetings,case work meetings, court dates etc before finally the truth come out via an email discovered between the mother and her father. It was all about money. Eventually a slip up happened as thankfully sometimes does in these cases and an email offer to the father to drop all the allegations was made in exchange for payment of $250,000.00!!! The father and daughter had now been separated for over 1 1/2 years.

I have at times been witness to some of this and met the daughter twice on visits to our school with her father and his sister (my daughters friends mother), each time during the one or two week periods between appeals. I was able to do a little digging to verify the goings on and of course had many discussions with the fathers sister over it all. At one point this pro feminist mother who I knew very well was crying in disbelief at how the system allowed women to completely destroy and lie with no hint of repercussion legally. It's amazing how so many people remain so ill informed or misinformed by a now degraded, unintelligent, agenda driven media and blind to realities until their own lives are affected. I reminded her she had a young son herself who could at any stage face the same type of actions in the future.

I have now changed schools and my daughter and this woman's daughter have drifted off in different directions meaning I don't have a current "status report" but not once during the process was there even a hint of suggestion or thought entertained by any authorities regarding what the mother involved may be actually doing, despite the continual protestations of the innocent. I'll warrant that in the interests of the child continuing to have the benefit of what the system prioritises unfairly over all other things (mother-child relationships), no charges are laid against the mother and nothing will happen to her. The father meanwhile has been completely destroyed and some may perhaps have the intelligence to imagine what was said about him in the community once accused.

The very fact that such things are even possible tell me the system is broken. This is not something happening outside or circumnavigating the system. This is actually using the system as it is currently constructed, to destroy a man. "The system seems structured to always believe the mother above and beyond the father, no matter what". This was quoted to me by the mother and sister mentioned above. It appears to be supported throughout family services by a seemingly indoctrinated, almost entirely female representation in every department. Humour yourself and do a quick search for family/divorce lawyers in your area, anywhere in Australia and count the male to female ratio. The entire system seems to now have become some kind of feminist, misandrist, refuge, legally set up by mostly short sighted, imbecilic excuses for intelligentsia, spat out by today's abhorrently lower standard universities.

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Reply #6 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 12:35am
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Post your tales here.  I reckon the worm has turned.  Some people are using these Laws as a deliberate weapon quite strategically.


They have for years. There was even many years ago(1980's) a bunch of cases that relied on false memories and leading questions by the inquisitors in S.Aust. I believe from memory the invention of the process was started in the UK. It's a long time ago so I don't remember the details but might be able to find something. It destroyed families, devastated men. If the worm is turning, it's not before time.
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Reply #7 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 6:23am
 
when it comes to the family court Women have most of the power...and many women abuse that power...

it sadly isnt news....As has been proved with many cases over the years  many fathers do and still do sexually abuse their children....it isnt made up..sorry to say its very much a fact of life..

and proving it isnt true,  can be long and arduous not forgetting COSTLY

like all laws or rules  there are always some who abuse them.. I agree there has to be penalties for lying to the courts when its discovered to be all lies...the father or parent accused wrongly should be compensated...

the only way to stop this on going problem   is to come down hard.......

if a father is proven guilty he does jail time.....

if hes proven innocent  he gets nothing.. Angry

goosescat  your post says it was a 2 yr old.....so did her mum have her examined did she put her through that without proof   where did her proof come from?.... too many questions by far...
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Reply #8 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 7:59am
 
Most in here and most out there could tell tales.  The reality is -- when you look at the system and before the system and how it's all gamed -- most humans are unfit to raise and possibly even to produce, children

Most dangers confronting and destroying children lie in the hands of adults

Imagine being young Isaac stretched out on the rock, his father holding him down, a knife in his hand.  Would Isaac ever again feel safe?  Safe within grasping distance of his father?  But who thinks of Isaac when they read or hear that story?  I've never seen anyone comment on the PTSD suffered by Isaac, his lifelong distrust and anxiety.  Because Isaac was just a kid, someone his father was prepared to slaughter.  People talk about Abraham's love of God, his willingness to give his all to his God and how that God, satisfied of Abraham's love and obedience, allowed Isaac to live

The endless rampant breeding is in obedience to Nature.  Nature demands we replace ourselves before we die.  And we're not special.  Rats, cockroaches, weeds and disease all breed more of themselves in obedience to the biological imperative

Sex is the hook.  Humans enjoy sex. Sex produces children. Children put a damper on humans' enjoyment of life.  Adult and child humans bicker and fight.  Adult fights result in separation and divorce.  Separation and divorce result in adult humans resorting to childlike behaviours and nastiness. Children are used as pawns and weapons. Human courts attempt to mediate in the intended interests of the child.  The most effective adult-fighter succeeds in perverting intended justice because the arbitrators of the system are themselves mere humans required to carry out rules within the system which were drafted by again, mere flawed humans.  It's all we have to offer

Sterilisation of the vast majority of humans would be a step in the right direction, imo. But of course those who profit financially from mass consumerism would not be in favour.  And they sway government policies

Childless individuals are said to be amongst the most and least happy.  Those most happy never attend family courts. They have vastly increased opportunities to travel, socialise, indulge in interests and hobbies, home ownership, etc.  Those least happy enjoy those same benefits but say they feel unfulfilled without offspring. As they do not have offspring, they're in the same position as an able bodied individual claiming to 'miss' the opportunity to wear prosthetic limbs

Children are a crutch.  They are the 'hobby' some people have because it's never occurred to them to do anything else with their life.  They reach adulthood and reproduce.  Some do a half-decent job of that, others make a mess of it.  They emerge in middle age or older and believe they've 'contributed'.  All many of them have actually done, in fact, is put their replacement on the ground before dying.  They've done nothing more intelligent or noble than has the dandelion.  But we don't concern ourselves with generation after the next of rats or dandelions.  Instead, we produce endless generations of cannon fodder, consumers and creatures who will mindlessly do the same as ourselves, i.e., produce the next generation before we die

It's past time for some serious discussion about our need to produce ever more of ourselves.  The chaos playing out in homes and family courts worldwide will only increase as long as anyone on this planet is left free to reproduce.  Children damaged in passage by adults and courts will, in many instances, go on to repeat the folly
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Reply #9 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 9:50am
 
cods wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 6:23am:
when it comes to the family court Women have most of the power...and many women abuse that power...

it sadly isnt news....As has been proved with many cases over the years  many fathers do and still do sexually abuse their children....it isnt made up..sorry to say its very much a fact of life..

and proving it isnt true,  can be long and arduous not forgetting COSTLY

like all laws or rules  there are always some who abuse them.. I agree there has to be penalties for lying to the courts when its discovered to be all lies...the father or parent accused wrongly should be compensated...

the only way to stop this on going problem   is to come down hard.......

if a father is proven guilty he does jail time.....

if hes proven innocent  he gets nothing.. Angry

goosescat  your post says it was a 2 yr old.....so did her mum have her examined did she put her through that without proof   where did her proof come from?.... too many questions by far...


"As has been proved with many
some cases often within clearly prescribed social groups
cases over the years  many fathers do and still do sexually abuse their children..."

Your flippant use of the word 'many' casts a false impression on this issue.

"if a father is proven guilty he does jail time.....

if hes proven innocent he gets nothing.. "
(but huge lawyer's bills) ....mum, on the other hand, gets it free, often through the domestic violence advocacy service - which ONLY funds women, not men - another abuse of legal and civil rights


Guilt or innocence proven by what standard?  The clear intent, as I pointed out in my submission to the 'nsw law reform commission' in 1992, of creating these (non/anti) laws to 'protect' women, was to attack the basic rule of law which required proof beyond any reasonable doubt, and steadily replace that standard with the lesser one of (alleged) 'balance of probabilities'. This is what has taken place in any proceedings involving a women accusing a man.  The 'judge/magistrate' REGARDLESS OF THE VALUE OF THE ALLEGATIONS AS PROVEN BY EVIDENCE still feels 'uneasy' about giving full innocence and will in most cases continue to place restrictions on the man, simply because there 'might' be something in it.

It's a perversion of our legal system and a direct attack on civil and legal rights, and while that approach has always pervaded our 'legal' system to the detriment of the accused, this nonsense  set of 'laws' has served to cement that abuse in place.  Anyone who cannot see the dire consequences for any society allegedly governed by the rule of law is blind.

Have to agree that sanctions must be in place to punish those who deliberately lie, and full costs to the accused must be covered along with compensation for distress.

Then the child/children should be compensated for that abuse as well.  Embarrassed

ADDS:-  For PZ - my two children, one boy, one girl, are replacement only.... wouldn't be without them and we are companions... both are at genius level and both have a solid work ethic and solid values in life......

I'd prefer that they continue as opposed to the loser groups, snobbish as that sounds... clearly some people should never be parents, but they will shag.....
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Reply #10 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 10:25am
 
grap I think I made it clear   a few things need to be done...

you seem to under estimate the damage done BY A FATHER when he molests his child....boy or girl...

not only that quite often the mother turns a blind eye.

so its a double edged sword for them....

who will pay the children compensation?????>.


not the tax payer surely  thats hardly justice  and thats what they need... REAL JUSTICE

nothing will give them back their childhood....

I too believe sterilising should be looked at....male and female  they do not deserve to be parents....they are monsters disguised as human..I find them totally unacceptable...
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Reply #11 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 10:30am
 
cods wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 10:25am:
grap I think I made it clear   a few things need to be done...

you seem to under estimate the damage done BY A FATHER when he molests his child....boy or girl...

not only that quite often the mother turns a blind eye.

so its a double edged sword for them....

who will pay the children compensation?????>.


not the tax payer surely  thats hardly justice  and thats what they need... REAL JUSTICE

nothing will give them back their childhood....

I too believe sterilising should be looked at....male and female  they do not deserve to be parents....they are monsters disguised as human..I find them totally unacceptable...


It was your use of the word 'many' that was misleading in the context of the discussion, since it indicated that MANY men did this kind of thing, when that is not the case ... it has nothing to do with any discussion of the impact on any children so abused, which was not the subject.  If anyone knows the impact on children of abuse and neglect - it is me..... you theoreticians don't count ...
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Reply #12 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 10:42am
 

It was your use of the word 'many



so you have more knowledge of what is happening behind closed doors right now??

what is your belief MANY means?...just a few /  not all that many/could be worse.....

just wondering grap...I cannot think of anythign worse than having your childhood ripped out of you by the very person who should be protecting you.....

every day there is an event somewhere where they are reminded of their past and what they had to deal with.....from as I say the person they should be turning too for protection..... Angry Angry

this has bloody everything to do with DOMESTIC VIOLENCE>.. and more..

if you were sexually abused as a child you have my deepest sympathy    I would never ever  put it in a box all by itself.....which appears to be what you are saying.....

which to my way of thinking is either blaming the child   or at least putting half the blame on them......

I find your argument   pretty shallow to be honest..
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Reply #13 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 11:01am
 
cods wrote on Feb 11th, 2019 at 10:42am:
It was your use of the word 'many



so you have more knowledge of what is happening behind closed doors right now??


what is your belief MANY means?...just a few /  not all that many/could be worse.....

just wondering grap...I cannot think of anythign worse than having your childhood ripped out of you by the very person who should be protecting you.....

every day there is an event somewhere where they are reminded of their past and what they had to deal with.....from as I say the person they should be turning too for protection..... Angry Angry

this has bloody everything to do with DOMESTIC VIOLENCE>.. and more..

if you were sexually abused as a child you have my deepest sympathy    I would never ever  put it in a box all by itself.....which appears to be what you are saying.....

which to my way of thinking is either blaming the child   or at least putting half the blame on them......

I find your argument   pretty shallow to be honest..


And you do?

Jesus, cods - just say that using 'many' was a mistake and gave a false impression... we know that some do... many don't... and most certainly most don't... just pointing out the false impression that can be given by careless use of words... and as a side note - how such misuse falls into the realm of propaganda and aids and abets falsehoods being purveyed as truth.

Your 'blaming the child' comment is utter nonsense.... nothing in what I posted even begins to suggest any such thing... you need to mix more with people who hold more than one side of questions.. leave that 'training' behind and get in touch with reality and stop sp0outing propaganda phrases and attempting shaming at every turn.

You could easily be mistaken for a feminist.... though I know your heart is in the right place - do try to get your mind to follow it...


I was not sexually abused as a child - my sisters were and I had no knowledge of it until later... and not by their father.... we were all neglected and the boys physically abused.
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Reply #14 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 11:36am
 
A friend of my niece was compelled to stay at her father's place on a set number of weekends.  Her parents were divorced. The father lived on an island close to Sydney city, which I mention simply as an explanation as to why the girl couldn't just leap on a bus home

Was told but can't remember the girl's age, but think it was between age 11 and 12

Her father sexually abused her to the extent of rape.  The girl confided in my niece who in turn told her own parents who didn't know what, if anything, they should try to do.  That the abused child would be forced to recount her experience to several within child protection services and court was obvious.  The mother would need to be informed.  And the father would most likely deny it.  End result would be further trauma for the child.  My in-laws did not want to become embroiled.  I would have done.  They chose not to -- their choice and a pretty common one, no doubt.  They moved interstate not long afterwards.  I have no idea what happened to that child as I wasn't told about it until much later

Female neighbour of several years was a nut-case, an alcoholic and very poor parent. People condemned her, others tried to help her (lost cause) and others attempted to get her husband involved (not interested, long distance truckie)

At the heart of the neighbour's problems was her incestuous father who had also, if she's to be believed (and her emotional rendition of the event was disturbing and persuasive) murdered her mother in the stockyards of a country town

That the neighbour needed help was obvious to even a casual observer, based on her behaviours.  She self medicated using alcohol.  She had an unhealthy and obvious, fascination with sex, all sorts of sex including bestiality.  She'd transferred this to her daughter at least who had a precocious interest in sex when even five and six. She became the local bike in her very early teens and an unwed mother by fifteen, after which she went on to have more illegitimate children

The neighbour's allegedly incestuous father invited himself to stay in her home.  She was repulsed by him but said she couldn't very well tell her father he was not welcome

A family I knew well was in chaos after one of the grandchildren, girl aged six, told her mother that her father's father (paternal grandfather) had been molesting her

It resulted in a family meeting. The grandfather had four children who each had several children, so up to a dozen children at risk

At first, the parents of the children were outraged with their father.  Outrage is good, but what were the repercussions for the entire family?  Two of the parents held government positions in Victorian country towns.  What would it cost them if the matter were reported to authorities?  Loss of job/career, loss of face and reputation, ongoing gossip within the community and surrounds, possible media reports, all the kids ostracised at school and elsewhere, on ongoing basis

Sympathy for the child, and outrage, swiftly subsided.  A solution was devised.  The grandmother and grandfather would retire & move, which they did, to coastal Queensland, far away.  Before taking up residence in their new town, the grandmother and grandfather went overseas for a few months

Two of their children, who were parents to grandchildren, moved up near their parents soon afterwards.  The father of the allegedly abused child left his wife and family and also moved up close to his parents' new home

The mother of the allegedly abused child was a weak, timid woman.  She soon remarried, providing her four children with a stepfather.  Few years later, her second marriage having been dissolved, she and three of her children ALSO moved to Queensland, as had her first husband and his parents, etc.

The allegedly abused child was effectively disowned.  Was ostracised by the entire extended family and described as a liar.  In a few years, that entire extended family were reunited in Queensland, leaving the abused girl behind in Victoria.  I do not know what became of her

The grandmother knew full well, as did her adult children, that her husband, the grandfather, was a dominant, conceited alcoholic.  The grandmother confided to me that he beat her up in her old age because he could not maintain an erection.  I once had a heated argument with him about censorship.  He exulted in society's increasing acceptance of various sexual perversions and permissiveness.  He was treated as if he were the ideal tv grandfather.  When he finally died, his children and grandchildren continued the deceit in glowing tributes to him.  His wife was hospitalised with a series of strokes prior to his death.  Clearly she had told her sons about her husband's physical abuse and preoccupation with sex into his 80s, because they apparently warned their father. All too late

So, merely three tales of destruction wrought by child sex abuse which becomes a generational issue according to researchers

Sex abuse makes poor parents of the victim.  How can a parent who was sexually abused as a child raise their own children with healthy attitudes to relationships, boundaries and sexuality? 

Sexual abuse claims more than the original victims

The escalating addiction to child-porn contributes to an already disturbing societal problem.  Child-porn is lucrative.  The children who are featured in child-porn are increasingly cited as being the pornographer's own children/stepchildren

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